And then we say why can’t the terrorists be defeated. Well, it is because the root cause of this evil is support by seemingly “liberal/mainstream” people like Imran Khan to madressahs like this which inculcate extremism among children. This madressah is which has produced many Taliban takfiri terrorists like Mullah Umar. Its graduates also were involved in Benazir’s killing.
Another shameful act by that demagogue.
Like many other issues, there is also a competition among Nawaz and Imran about who can foster more takfiri evil in the country.
My view is that Imran is ahead in this case.
ISLAMABAD: The Khyber Pakhtunkhwa government has made a drastic cut in the funds for minorities, allocating a whopping Rs300 million for the Darul Uloom Haqqania.
Provincial Information Minister Mushtaq Ghani…saying the Darul Uloom Haqqania had produced many scholars of note, thus it deserved such assistance.
Questions are being raised as to how a private organisation like the Darul Uloom Haqqania could be allocated an amount from the taxpayers’ money.
Key Taliban leaders Mullah Omer, Mullah Mansour and Jalaluddin Haqqani graduated from Darul Uloom Haqqania and so did Asim Umar, the head of al-Qaeda’s South Asia chapter.
In an interview with Geo News, Imran Khan said the funds and support will help the seminary students assimilate in our society, bring them in to the mainstream and keep them away from radicalization.
KPK govt funding Madrassa Haqqania aka University of Jihad
What are the priorities of the PTI govt in KPK? Millions of dollars for the madrassa where the plot to kill Benazir was hatched? The avowed nursery of Taliban? How many millions is this govt spending on Peshawar University?
Mein yehi soch rather tha k Khoji itney dinon se kahan ghayeb hain
IK ka chutkula jo nahin mil raha tha
Do you honestly think I care about him so much?
No.
Here is my thought process for posting it.
Recently there have been spates of incidences. Another high profile kidnapping, Amjad Sabri murder and then furtive on FarhanWaris' car. Ask pointing towards takfiri terrorism.
I was wondering how come we have these back to back instances even after a seemingly successful operation by rangers.
Clearly, this evil can not be eliminated by such operations alone. The only way is to nip the evil in the bud; that is, go after the source. The takfiri madressahs like lal masjid. I thought it may be difficult to close them down by force but at least their finances can be curtailed. So that they become less effective.
Then this news about PTI funding caught my eye. It was total opposite of what i thought should be done to stop this bigotry.
Hence this post. There is a direct correlation between the situation in the country and this post. Nothing to do with 'IK ka chutkula jo nahin mil raha tha'. Very condescending.
My concern is, always has been, elimination of terrorism in the country. I don't play politics on this issue.
Ok...so when the previous ANP+PPP led KPK govt funded the same madrassah, it was halal.
When ZAB creates the mujahideen/taliban nurseries in KPK, its halal.
When Benazir helps Fazlureham establish Taliban, it is halal.
When Shahbaz Sharif requests taliban not to attack punjab, its halal.
When PMLN calls Taliban their friends (same mindset), that is halal.
When the americans invite Taliban for negotiations...that is halal.
None of this was right. And none of this makes this instance right either.
We have discussed many of the instances you quoted above and condemned Shahbaz/Benazir etc.
Now we are discussing this particular incidence and one should condemn PTI's stance just like PMLN's or PPP's earlier.
But reality is that this PTI stance today is worse than earlier ones. Because today Taliban takfiri extremism is fully exposed. It is not like earlier times when majority was with likes of lal masjid and Sufi Muhammad.
Now Taliban's takfiri extremism is fully exposed. Darul Uloom Haqqania is fully exposed. And yet Imran still thinks he can bring this den of terrorists into "mainstream".
The only thing he will accomplish is to make extremism mainstream.
None of this was right. And none of this makes this instance right either.
We have discussed many of the instances you quoted above and condemned Shahbaz/Benazir etc.
Now we are discussing this particular incidence and one should condemn PTI's stance just like PMLN's or PPP's earlier.
But reality is that this PTI stance today is worse than earlier ones. Because today Taliban takfiri extremism is fully exposed. It is not like earlier times when majority was with likes of lal masjid and Sufi Muhammad.
Now Taliban's takfiri extremism is fully exposed. Darul Uloom Haqqania is fully exposed. And yet Imran still thinks he can bring this den of terrorists into "mainstream".
The only thing he will accomplish is to make extremism mainstream.
MQM was once a terrorist group from head to toe. After operations, elections, politicking, etc, a large chunk of MQM has been brought back into the mainstream life, away from terrorization, bhatta khori and target killing. So no reason why these impressionable madrassa kids cannot be dealt with similarly.
Ok...so when the previous ANP+PPP led KPK govt funded the same madrassah, it was halal.
When ZAB creates the mujahideen/taliban nurseries in KPK, its halal.
When Benazir helps Fazlureham establish Taliban, it is halal.
When Shahbaz Sharif requests taliban not to attack punjab, its halal.
When PMLN calls Taliban their friends (same mindset), that is halal.
When the americans invite Taliban for negotiations...that is halal.
It turns haram only when PTI steps in.
you are lying and destroying our history .
*ZAB didn't create any Mujahideen/Taliban .
IT was Benazir era , when a group of mujahideen were given the name of taliban but it was a game of our powerful establishment .
*
MQM was never a terrorist group or pro Taliban group like PTI
There were many wrongs in MQM but they remained anti-Taliban all the time .
PTI aiming to change the KPK in Talibanistan
MQM was once a terrorist group from head to toe. After operations, elections, politicking, etc, a large chunk of MQM has been brought back into the mainstream life, away from terrorization, bhatta khori and target killing. So no reason why these impressionable madrassa kids cannot be dealt with similarly.
MQM is still a terrorist group. It has not been brought to mainstream.
But whatever the case with MQM, there is a huge difference between MQM's worldly philosophy and takfiri religious philosophy.
Takfiris will burn themselves up because they believe in what they do. They will kill children, rape women, and behead innocent men; and won't feel any remorse at all. They will have all religious interpretations for all their actions. These beasts would be satisfied in their heart that they are doing the work of Allah.
MQM people may do all of the above (they have not) but even when they do it, they will know in their hearts that it is WRONG. That what they are doing in unjustifiable and criminal act.
It is sad that even after THIS much destruction Imran bots continue to believe in his fairy tales.
I consider such people indirectly responsible for Taliban's destruction of the country and killings of thousands of people in both Pakistan and Afghanistan.
There are different religious patterns in the society. You cannot force them to be liberal or irreligious. If you dont want to bring them to national circle why not give them separate land?
While talking to a madarsa teacher I asked him why dont you include worldly studies in curriculum. He replied dont have budget to hire teachers who can teach those subject. Then I asked why dont you cooperate with Govt, he replied we have asked Govt to help us include secular studies but govt says you will have to completely remove religious curriculum and take our regular schooling curriculum. So govt telling them my way or highway.
There are different religious patterns in the society. You cannot force them to be liberal or irreligious. If you dont want to bring them to national circle why not give them separate land?
While talking to a madarsa teacher I asked him why dont you include worldly studies in curriculum. He replied dont have budget to hire teachers who can teach those subject. Then I asked why dont you cooperate with Govt, he replied we have asked Govt to help us include secular studies but govt says you will have to completely remove religious curriculum and take our regular schooling curriculum. So govt telling them my way or highway.
No one is saying that people should stop being religious. Problem lies when certain group's religiosity could only be satisfied when everyone else disagreeing with their view-point ceases to exist. If their religiosity requires others to be disappeared/beheaded/submitted then such a group becomes a terrorist threat.
Separate land? Where should we give them separate land? Southern Punjab or Karachi or FATA or Peshawar or all of them?
Looks like you are confusing religious extremism with ethnicity.
Besides, even if they are given a land they will continue to terrorize others, trying to capture more land. Taliban did not stop at Kandahar. They continued their march towards Kabul and beyond. ISIL did not stop at Fallujah. They planned to take over Karbala/ Saudia and beyond.
In short, their aim is not just to practice their brand of violent shariah but also force others to do it. Anyone disagreeing having option to disappear.
Amazing that you believed that madressah teacher lying about not having budget to teach science. Darul Uloom Haqqania has Rs 300m in their pockets. Thanks to PTI. Will they teach science subjects?
And government asking to remove ALL religious subjects?! Now I am wondering if you are making it up, or are naive enough to believe in that BS.
Pakistan government does not have the audacity to ask to remove religious subjects from "madressah" because it is those subjects which make it a "madressah" in the first place.
They may not teach science but its govt job to make it mandatory if they are funding. If you think teacher was lying then let me know what you know regarding govt have approached madaras?
I know a madrasa in Lahore which have monthly expense of 0.7 million... they some how raise it and teach students whatever they want...
Govt approached them and asked them to revisit their syllabus as per modern sciences...but the madrasa guys thinks that moderm science is anti Islamic and therefore haram...although he didnt used the word haram...
only a few madaras have that money most are in remote areas and they go door to door for bread.
Specifically, only salfi madarasas get Saudi funding. Only a few madarasas like jamia ashrafia have money and teaching science subjects.
But how can govt be wrong because all the officials are angels and bent on working hard to make pakistan super power.
Do you honestly think I care about him so much?
No.
Here is my thought process for posting it.
Recently there have been spates of incidences. Another high profile kidnapping, Amjad Sabri murder and then furtive on FarhanWaris' car. Ask pointing towards takfiri terrorism.
I was wondering how come we have these back to back instances even after a seemingly successful operation by rangers.
Clearly, this evil can not be eliminated by such operations alone. The only way is to nip the evil in the bud; that is, go after the source. The takfiri madressahs like lal masjid. I thought it may be difficult to close them down by force but at least their finances can be curtailed. So that they become less effective.
Then this news about PTI funding caught my eye. It was total opposite of what i thought should be done to stop this bigotry.
Hence this post. There is a direct correlation between the situation in the country and this post. Nothing to do with 'IK ka chutkula jo nahin mil raha tha'. Very condescending.
My concern is, always has been, elimination of terrorism in the country. I don't play politics on this issue.
Chill Khoji
On IK's TTP stance I will always agree with you. We are on the same page