Prove to me that there is no Allah

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I raised this topic in an another thread. I just find it interesting when religious folks will selectively believe in science. Case in point: Bing Bang. Not that I doubt the big bang theory, but since it fits in with the existing belief system, it is easily accepted and quoted by religious folks.

So how about other scientific theories? Do you guys believe in evolution? that man and monkey shared a common ancestor? or just believe in big bang?

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bless you!!!!!!. Time was also created during that creation.

Now if you create some thing Are you part of it??? (unless its body painting)
So God created time...and queer asks "what was there before you, God"

there was no before and after!!!!!

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Then being a propagator of scienctific theories you shud accpet the argument. And each issue is separate, i think religious folks shud also accept atkeast the fact that scienctific evidence does not exist for some of their beleifs.

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iconoclast, i think atheists accept the fact that we dont have the answers to a LOT of questions, and may never have it. what atheists believe though is that any of the current God-explanations are a lot less satisfying logically than just saying "we dont know."

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That activity is the evidence that such an biochemical action does happen and I have explained the logic for the cause in my earlier post. You love someone beacuse there is always a reson to love. Although this is not a very fair comperison since proving you feel a certain type of emotion is different from proving an all intellegint being reponsible for the creation of universe and controlling every aspect of it.
Anyways I respect your belief system and understand your point that belief has nothing to do with science and logic.

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iconoclast, somewhere in this thread, i think it was TLK, said that universe came from nothing. And then we had some discussion over singualrity and if that means "nothing" or not.

Here's another way to think about this. How did the astro folks even imagine about the big bang theory? It started when I forgot what astronmer (maybe Hubble) found through redshift that galaxies are moving apart from each other at a rapid pace. Going backwards, logically then there must have been some point way way back when all the matter in these galaxies was clustered into what we call a "singularity". From that singularity, then we started the expansion into galaxies. So to say that big bang theory proves that universe came from "nothing" IMO is just not true.

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^ Thats where astronomers get baffled all the time. They go back to about a second before all this happened and then their minds go blank.

Here is where science and its proofs have limitations.

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ofcourse, who says that science has an asnwer to everything? but atleast claims made by science are backed up by evidence/logic unlike religion.

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So you agree that science falls short and can't give answers to where matters of higher beings are concerned right?

So we deduce that science 'proves' or it 'disproves'. Period.
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But a mere absence of scientific proof, for sure, does not mean denial of the existence of God. It just means that there is no scientific proof. **The lack of scientific proof is just showing us our limitations. Thats why its called "Al-ghaib". We will never have the knowledge that is 'hidden' from us.

After all science can only look at measurable, quantifiable parameters. Mass, weight, size(s) of several kinds, illumination, energy and many more. But Allah is transcendent. Beyond anything we can imagine - then how can some existence that's is beyond anything we can imagine be measured with our meager scientific knowledge?

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Animals love their kids (I am not sure if you can call it love but there is a natural bond). Humans can love but also can hate their kids. So the emotion is not part of their biological system that they have no control of. They have control on the emotions. Brain activity is cause by that emotions, emotions are not cause by that activity.

I admire you for keeping this conversation with in respectful bounds. Totally great. Thanks for that. Yes we all need to learn to agree to disagree.

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I think we are asking the wrong question here. What we should be asking ourselves is how does believing in God or not make people better than those who don't or do.

If it was up to me I would choose not to debate with an atheist in whether God exists, rather I would choose to compete with an atheist in doing altruistic works and then credit God for it.

And truly all Good comes from Him the Most Gracious and I am nothing but a mere morsel standing humbled in my useless attempts to be so before Him.

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Physicists are more careful with word Universe now and use "our universe" because there are theories about multiverses or an infinite chain of big bangs and big crunches.

Anywa, Theory of relativity tells us that time was created with the universe. Since we use time to traverse causality chains, this means the argument of first cause ends when time stops existing. i.e everything started with the big bang including time. There was nothing before time, there was nothing before big bang.

But If you want to still use causality and argue what caused the big bang then you need some other form of time dimension which is completely independent of our cosmos. Let's assume God lives in that new time dimension and he created this big bang and our universe. Unfortunately, the causality chain is still alive in the new time dimension and the natural question in is "What caused God in his time dimension". And so on and so forth you go.

At the end, you want to stop the causality chain and then only normal answer is either "I don't know and I don't care" or "It was something, some being". What answer you choose at that point is not a matter of intellect but of personal taste and choice.

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I wonder why even all of you have to answer these questions to those ppl who do not want to understand and learn anything .

If Quran a written book, Prophet Mohammed PBUH’s life as an practical example and all this wrold and all the things in this world that we see daily with our eyes, cannot give them the answers to their questions, do you think any one of you can explain it better ? I am sure no.

The thing is that if you are seeking for any answer, specially when it is related to religion, you do not come and create a thread like this and ask for the wider perspective (courtesy Yea boii’s post). coz such threads n others 100s prespective will make u only more confused and wont ever get you to a final conclusion. You are not looking for what majority says, you are looking for what the truth is. Coz in former case, accept that Allah exists, thats the answer you will get from 99% that come on GS.

The right way is , look for the answer urself , keep the question in mind n observe around you. sooner or later, you will find the answer urself. This is a fact, and thats how non-muslims have converted to Islam and thats how I got my answers to several questions. its all upto you if you are really serious to know the answer.Human is not easily satisfied creature. Until I donot convince myself, its very unlikely that a third person will tell me something and i will accept it without giving anu thougts. Though some ppl are really very impressive. The words coming out from their mouth feels like going thru you. But those are very rare.

for Yea Boi n others who has same questions, do watch this guy’'s video where he is telling how did he convert to Islam. Its one of the most interesting n impressive convert stories i have ever come across. Thiswill tell you what do i mean when i say look for the answer for urselves.

Coming to your question, i would say, its very easy to belive in something thats rite infront of you, n visible to naked eye. But when you believe in something thats not visible but still your belief is so strong that u can see it clearly with ur inner eyes, then thats the true belief. Just like when you have TRUST on someone, or when you know that someone Loves you, have feelings for you, even if she/he has not confessed it n kept it hidden. Its no belief to call a cup a cup… or a book a book. coz thats what everyone knows. even a small kid can tell u what that is. If that was called belief then everyone would belong to one religion. Then why would He have to send so many prophets and four books on earth?

A Muslim gains a distinct id coz of his belief in invisible but yet there. Thats what makes us different than all other religions n their followers and thats the mystery non-muslims could never solve that how do muslims do not care about their lives and die for Allah they havenot even seen. Subhan Allah thats the beauty of Islam which is the religion chosen for us by Him and we will be rewarded for this belief.

I can say so much on this topic but I wont. As I have already conveyed the main part from my self experience.

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I think we are asking the wrong question here. What we should be asking ourselves is how does believing in God or not make people better than those who don't or do.
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Sure, its a very popular way to argue for many famous theists. And I am all up for listening to you on this, please go ahead and make your point. My only requirement would be to present facts not your opinion or scripture or belief.
BTW

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I wonder why even all of you have to answer these questions to those ppl who do not want to understand and learn anything .
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Don't you feel it is arrogant of you to assume that those who don't agree with your opinion "don't want to understand and don't want to learnt anything".

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If Quran a written book, Prophet Mohammed PBUH's life as an practical example and all this wrold and all the things in this world that we see daily with our eyes, cannot give them the answers to their questions, do you think any one of you can explain it better ?
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Get off your high horse plz. Yes, maybe someone can explain it better here, why is it so surprising to you? The guy in your video, when he was looking for the truth and was confused, he did the same thing that people are doing here. We are bouncing ideas back and forth, raising questions and answering them. Maybe when you look around at all the things around you, it leads you to a belief in God. But please don't assume that others who don't see that connection are simply blinded by some materialistic motive or are misguided. Maybe, just maybe, they really read the Quran but were not attracted to its message.

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^ not may be they sure are blind. Why did you use May be word twice ?

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So far you have not come up with any plausible answer to the question posted or the argument at hand.

Who says atheists are not confused? What makes anyone so sure atheists are not confused?

They better be, for there is no confirmation by any means what they believe either. They just believe there is no God or supreme being, that's all!

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^ not may be they sure are blind.
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That's your opinion and I am glad I am not part of a clan who is blinded by its self righteousness.

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Why did you use May be word twice ?
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Its an expression .............

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^ u didnt get then what i said :smiley:

if u cant get a simple thing then… :hmmm: