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NaMaan 
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Paksitan Zindabad and Pakistani Paindabad 
I agree!
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[note]Quite a few posts here that veered off into a slightly different topic than the initial post indicated, so I made a new thread:
Gr8Heera bhai, I don't agree... sometimes when something is far from you, your love is greater. People who live in Pakistan often take it for granted.
n in times of need they are there to help their homeland...not like some expat who sits in the goad of an indian and sing the bhajan of peace to him while indians go on a hunting-spree.
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Hai hai, 
peace loving pakistani…jinko nazar nahe aata ke indians ki policy kia hai… ***
baghal mein churi, goad mein pakistani…moun mein ram ram.***
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OK, that was funny…
Jub jawab naheen bun pata na to buchchay aisay hi jawab detay hain.
Most religious person aren't you posting your voice in voice gallery. That is haram for a girl as many mens listen to your voice. Do you have any answer for this too. I'm sure not. As you are too religious.
Just curious, are you encouraging girls to be haram as you say?
From the Voice Gallery thread
Ppl submit your entery here to see who is best naat khuwaan of GS in girls and boys.
Who is the best of all. Ppl don't forget to choose whom you like and whom you like best.
and
All are invigted to post their tilawat and see who's tilawat is best in girls and who's tilawat is best in boys.
Start entering ppl.
Regardless of the subject matter, you are encouraging women to leave voice posts, which obviously gives men the opportunity to hear their voices, aren't you?
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I would never question any overseas born Pakistani's feelings for Pakistan or understanding of Islam. But anybody who thinks there can be all peace and harmony between India and Pakistan is delusional.
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Can we all agree on the following and close:
You cannot doubt a person's loyalty or affiliation to Pakistan depending on his/her current or previous country of residence. (In fact, remittances from expat Pakistanis has been a strong pillar of Pakistan's economy over the years).
There is nothing wrong in being friends with Indians as individuals.
If a person, in retaliation to Indian government's policies towards Pakistan, does something legally (e.g. boycotting Indian products), it is his/her personal choice and you should not be worried about it.
If we claim to be 'proud' of our country, we should strive for its betterment in whatever capacity we can.
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Fraudia, I don't know any of you personally. The comment was specifically the way this website is run. You and most of the owners of this website know my views and this discussions has happened at various times. But frankly the fact that this website has in the past what 8 years allowed comments that openly call for the disintegration of the country, killing of innocent Pakistanis and much much worse, is what I base my comments on.
Nationalism or being a Proud Pakistani is not about logic. If it is a logical decision, it isn't patriotism. The fact was that this website advertised itself as a Pakistani site yet openly held discussions on when and where Pakistan would disintegrate is repulsive to those of us who are patriotic.
Second paragraph - where do I get this? Real life experience with Americans. Making fun of the south or mockery is like mocking Pathans or making fun of Sikhs. It is a joke. However you ever see an American speak about how the country should disintegrate? Or rip into the basic foundations of the country? You see an American insult the founding fathers or make a mockery out of their sacrifice? I haven't. Yet I have seen all this on this very Proud Pakistani website.
Regarding the Govt of India. I am sorry but the common man does not define politics or government policy. A very small few elite do. You can easily see that with Bush's re-election and the power of the people during the Vietnam war. How many presidents did that last? 3? Yeah that shows real power.
Regarding third generation Pakistanis and Indias, they are just that third generation. They are expats. They are more western than Pakistani. They have no clue what happens in reality save for the baised news sources they read.
Now hating India or Indians. The issue is not hate. But rather the very realistic notion based on real life and not class room ideals that Pakistan and India will not have peace. The fact that you don't live in Pakistan, have a very limited view point of what goes on in the subcontinent and get information from sources which are not local just compounds your inability to have a realistic assesment of the situation. Peace would be great in an ideal world. Reality is very different.
Chavy you may wish to do a search in the Pakistan Affairs forum regarding trade with India. It is a rather simple issue of trade creation and trade diversion. Most economists including Indian economists state that free trade in South Asia will destory Pakistan's, Bangladesh Sri Lanka etc. economies. There is no benefit for Pakistan. Rather its all for India. Feel free to do the search - I have posted all the economic data and papers in those threads.
Lastly one is not questioning the level of patriotism and nationalistic feelings you lot have. One is simply pointing out that some of you are expat-Pakistanis. Which is a fact. You can't change that. The second point is that you don't live in the country. Which is again a fact.
Thirdly you spend a few months out of a couple of years there and thus don't have a full grasp of the situation on the ground. That again is reality. I have already illustrated why being in a location and living there is far more important than school book ideals.
You can define yourself as Pakistanis. That is your choice. You can be proud of your heritage. Again your choice. But your ideas and notions of Pakistan are skewed and your opinions regarding Pakistan are based on ideals and theories and not on reality.
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^ CM - recognizing and discussing issues regarding Paksitan openly does not make this site non patriotic.
You mentioned killing innocent Pakistanis - that is really relative to who you consider to be innocent and not innocent.
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sigh Sure a thread calling for the destruction of Pakistan is a very valid discussion for expat-Pakistanis. Those of us who consider it our homeland and not a tourist resort think very differently.
Its good to know the innocence of women and children is now a discussion of "relativity".
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Hang on there, WHEN did this thread CALL for the destruction of Pakistan??????????????
The point of this thread was to help people see the that more war will lead to the death of innocent people and nothing else! If anything, its meant to add a different view on what could/could not help Pakistan.
MEN!
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All hot and bothered. sigh The threads i refer to were well before you joined. Think 2001/2002. Our Regal lords, deemed it acceptible to allow such discussions including one where someone posted a picture of a nuke hitting Mecca. Those were allowed to continue.
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Im sorry to hear that, its not right.
On a different note, you need a cold shower.
Can we all agree on the following and close:
You cannot doubt a person's loyalty or affiliation to Pakistan depending on his/her current or previous country of residence. (In fact, remittances from expat Pakistanis has been a strong pillar of Pakistan's economy over the years).
There is nothing wrong in being friends with Indians as individuals.
If a person, in retaliation to Indian government's policies towards Pakistan, does something legally (e.g. boycotting Indian products), it is his/her personal choice and you should not be worried about it.
If we claim to be 'proud' of our country, we should strive for its betterment in whatever capacity we can.
Agreed. Well said. :)