Protest in Afghanistan after Quran burning

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The US has failed in Afghanistan just like iraq where rumsfeild said it would take 6 months to setup a new government and deal with iraq great plan how did that one turn out?

In afghanistan your objectives was to control access to the riches of the central asian republics and prevent return of a caliphate as mentioned by the british general dannat in nato and commented on by US secretary of defence.

If you want to believe the pentagon soundbites that you spent several trillion dollars to go after some al qaida who no one ever seen in the flesh more fool you.

Only statement you got correct was that the afghan public have suffered and that predominantly from the US forces.

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Nope not at all. My statement was narrow-minded. Took the static view point of a situation and applied it across the board. You did the same. You judged the people who wanted him dead, the court system, the government and so much more. But yeah that is totally a different case. The point is simple. Morality and an open-mind goes out the window when it comes to Islam is a subject for discussion.

Offense would be taken if your view point mattered. I do not mean to insult you but I am a random schmuck over the internet and so are you. I hardly think any sane person gets angry on such matters.

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i'm not sure why you thought this post was an appropriate response to what i wrote. your reply seems better suited to the comments section on zaid hamid's facebook page.

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this fellow is a little better enlightened than sir seyed zaid jaman hamid ex muzahid afghanan afpak , 4th gen war ,cold start . abcd fgh. :D

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i think american are just checking or analysis the love of afghan mulsim for the quran and allah in these tuff situation. They misbehaved like illeterate and dont know how to treat or live the life properly. Pakistan goverment and people must too protest so that they learn how to burn the quran.

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Agree

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4 Days of continuous protest. Seems ISAF hasn't won hearts and minds at all.

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American advisors shot dead in Afghanistan during the Quran burning protest…

US - Feb 25, 2012 - 17:20 | Al Jazeera Blogs

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Shot dead inside their office inside the ministry of interior. That is just insane.

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Your view that the decade long American invasion of afghanistan was a success is more suited to the mickey mouse club, seeing as it is far removed from the real world.

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Sorry are nt these armies actually vioatign the rights of many Muslims and taking money from the Shaitan?

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Some one could turn around and say to you that the survival of pakistan Army lies in the hands of America, after all they give you so much......you forget whose side the Pak Army has been on and what sort of people it is led by.....

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I dont think this has to do anything with a culture war, its just a response to the irresponsible act by Americans forces who ‘didnt’ know which of their actions could hurt the sentiments of the people of Afghanistan.

Afghan anger over Koran burning an emblem of nation's culture war**

Afghan anger over Koran burning an emblem of nation’s culture war**

The unrest over burned Korans shows the visceral distaste for Western
behavior and values among many Afghans, but U.S. efforts to wind down the war
worry some.

**Afghan anger over Koran burning an emblem of nation’s culture war - latimes.com

****The unrest over burned Korans shows the visceral distaste for Western behavior and values among many Afghans, but U.S. efforts to wind down the war worry some.

By Laura King, Los Angeles Times

Reporting from Kabul, Afghanistan— The spasm of violence that has shaken the country since copies of the Koran were dumped in a trash incinerator at a U.S. military base is emblematic of a culture war among Afghans themselves, one that is likely to grow more intense as the Western military presence wanes.

Five days of chaotic street battles have left more than 30 people dead, including two U.S. military officers killed Saturday in a heavily guarded Afghan government ministry. The unrest over the desecration of the Muslim holy book illustrated not only the depth of religious fervor felt by many here, but also a visceral distaste for Western behavior and values among a far broader swath of Afghan **society.

**At the same time, however, the Obama administration’s efforts to kindle negotiations with the Taliban have generated deep-seated fear among progressive Afghans of a theocracy-in-waiting that could come to fruition when most North Atlantic Treaty Organization troops depart.
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Many worry that the United States and its military allies are so eager to find a way out of this war that they will give their blessing to an accord with the Taliban that does not adequately safeguard women’s rights or civil liberties.

“This is not just about relations with the U.S.,” researcher Martine van Bijlert wrote on the website of the Afghanistan Analysts Network in the first days of the Koran-burning protests. “This is part of a wider struggle over what kind of society Afghanistan is becoming, over who the custodians of religious power will be and what they will use it for.”

Kabul, the capital, and a few other big Afghan cities have a cosmopolitan veneer of shopping malls and smartphones and gel-spiked hairdos.

B**ut in a society steeped in conservative Islam, a decade of U.S. military engagement, coupled with a massive development drive that has brought thousands of foreign civilians to Afghanistan, has generated profound unease over outsiders’ behavior as a polluting influence.

The perceived insults are many: not only troops’ sometimes heavy-handed treatment of ordinary Afghans, or the video that surfaced last month of U.S. Marines urinating on the bodies of Taliban fighters, but also men and women consorting freely in heavily guarded international compounds, or the consumption of alcohol at restaurants with a mainly non-Afghan clientele.

**Moreover, as the conflict’s endgame begins in earnest, some Afghans regard public expressions of piety as a way of hedging one’s bets. This month, for example, the Information Ministry ordered female television newscasters to cover their hair and refrain from wearing heavy makeup on-air, a directive that was widely ignored, but nonetheless cast a chill.

Those killed and injured in nearly a week of violent clashes, which broke out after U.S. personnel placed copies of the Koran in the “burn pit” at the giant Bagram air base north of the capital Monday night, have included demonstrators, bystanders and Afghan police officers. In addition, two U.S. troops were shot dead Thursday by an Afghan soldier apparently acting in solidarity with the protesters.

Information on the killings of the two Americans on Saturday remained murky hours after the shooting. NATO’s International Security Assistance Force confirmed the deaths of two of its service members in Kabul, without disclosing their nationalities, although Afghan officials speaking on condition of anonymity identified the two as U.S. military officers who were advising the Interior Ministry.

A ministry spokesman, Sediq Siddiqi, said the officers’ bodies had been discovered in a command-and-control center used by foreign advisors, and that the assailant had apparently escaped. U.S. Marine Corps Gen. John R. Allen, the commander of Western troops in Afghanistan, vowed to “pursue all leads” to find the killer.

“The perpetrator of this attack is a coward whose actions will not go unanswered,” he said in a statement.

By week’s end, the Koran-burning riots had turned into one of the most sustained outbreaks of civil unrest in Afghanistan since the start of the war, despite an early and emphatic apology by Allen. Further expressions of regret, in the form of a letter from President Obama delivered Thursday, also did little to quell public passions, though he was pilloried for the apology by Republican rivals at home.

Fo**r some Afghans, particularly the better educated, the scenes of strife triggered conflicting emotions. Many believed that the protests were being deliberately exploited by a variety of players: the Taliban movement, neighboring countries — such as Iran and Pakistan — that generally rejoice at yet another American misstep, and various domestic political factions.

Still, the sense of bone-deep grievance, expressed in furious cries of “Death to America!” that echoed at the scene of virtually every protest, resonated even among those who would never consider taking to the streets with sticks and stones in a rallying cry for Islam.

**“I was personally offended by what happened,” said Hamed Saboori, a college-educated 30-year-old who described himself as a moderate Muslim. “But there are elements that want to take advantage of this irresponsible act. The whole issue has been manipulated.”

Some imams, or mosque preachers, delivered fiery sermons that helped drive the protests, turning the week’s events into a broader complaint about the Western entanglement in Afghanistan.

“Burning the Koran at Bagram is an unforgivable crime and sin,” Inayatullah Baleegh thundered from the pulpit of a Kabul mosque Friday, the main prayer day of the Islamic week. “But the presence of infidels in a Muslim country is an even bigger sin.”

The Taliban, too, sought to portray a society that had fallen in thrall to the West.

"Under the sl**ogan of ‘freedom,’ new doors of corruption are being flung open every day," the movement said in a midweek statement, as the protests were gathering force. “Blind imitation of the Western infidels is being encouraged in our cities and villages; the veil of modesty and dignity is being lifted from our women under the slogan of ‘women’s rights.’ … All these things are brought to us by the accursed Western invasion, which is forcing itself upon us in the name of democracy.”
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Insurgents have previously used violent protests as cover for attacks on government buildings and NATO bases, both of which were targeted repeatedly over a period of days. As the days passed, more gunmen were spotted in the crowds, and some protesters waved the white flag of the Taliban.

Afghan President Hamid Karzai, accustomed to walking a fine line between his American patrons and popular sentiment, called for calm, but tempered that with expressions of sympathy for the protesters’ cause, urging police to exercise restraint and patience with “emotional” demonstrators.

Even if the protests show signs of ebbing, lasting damage may have been done to what the Americans regard as essential partnerships with the Afghan government and security forces.

After Saturday’s shooting deaths of the two Americans at the Interior Ministry, Allen recalled all Western military personnel working in ministries “for obvious force-protection reasons,” a serious blow after years of American efforts to make the ministries more efficient and less corrupt. And the general himself traveled Thursday to the base in Nangarhar province where the two American troops were shot and killed by a member of the Afghan army, urging
his troops to stifle any impulse to take revenge.

“Everything that happened this week makes it harder for anyone to trust anyone,” said Zeinab Khuttab, a university student in Kabul. “And that was probably the intention behind it all, to drive everyone further apart.”

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Killing people in response to burning a book, I have more respect for dogs.

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Exactly what the Afghans think about Americans. And if you didn't know, Afghans kill dogs they hate them that much.

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Lol, and I think the Americans have never killed human beings (hero shima, naga saki, Vietnam, iraq and Afghanistan) to protect their national interests. Americans the biggest champions of human rights!

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And this is much different from killing people in response to non-existent threats? WMD, 45 minute strikes? Terrorists all over the world? Ideologies that are seen as a danger?

America kills a lot more people based soley on the fact that they live by a different belief system... Remember how many Communist or Socialist sympathisers were rounded up and slaughtered? Remember how many people have been put to death in America simply for being a different colour or race?

Hmmm talk about double standards.

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Protest over the burning of the Koran isn't an accurate gauge of whether or not the US has won hearts or minds. The Afghans, or indeed any Muslim, would protest ANYONE accused of something like this, regardless of whether they are Americans, other Muslims or their own mothers. When it comes to religious sentiment, especially among many Muslims, religion trumps all.

However, that being said, no I dont think Americans have won anyone heart or mind. Even Karzai is often on the fence with NATO. The reason for that conclusion is entirly seperate from the issue of koran burning protests.

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7 US soldiers wounded today from Grenade Attacks by Crowds...

If this continues, American Soldiers will indeed leave.

Then. Civil War.

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Oh wait, is this the exit strategy by americans?