re: Protest in Afghanistan after Quran burning
No no this is freedom of speech US style. Where you can burn the Quran, insult the Prophet and its all good 
The entire country has been shut down since this happened for all International actors. If I lose more friends because of American stupidity I might just give up on considering NATO an ally of the Afghan people.
re: Protest in Afghanistan after Quran burning
^ Come on, you know not every American thinks like this. On the other side, people like rommel are just as bad. I'm in favour of putting down warmongers on both sides, American or Muslim.
re: Protest in Afghanistan after Quran burning
Tell that to the families of my dead colleagues. All I know is that I lost colleagues because an American insulted Islam. You should be used to that logical reasoning since you live in the states.
re: Protest in Afghanistan after Quran burning
You mean in the Afghan riots following that pastor's koran burning?
Keep in mind that in the United States, you have complete freedom of expression. This has its benefits. For example, in the US you are never prosecuted by the government for the views you hold. I can freely say whatever I want against my government without being afraid. This also means that a very small insane minority can say or express whatever they want, including desecrating the Koran.
It's unfair to blame the United States as a whole for one man's action, CM.
re: Protest in Afghanistan after Quran burning
everything american is great and we should not criticize them..............:D
"jidhar dum udhar hum"
re: Protest in Afghanistan after Quran burning
You mean in the Afghan riots following that pastor's koran burning?
Keep in mind that in the United States, you have complete freedom of expression. This has its benefits. For example, in the US you are never prosecuted by the government for the views you hold. I can freely say whatever I want against my government without being afraid. This also means that a very small insane minority can say or express whatever they want, including desecrating the Koran.
It's unfair to blame the United States as a whole for one man's action, CM.
Same way its unfair to blame an entire nation, race and religion for the actions of one person or a group of people. Yet US government officials, politicians etc do it all the time.
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That's true but two wrongs don't make a right.
Keep in mind though that what politicians say does not reflect what is actually going on the ground.
The US has never waged a war against muslims. That is utter BS.
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Yet you are making excuses only for one wrong. :)
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It is funny how some still support/try to justify US/NATO actions.
These are not just incidents , Kuffar tried to check the depth of water, muslims being a jazbati qoum will make few protests then will sleep again. Just like we have forgotten so many incidents from Afia/Quran burning in guantanamo/Sallala Checkpost/Raymond davis and the list goes on.Do you see any response from *Oh i See .*Not untill they are allowed to issue any statement by their masters.
Only one stake holder in this whole Kuffar/muslim issue a.k.a crusades is worth listening, the group who have not backed from their promises, who have not made false claims and who still have not changed their stance after decade long war. May ALLAH accept the mujahideen all over the world.
*Al Qaul Qaul e swarim
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re: Protest in Afghanistan after Quran burning
Well the excuse for the politicians is that when have politicians not done this sort of thing?
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10 years and $3 trillion dollars later what have you achived come on tell us?
you tell me what hasn't been achieved? then we will examine those unachieved goals.
to answer your question, the US....
what else do you want? every core US objective has been achieved in full.
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all you control in afghanistan is 1 hut and a ditch?
the people you call terrroist who you will never negotiate or talk with ever!!!! you now begging them to attend conferences so you can leave with an ounce of dignity.
your definition and attempt to salvage amercain credibility has failed, with all that fire power you came with shock and awe in 2001 you bombed everything from man women and child you did not even spare the animals and now look at you leaving with a whimper humiliated by a nation who nobody helped including so called islamic countries of saudi arabia, turkey UAE.
one more thing since your are non muslim, victory for muslim is two options, either gaining victory or dying a martyr in the process so its win which ever happens.
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why are you talking of controlling afghanistan? that is an irrelevant goal.
maybe you should go even further and add "all taliban must voluntarily get a tattoo of the US flag" to your definition of victory for the US.
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The US does not want control of Afghanistan. It just doesn't want it to be a safe haven for people who target the US.
BTW, the Taliban take enormous casualties. The US takes far fewer casualties because it actually cares about the lives of its troops unlike the Taliban puppet leaders.
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The US has never waged a war against muslims. That is utter BS.
US has military bases in Turkey, Saudi, Kuwait, Bahrain, pakistan, Afghanistan, Iran, uzbekistan, oman, qatar, Kyrgystan to name a few of them.
How many muslim military bases in United States?
US is war with islam and the muslim world fact!
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BTW, the Taliban take enormous casualties. The US takes far fewer casualties because it actually cares about the lives of its troops unlike the Taliban puppet leaders.
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To this sort of notion I can only quote what I know as millitary and historical facts. US general Summers and his Vietnamese Counterpart Commander Tu has a discussion with the same effect.
General Summers "You do know that you never really defeated us on the battlefield*?"
Commander Tu " That may be true but it is also irrelavant"
With regards to Afghanistan perhaps the Taliban have indeed sufffered horrendous casualties but there is a now famous cockpit video and full acount of the batte of "four man down" in Helmand. Where two British Apache Longbow helicopters that are superior to the US Apache on account of thier Rolls Royce engines and better equipment upgrades spent thier entire payloads on one taliban postion only to find that the enmy was still coming at them.
This is a war that cannot be won on the battle field, only by diplomacy can such wars end.
Now with refference to the Koran burning its obvious provocation from a increasingly desperate Nato who's troops actions are hardly much different to thier enemies. When you consider the American troops are supposedly diciplined and educated one wonders how they differ from the Taliban in brutality and stupidity. AQs if the Marines pee parade was not enough proof here we see yet more acts of war crimes.
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you tell me what hasn't been achieved? then we will examine those unachieved goals.
to answer your question, the US....
what else do you want? every core US objective has been achieved in full.
why are you talking of controlling afghanistan? that is an irrelevant goal.
maybe you should go even further and add "all taliban must voluntarily get a tattoo of the US flag" to your definition of victory for the US.
you cannot deny 10 years on you begging the people you never negotiate with to conferences what humiliation and humbling of the American raj this must be for you.
according to "you" US have removed the afghans and taliban overnight?
So in United states fighting for 10 years and counting and getting nowhere is considered removing your enemy overnight? your comical analysis is funniest thing i have read.
Who have you kept in or out of power? you have no say in afghanistan don't you get it karzai cannot even move outside his house wake up you fool this is the real world not hollywood.
al qaida is product of CIA created in 1980's from their own mouths, I can only comment on the reality of what we see here not what your pentagon or media hype tell us. Reality is your military with a yearly budget of $708 billion cannot sleep safely, mujahideen and locals giving them sleepless nights one hilarious example even when US training so called afghan army they got snipers backing them up in case they get shot by people they train.
Your survival in afganistan is by dependent on 1 thing only "the pakistan army" without them you are ours if they turn you are sitting ducks!
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Well the excuse for the politicians is that when have politicians not done this sort of thing?
Yeah you do know that is what the same mentality JUI people use right? Welcome to your true self. And its not just not politicians. Its talk show hosts, radio DJs, religious leaders, community leaders, government officials and so many more.
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you cannot deny 10 years on you begging the people you never negotiate with to conferences what humiliation and humbling of the American raj this must be for you.
according to "you" US have removed the afghans and taliban overnight?
So in United states fighting for 10 years and counting and getting nowhere is considered removing your enemy overnight? your comical analysis is funniest thing i have read.
Who have you kept in or out of power? you have no say in afghanistan don't you get it karzai cannot even move outside his house wake up you fool this is the real world not hollywood.
al qaida is product of CIA created in 1980's from their own mouths, I can only comment on the reality of what we see here not what your pentagon or media hype tell us. Reality is your military with a yearly budget of $708 billion cannot sleep safely, mujahideen and locals giving them sleepless nights one hilarious example even when US training so called afghan army they got snipers backing them up in case they get shot by people they train.
Your survival in afganistan is by dependent on 1 thing only "the pakistan army" without them you are ours if they turn you are sitting ducks!
just answer the question. which core objectives has the US not achieved in full? i listed the core objectives and each has been accomplished.
if karzai is in his house, not in house, in a ditch, etc....how does it matter? if taliban retake kabul, how will it make any difference to the US? it would only make a difference if afghanistan reverted to its policy of hosting terrorists. but we know they will not make that mistake twice. and we know the taliban has been severing its ties with al-qaeda for years.
bottom line is: if the afghan govt collapses and the taliban take the country back to the 7th century, the only loser is the afghan people. that's sad but it's not a US problem. all US problems have been addressed.
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Tell that to the families of my dead colleagues. All I know is that I lost colleagues because an American insulted Islam. You should be used to that logical reasoning since you live in the states.
Please don't make assumptions about me. I don't live in the States.
I'm sorry to hear about your colleagues but that doesn't excuse your characterization of all Americans as Quran burning lunatics. You're free to have your own views and opinions but this kind of characterization is something that is an obstacle to peace.
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Please don't make assumptions about me. I don't live in the States.
I'm sorry to hear about your colleagues but that doesn't excuse your characterization of all Americans as Quran burning lunatics. You're free to have your own views and opinions but this kind of characterization is something that is an obstacle to peace.
Odd isn't it that you did the same regarding Saudi Arabia. Pot calling the kettle black.
re: Protest in Afghanistan after Quran burning
Odd isn't it that you did the same regarding Saudi Arabia. Pot calling the kettle black.
Different situations. If you said that an Arab man is likely to be held in gitmo unfairly, without trial, I would agree with you. Just like I think a man insulting the prophet is likely to get killed in Saudi Arabia.
I don't think every person in Saudi Arabia agrees with the country's policies. I can see that you can't be rational about this so I won't reply on this topic again. Sorry if I offended you (regarding your friends).