I really like this idea of forecasting, Rainy:k: . And If you don’t mind I would like to add something because I think it is a wonderful idea.
What if participants have an option to forecast something for e.g the match result as Rainy suggested. Now the question here when do they have to forecase it. I would say before the start of the match. Because if we keep a timline for e.g. by the end of day 2, it won’t be fair, since matches and circumstances vary in each match. There could be a match where a team would be playing for the enitre 2 days to build a heavy first innings lead and than there could be a match where the bowling conditions are such that by the end of day 2 we would be seeing the 4th innings and as a result it will be much easier to forecast result in the second senario as compared to first.
Now another addition to this recommendation. Make it a gamble That is, you don’t neccessarily have to forecast the result but if you want to forecast the result in order to get some bonus points, than you should be ready to pay a price as well. If your forecast is incorrect, you will lose some points.
We don’t need to make it too complicated. Just keep 4-5 senarios. Like Pakistan will win by an innings or vice versa. Or Pakistan will win by less than 10 wickets and greater than 5 or vice versa. Give these standard 3-4 senarios to particpants before the start of the match and ask them if they want to forecast or gamble.
The idea is whoever is on the 6 or 7 spot towards the end of league will take a gamble to gain the crucial 20-30 points to grab the top slot or it can back fire as well and from 6-7 , you will drop further to 10-15th position.
Again no need to make it too complicated like alloting all 32 players different points. After all we have played this league so many times in the past with all wickets weighing equal points, so no need for drastic changes like butt's wicket for 20.1 points, younis for 23.3 or dravids for 31.003 points.
Keep it simple as I suggested that before the start of series we make categories of the players on the basis of their batting talent.
3 categories such as:
A class players where we have inzi, yousuf, dravid, tendi and their wickets for 30 points
B class players: where we have openers, some middle order players and allrounders- their wickets will give 20 points
C class players: all tailenders and their wickets for 10 points.
Sounds reasonable. Only thing is that since wicket is test requires lots of effort. Give it more weightage. Dont undermine bowlers, as it is ICC is busy making is batsmen’s game.
Guys, I have added a field of BONUS points for each player for each inning. Now whoever is entering the scores will have to watch and fill the "bonus" points for each player be it due to class of batsmen, due to the conditions in which the inning is played, or if its 10 extra points for centery etc
Now we have to chalk out the rules of assigning points and having said that I also want to point out that now person who is entering the score has more responsibility hence there are more chances of making errors.
Captain1 bro, Which ever way you look at it ICC is busy making this game more sophisticated and gambling prone. The ‘Game of chances’ has become the ‘game of mental jargon’
Forecasting a game result will definitely spice up our lil’ol ‘Fantasy league’
so at the end of the game we shall have many ‘I told you so’ geeks & ‘Ohh, I was nearly there’ suckers (Which we already see in these threads anyway)
Great DC:k:
So now CAN we safely say for sure that this FL competition will different from the old ones because:
1: We have the option of changing the players after every match
2: There is a bonus field for each player
???
Decent you said somewhere that you want to avoidthe HUMAN factor such as point being deducted for drop catches etc and I AGREE
Even for bonus points I think it will be controversial if we give it on the basis of condition under which a 50 or 100 is made. Again it will vary on your understanding of what a difficult situation is, i.e. human factor.
I think its about time we all should now come up with our list of recommendations for this bonus point field and than with mutual agreement decide on 2 or 3 recommendations
And finally what about the trumph rule. Trumph player is such an important player for a team since its point will be doubled and ideally it should be a deciding factor among different participants in FL **(and in the past I dont think having a trump was helping people kicking other participants a$$ or winning the competition). **I would not like to see people getting double points so easily. I think if they want to double their points they should be place in a position where they have to show guts and make their own decision rather picking trumph mainly because other 41 participants have also picked the same player (I guess Flintoff was picked 42 times). Once again I strongly recommend that participants should be restrcited to select a player as trumph only once in the series. This means that 3 times in the test series people will be making a decision and will be pickng a player as trumph in a match and it is possible that 60 or 70% of other participants will not be having that player as trumph in that particular match. Just imagine for a second how different will it be from the previous competitions, where we had more than 80-85% participants having the same player as trumph in a match. I think the idea for this thread is to have recommendations which will make FL more unpredictable. Don’t you think this change in trump policy will serve the purpose???
basically I have added one more way of earning points for players other than runs, wickets, stump etc and that is BONUS POINTS. Now we have to come up with the list of actions by which any player can earn BONUS POINT. Lets say we decide that
each 100 runs will get batsmen 25 extra points
each wickets of class A batsmen (inzi, yousuf, dravid,sachin..) can earn bowler 10 extra points
and so on…
now suppose that Younus khan made 123 runs and got a wicket of SACHIN so his points will be
Runs Points: 123
Wicket Point : 30
Bonus Points: 25 (for scoring more than 100) + 10 (for taking wicket of class A batsman) = 35 points
I kind of like the idea of chanign teams after every match. It will keep the unpredictablity factor going. But what we must guard against is compromising our simplicity by introducing too many new things. 'Baby steps' ie they IMO fore succssfull evolution of Fantasy League.
So I suggest changing of teams, 30 points for wickets in tests, 20 for LOI and change in stumping points.
each wickets of class A batsmen (inzi, yousuf, dravid,sachin..) can earn bowler 10 extra points
and so on....
now suppose that Younus khan made 123 runs and got a wicket of SACHIN so his points will be
Runs Points: 123
Wicket Point : 30
Bonus Points: 25 (for scoring more than 100) + 10 (for taking wicket of class A batsman) = 35 points
hope I am making sense !
OK we also have to decide on the points for each category of batsman. We can either allot 25 points for each wicket and than add bonus points for each category as decent said. For eg. wickets for category A means 25 points + 10 bonus points as Decent suggested.
Wickets for category B 25 pts + 5 bonus pts and for category C 25 points only (no bonus) OR
We can keep it simple. Divide the players into A, B and C category.
wickets for A category: 40 pts
wickets for B category: 30 pts
wickets for C category: 10 pts
Well a 5-w must earn more than 25 points for a bowler. (at least in ODIs)
This fantasy league is all in favor of batsmen. One wicket must have 30+ points in ODIs and at leats 25 in Tests.
Ok I have my final recommendations for the Fantasy league
1: I agree with Decent on changing teams after every match
2: Trumph policy should be changed. Participants should be** required **to change trumph after every match.
BONUS POINTS:
3: Once the teams are announced, divide all players from both sides into categories. Category A, B , and C
All wickets will have equal points, which will be 20. However dismissing A category player will give additional 20 bonus points to a bowler, making the overall points for dismissing category A batsman, 40 . Dismissing B will give 10 bonus, making it to 30 and NO bonus for category C, i.e. bowlers will only get 20 basic points for dismissing category 3 players.
4: A century will give a batsman 25 additional bonus points. In case he scores a double century, another 25 added. So if some one scores 225, his points will be 275.
5: A keeper disissing 5 or more players (catches + stumping) will get 25 bonus points. Run outs by keeper through a fielder throw will not be counted in those dismissals.
6: MOM gets 50 bonus points. If your trumph is MOM, than double it to 100.
I urge other members to give their final recommendations, so Mods and Decent can decide on the the final changes.
No, cause a bowler is limited to 10 overs in an ODI, and the chances of taking 5 wickets are reduced. (bowlers like Warne who get 5+ wickets by bowling 2-day spells have very little chance)
1: I agree with Decent on changing teams after every match
2: Trumph policy should be changed. Participants should be** required **to change trumph after every match.
BONUS POINTS:
3: Once the teams are announced, divide all players from both sides into categories. Category A, B , and C
All wickets will have equal points, which will be 20. However dismissing A category player will give additional 20 bonus points to a bowler, making the overall points for dismissing category A batsman, 40 . Dismissing B will give 10 bonus, making it to 30 and NO bonus for category C, i.e. bowlers will only get 20 basic points for dismissing category 3 players.
4: A century will give a batsman 25 additional bonus points. In case he scores a double century, another 25 added. So if some one scores 225, his points will be 275.
5: A keeper disissing 5 or more players (catches + stumping) will get 25 bonus points. Run outs by keeper through a fielder throw will not be counted in those dismissals.
6: MOM gets 50 bonus points. If your trumph is MOM, than double it to 100.
I urge other members to give their final recommendations, so Mods and Decent can decide on the the final changes.
:)
4A: A bowler getting 4+ wickets must get 25 (bonus) points, and 40 in case it is a 5+. Similarly if a bowler gets 10w in a Test match, he must get (additional)25 bonus point.
(Fun-Part) If Kumble gets 10 wickets in an innings, he must get 100 bonus points.
why? because five wicket hauls are lot easier (or harder?) to get in ODIs than in tests? Cute! Really cute!