Re: Pregnant lady comes to U.S only to have her child born here?
I think USA should change its laws so that a child born in USA no longer becomes an automatic citizen
too many retards and their relatives are being allowed in USA due to this rule
The rule works just fine .. parents cannot stay because kids are citizen .. kids cannot sponsor them till they reach 18 ...
unless parents leave the kids with foster parents and go back... what really can go wrong ..
I just remember .. on both of my daughters birth certificates (that is as good as certificate of citizenship), legal status of parents was not asked ...
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actually the law does not work fine, havent u seen mexicans say oh no u are seperating families because the kids are american and the parents are illegals?
Re: Pregnant lady comes to U.S only to have her child born here?
actually the law does not work fine, havent u seen mexicans say oh no u are seperating families because the kids are american and the parents are illegals?
Instead of changing 14th ammendment, they should work on immigration laws, or border security ...
Re: Pregnant lady comes to U.S only to have her child born here?
I think USA should change its laws so that a child born in USA no longer becomes an automatic citizen
That will require an amendment to the US Constitution. This is not easy. All states have to vote, plus the Congress. The last meaningful amendment to the US Constitution was in 1971 (26th Amendment) when voting age was set at 18.
A few years ago, Bush floated a proposal to amend the constitution to define that marriage can only be between a man and a woman (to stop homosexuals from getting "married"). That proposal got no where. People said at that time, that US constitution should not be amended for trifle things.
Citizenship based on birth is a touchy subject, anyway. Unlike many European countries, US is founded on the principle of immigration. As a nation its sensitivities are different than most European countries. Another example is that only a person who is born in the US can become President. Again, thats a legacy law, which was probably enacted to stop a supporter of the Queen/King of UK to become the President of USA, in the early days of the Union. The law still carries on.
Re: Pregnant lady comes to U.S only to have her child born here?
The rule works just fine .. parents cannot stay because kids are citizen .. kids cannot sponsor them till they reach 18 ...
unless parents leave the kids with foster parents and go back... what really can go wrong ..
I just remember .. on both of my daughters birth certificates (that is as good as certificate of citizenship), legal status of parents was not asked ...
this rule was written up for freed Slaves as their children had the right to become US citizens
people today just go and give birth in USA and they can use that baby to sponsor the entire clan to USA
USA needs a filtration to process to keep the garbage out
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but citizenship based on birth was ammended in UK also, so only ppl who had a legal stay in UK (excluding non immigrant and work visa types) could have their british born kids be UK citizens.
it was a touchy subject there too but times changed
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in waukegan illinois, the local police was going to receive special training from homeland secruity and they were going to initiate deportation proceedings against illegals caught committing violent crime..
note
initiate deportation i.e. start the process, not take teh perp to laredo and drop kick him to nuevo laredo
illegals commiting violent crime
but guess what... mexicans had an issue with it and they called it a racist law.
anti immgrant and what nots. as if legal immigrants cant be booted out for felonies anyways.
so illegals protested en masse and their pals and the city council bent over and backed off..
Re: Pregnant lady comes to U.S only to have her child born here?
people today just go and give birth in USA and they can use that baby to sponsor the entire clan to USA
A "baby" can sponsor zilch. A citizen must be at least 18 years old before s/he can sponsor anyone. And even after that the wait times are horrendously long.
X2. I am not familiar with the process of changing a law in the UK. I am guessing its much easier than the process here in the US to amend the constitution. Here its a very long and protracted process which requires super majority of votes. Many amednments took years before they were enacted. The 22nd amendment (term limits on President) took almost 4 years to pass (1947-1951).
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How did she pass through the immigration with that belly?Usually the immigration here is pretty strict about these cases and they are no fools to know the intentions.
Re: Pregnant lady comes to U.S only to have her child born here?
A "baby" can sponsor zilch. A citizen must be at least 18 years old before s/he can sponsor anyone. And even after that the wait times are horrendously long.
X2. I am not familiar with the process of changing a law in the UK. I am guessing its much easier than the process here in the US to amend the constitution. Here its a very long and protracted process which requires super majority of votes. Many amednments took years before they were enacted. The 22nd amendment (term limits on President) took almost 4 years to pass (1947-1951).
laws had to be changed there as well and to do that a majroty had to vote for it in the houses of parliament.
I think the issue here is that the politicians are scared and dont want to offend hispanics.
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laws had to be changed there as well and to do that a majroty had to vote for it in the houses of parliament.
If it were just a matter of US Congress, it would be an easy thing to accomplish (relatively speaking). After all, Acts of Congress are fairly regular fare. However, an amendment to the US Constitution requires 2/3rd support from State legislatures too. And you know how complicated that can be.
I think the issue here is that the politicians are scared and dont want to offend hispanics.
Definitely. The forces of lobbyists as well as public pressure and litigation are all part of the equation in line to make any kind of meaningful change in the constitution.
Plus, frankly, I don't see this issue as dominating public imagination in the US. Strict border security, yes. Better enforcement of immigration laws, yes. Whether kids born in the US be given automatic US citizenship, don't care.
In a mid-air drama this weekend, a woman gave birth to a child onboard a British Airways jet flying from London to Boston. The pilot received permission to land in Nova Scotia when it became clear there was a delivery in progress, but the baby was born before the plane could land. As far as what goes on this child’s birth certificate next to “Place of Birth” and of what country this child can claim citizenship, it all depends on who you ask. In this case, we’ve got a mother described by the British Airways crew as Egyptian and traveling on a U.S. passport, and a plane that took off in Britain bound for the United States that landed in Canada. So where is this child from? Almost every country in the world, as well as the United Nations, has procedures and recommendations for how to properly classify the geographic details of an in-air birth. The United Nations considers a child born in-flight to have been born in the airplane’s registered country. Some countries point to the city where the child first disembarked the plane as the place of birth, and to the airplane’s registered country as the place of citizenship. Of course, citizenship and birthplace are two different topics – citizenship is typically a larger issue and may require some paperwork, while writing a child’s birthplace on a birth certificate is often a less legally significant consideration.
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^ Even in the above, fairly convulated scenario, I can see reasonable argument for child getting the citizenship of either Egypt (mother was Egyptian), US (mother had a US passport) or Britain (child was born on a British airplane - British Airways). It can't be Canada, unless Canada gives automatic citizenship to all babies born on its soil (or first disembarked).
My question (or reference to hoax) was on the statement "could get citizenship of any **country in the world". No, a child can not opt for citizenship for just **any country of the world. This child (in this example) can't expect to get citizenship of Saudi Arabia, for example, or Turkey or Germany, or just about any other country. There is always a legal and procedural way to determine the citizenship and various options available to a baby. Its not willy nilly.
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every child has a native land. parents who decide to give have their child in a foreign country for nationality claim from that country have their own reasons why they do so and very obvious ones too, thus it is no surprise that at some level a new born is involuntarily detached from the parents' country for selfish reasons.
a lot to unravel in this behavior.
she is nice 
