Pipelines from Turkmenistan and Iran to India

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*Originally posted by bdsurti: *

Abdali Ji

You should read the details of Deep Sea Pipe Lines before commenting on the Russians dumping the Idea.

My Dear Sir the Oman-India Deep Sea Pipe Line was considered feasible in 1994 AND THE TECHOLOGY WAS THERE TO GO AHEAD. The only reason that it did not go ahead was that it was too costly if used for Oman Gas only.

Now that there are other sources in the Persian Gulf so this Pipe Line, if Required, can go ahead. We have moved Eight Years.

Now there are facilities to DRILL FOR OIL AND GAS TO A DEPTH OF 10,000 METRES.

I would request Abdali Ji that you check the Four Links that I have given in my last post.

Once you have read the details in the Four Links then please comment.

You should note that unfortunately the Russians do not posses the means to lay a Deep Sea Pipe Line

Have a Nice Day
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Bdsurti Ji, I have read all the links one of them is not working. What I have read at barwas rakshak (where great minds get together) A pipeline from Iran to Arabia and from Oman to India.... You want to bet its all talk and no action! I bet it will be talk for another 10 years, what do you say.

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*Originally posted by BigBoss2015: *
Commercial western companies will never allow gas/oil pipe line though unstable countries like Pakistan. Its very high risk for them.

So Pakistan can jump up and down all it wants - but companies like Shell will never allow it to go through Pakistan.

Its fact of life.
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BigBoss 2015

You are misinformed Sir.

Mian Biwi Razi To Kya Karey Ga Kazi.

If India agrees then Shell better do it or the other Major Oil companies will jump into the fray.

Have a Nice Day

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Abdali Ji**

You are right that the following does not work at the moment - may be too many people are trying.

http://www.intec-hou.com/expertise/...ume.asp?r_id=68

So please try the Home Page at :

www.intec-hou.com

and this will give you more information.

Best of Luck

Have a Nice Day

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*Originally posted by BigBoss2015: *
Commercial western companies will never allow gas/oil pipe line though unstable countries like Pakistan. Its very high risk for them.

So Pakistan can jump up and down all it wants - but companies like Shell will never allow it to go through Pakistan.

Its fact of life.
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Weren't Musharraf, Karzai and the Russian PM involved in signing some pipeline deal just a couple of months back?

I think you are being a bit overly pessimistic.

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*Originally posted by bdsurti: *

BigBoss 2015

You are misinformed Sir.

Mian Biwi Razi To Kya Karey Ga Kazi.

If India agrees then Shell better do it or the other Major Oil companies will jump into the fray.

Have a Nice Day
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The fact of the matter is commercial companies and government will ALWAYS avoid unstable countries. Pipeline from Turkmanistan to India will involve Afghanistan and Pakistan.

No government or companies will be willing to take risk through 2 unstable islamic fanatical countries.

Discussions you mention were in the mid 1990s, unfortunatly the world has moved on since then.

Good day to you.

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Forget the companies. The fact is you Indians have to depend on Pakistan :wink: Truth hurts chanda :hehe:

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*Originally posted by BigBoss2015: *

The fact of the matter is commercial companies and government will ALWAYS avoid unstable countries. Pipeline from Turkmanistan to India will involve Afghanistan and Pakistan.

No government or companies will be willing to take risk through 2 unstable islamic fanatical countries.

Discussions you mention were in the mid 1990s, unfortunatly the world has moved on since then.

Good day to you.
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Yep as India doesn't full of fanatics

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*Originally posted by bdsurti: *
**Adnan Ahmed & Pakistani Tiger

Fine. Thank you very much Gentlemen. There will be no Land Gas Pipe Line going through Pakistan, in the near future, as every discussion has to First Discuss and Settle Kashmir as per Pakistani Requirements.**

BDSurti

You misunderstood again. I said it before Pakistan agrees on Pipeline. It offers openly and did say Pakistan doesn’t put Kashmir on the issue of Pipeline. All need to be done is Democractic leader from India, Mr.Vajpayee has to come face to face Mr. Musharraf, Dictator from Pakistan, yet again

Here’s the thing I don’t get it. Musharraf says:

Pakistan is ready for talks with India, any time, any where, at level

This has been Musharraf’s policy towards India since he came into power.

Vajpayee always refused it thouh he invited Musharraf for talks in Agra Summit, which was ducked by India. Listen to Indian Journalist : Why Pakistan’s Pervez Musharraf Went Home Victorious BY APARISIM GHOSH

I must say Indian foreign policies comes from these fanatics groups, who are in power. They are also playing with the internal problems of India, which Indian officials have blamed Pakistan for it.

Example: Dec. 13, Gujarat, Temple attack. No evidence was put forward

Never mind. There may be no Land Gas Pipe Line going through Pakistan, in the near future, but being an OPTOMIST I hope there will be one eventually.

There will be. The fact is India is trying her best to herself away from the dialouges with Pakistan.

**Gentlemen have a very nice day. **

Same to you.

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Pakistani Tiger

Yes, indeed Pakistan¡¯s Self Appointed President, Dictator as you call him, was a Guest in Agra. He bypassed (misused is too strong a word even if it is the correct word) his hosts¡¯ hospitality and without following the proper protocol had a Press Conference.
Morally Wrong. Ethically Wrong. However Politically, Tactically and Strategically Totally Correct. He did indeed create a Public Relations Coup. May he succeed again and again in this manner.

It speaks very well and highly of the Indian Government that such a Coup was allowed, also that of the Indian Press Corps that they took the opportunity to confirm India¡¯s Press Freedom.

Had such an Interview been done by Prime Minister Vajpayee in Pakistan it is quite possible that the Press would have felt intimidated and not had the Interview. Or if they Interviewed then same would not have hit the Pakistani Media as the result would be that suffered by Mr. Najam Sethi of the Friday times or Mr. Sehbai of the Jang. Mr. Sethi became very independent after the departure of Mian Nawaz Shariff but now after the Sehbhai Episode Mr Sethi is toeing the KHAKI LINE.

Now India is replying back Politically, Strategically and Tactically by not Playing Cricket with Pakistan, Building up Armed forces on the Border, not agreeing to the Gas Pipeline through Pakistan etc. etc.

Since I accept President Musharraf¡¯s Agra Interview Coup I have to, grudgingly, accept the Indian Governments¡¯ Policy.

Regarding talks with President Musharraf. President Musharraf did what he wanted in Agra. I think the Indian Prime Minister has the right to do what he wants to di in India or in respect of India as its Genuinely Elected Representative. Not by a ‘‘Fudged and Fiddled Referendum’’.

It is good to know that at least you agree with me that there will be a Gas Land Pipe Line through Pakistan. I am prepared to wait for that eventuality.

Have a Nice Day

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*Originally posted by bdsurti: *

**Morally Wrong. Ethically Wrong. **

How so?

Had such an Interview been done by Prime Minister Vajpayee in Pakistan it is quite possible that the Press would have felt intimidated and not had the Interview. Or if they Interviewed then same would not have hit the Pakistani Media as the result would be that suffered by Mr. Najam Sethi of the Friday times or Mr. Sehbai of the Jang. Mr. Sethi became very independent after the departure of Mian Nawaz Shariff but now after the Sehbhai Episode Mr Sethi is toeing the KHAKI LINE.

I think President Musharraf did invite Mr. Vajpayee while visiting India last year. Mr. Vajpayee is most welcome for talks in Pakistan whenever he wants to. But as far as I know, Mr. Vajpayee has cancelled his visit to Pakistan.

Now India is replying back Politically, Strategically and Tactically by not Playing Cricket with Pakistan, Building up Armed forces on the Border, not agreeing to the Gas Pipeline through Pakistan etc. etc.

I think it’s hurting both India and Pakistan. I don’t get why Indian officials are making such a deal if the Gas Pipeline has to pass from Pakistan. Pakistan has already offer it openly. All India is need to do is come over on the table of dialouge.

Regarding talks with President Musharraf. President Musharraf did what he wanted in Agra. I think the Indian Prime Minister has the right to do what he wants to di in India or in respect of India as its Genuinely Elected Representative. Not by a ‘‘Fudged and Fiddled Referendum’’.

Whether a person becomes the head of the state with fraud or with respect, all he/she has to do is work for the nation, which is what Musharraf is doing.

It is good to know that at least you agree with me that there will be a Gas Land Pipe Line through Pakistan. I am prepared to wait for that eventuality.

:k:

**Have a Nice Day **

Same to you.

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*Originally posted by Pakistani Tiger: *

I think it's hurting both India and Pakistan. ..
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Its hurting Pakistan more than India. Thats all that matter.

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It’s hurting India. There is no Gas in India :hehe: What does that suppose to mean? :smiley:

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Pakistani Tiger Ji

Its NOT hurting India. India is importing all the LNG it wants by LNG Carriers. Four LNG Carriers of 135.000 Metric Tons Each will be in service starting later half of 2002.

The Pipe Line is for Future needs - possibly in the next Five Years or so.

if required more LNG Carriers can be put into service.

So as a Nation India is OK

It is just that I am one of those wanting a land pipe line

Have a nice weekend

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*Originally posted by bdsurti: *

Pakistani Tiger Ji

Its NOT hurting India. India is importing all the LNG it wants by LNG Carriers. Four LNG Carriers of 135.000 Metric Tons Each will be in service starting later half of 2002.

The Pipe Line is for Future needs - possibly in the next Five Years or so.

if required more LNG Carriers can be put into service.

So as a Nation India is OK

It is just that I am one of those wanting a land pipe line

Have a nice weekend
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Dude, I was just messing up with that kid. :)

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Originally posted by bdsurti: *
**Adnan Ahmed & Pakistani Tiger*

Fine. Thank you very much Gentlemen. There will be no Land Gas Pipe Line going through Pakistan, in the near future, as every discussion has to First Discuss and Settle Kashmir as per Pakistani Requirements.

Yes, India is being very unreasonable as it is denying Pakistan an annual earning of between One and Two Billion US Dollars as Transit Fees without any Investment from Pakistan as well as denying Pakistani people the jobs they would have got if India had not stuck to its unreasonable stance. Naughty India.

As the MFN Status has proved Pakistan is only interested in getting Benefits from India. Pakistan is not willing to reciprocate. This once again prove India’s unrelenting and unrealistic stance.

The Saying ‘’Hing Lago Na Phatkiri Aney Chokkho Rung Jamaye.’’ Translated roughly into English is that without using Hing (Asafoetida – I think you might call it Heeng) or Phatkiri (Alum) all the benefits were achieved i.e. Manna from Heaven.

Never mind. There may be no Land Gas Pipe Line going through Pakistan, in the near future, but being an OPTOMIST I hope there will be one eventually.

Gentlemen have a very nice day.
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Now your just being stupid, my point was that we should PUT KASHMIR ON THE BACK BURNERS FOR A WHILE. I said that our current stand on Kashmir is pointless, and we should work on things like the pipeline to increase mutual trust.
And the pipeline will not only benefit us in Pakistan, but you aswell.
My point was, that this will be the harbinger of peace, as both contries will gain a huge amount and in the process, become more comfortable with the other. Once this happens, then we should think about Kashmir.
AND I said that Pakistan will give you confidence measures, thats part of the package, but first we will have to sit down and discuss the matter, which I doubt your country is willing to do.
You obviouslyt NOT an optomist, because if you were, you would be supporting this idea.
The problem with your country is that it would rather look at us at the end of a rifle, then across a negotiating table. Until India realizes that it will have to trust for its own sake and the region, we will be stuck prepetual cycle.
BTW, lets prove you optomism... What exactly do you suggest in terms of confidence building measures? We already said that Pakistan will not stop its Arms spending, so what can we do to make you people happy?
YOU HAVE AN AWESOME, AMAZING, EXCEPTIONALLY WONDERFUL DAY...:)

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  • ....PUT KASHMIR ON THE BACK BURNERS FOR A WHILE... *

whats the point? Pakistan keeps harping on about it everday. Actually the survival of pakistan depends on it harping on about Kashmir everday.

Now you Pakistanis can jump up and down all you want - but the gas pipe line will be built when India says so.

You should be more worried about having energy in Pakistan than to worry about India.

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  • ...The problem with your country is that it would rather look at us at the end of a rifle *

No actually we rather look at you with nuclear missile pointing at you. Is the only safe way and its the only language you understand.

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Pakistani Tiger Ji

How so?

Protocol does expect a Guest to inform the host country before a Press Confrence is called and one does not try to win Points as a Guest in the Host Country

I think President Musharraf did invite Mr. Vajpayee while visiting India last year. Mr. Vajpayee is most welcome for talks in Pakistan whenever he wants to. But as far as I know, Mr. Vajpayee has cancelled his visit to Pakistan.

Prime Minister Vajpayee went to Lahore. It transpires that at time General Musharraf was planning the Kargil Affair. Never mind. It happened. General Musharraf then goes to India and it proves to be a futile visit as he must First and Foremost Discuss and Have Kashmir. Impasse.

With the above scenario how do you expect Prime Minister to Visit Pakistan.

I think it's hurting both India and Pakistan. I don't get why Indian officials are making such a deal if the Gas Pipeline has to pass from Pakistan. Pakistan has already offer it openly. All India is need to do is come over on the table of dialogue

It is isn’t hurting India at all. With the situation at hand it is for Pakistan to offer Confidence Building Measures so as to draw into to the Table of Dialogue.

Whether a person becomes the head of the state with fraud or with respect, all he/she has to do is work for the nation, which is what Musharraf is doing.

If you will recollect Prime Minister Vajpayee was the FIRST foreign Leader to CONGRATULATE General Musharraf on his ‘’Self-Elevation’’ to become the ‘’Self-Appointed’’ President of Pakistan. So the validity of President Musharraf’s postion is not being questioned. His position is accepted.

The Indians are waiting to see if Pakistan will create an atmosphere conducive to Dailogue.

Have a Nice Day

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Adnan Ahmed Ji

Now your just being stupid, my point was that we should PUT KASHMIR ON THE BACK BURNERS FOR A WHILE. I said that our current stand on Kashmir is pointless, and we should work on things like the pipeline to increase mutual trust.

Despite your derogatory remark labelling me as Stupid I shall not stoop, but, will carry our the discussion in a Gentlemanly manner.

This is then Confidence Building Point : Number One : Stop Cross Border Terrorism. You have admitted tht the majority of the Kashmiri Jehadis are from Pakistani Punjab.

And the pipeline will not only benefit us in Pakistan, but you aswell.
My point was, that this will be the harbinger of peace, as both contries will gain a huge amount and in the process, become more comfortable with the other. Once this happens, then we should think about Kashmir.
AND I said that Pakistan will give you confidence measures, thats part of the package, but first we will have to sit down and discuss the matter, which I doubt your country is willing to do.
You obviouslyt NOT an optomist, because if you were, you would be supporting this idea.

The Pipe Line MAINLY BENEFITS Pakistan. An Income of up to USD Two Billion Yearly for perpetuity.

I do like your terming this Pipe Line Project a harbinger of Peace. May there be many more.

Confidence Building Measure Two : Hand over the Indian Underworld Gangsters like Mr. Dawood and the others to India.

Confidence Building Measure Three : Reciprocate by offering Indian goods Pakistan’s Most Favoured Nation Status. India gave this to Pakistan may be Five Years ago.

Had I not been an optimist or a supporter of this idea then we wouldn’t have had over Fifty Posts on this Board – the majority being mine.

The problem with your country is that it would rather look at us at the end of a rifle, then across a negotiating table. Until India realizes that it will have to trust for its own sake and the region, we will be stuck prepetual cycle.

Adnan Ji – The whole Episode started with the USA arming Pakistan in 1950s ostensibly against Communist Russia and Communist China to India’s Chagrin.

These Arms were used against India, East Pakistan and Balochistan. Not against Russia. Not against China. So the Rifle is in Pakistan’s Hand aimed at India’s Head. It is natural for India to see the End of the Rifle then the table, at a considerable distance, beyond.

Whether it is conventional warfare, or Nuclear or Missiles it is the Pakistani Leadership which states that One Pakistani Soldier is equal to Ten Indian Soldiers. They have time and time again reiterated that they can DESTROY ALL OF INDIA. Your Generals, Admirals and Air Marshals have stated their intention to have Breakfast in Jaipur and Delhi, Lunch in Bomaby and Luknow, Dinner in Calcutta and Madrass and finally Supper in Cape Comorin and Agartala.

Have you ever heard of such bellicose and stupid statements made by Indian Leaders – Political and Military?

By the way if One Pakistani Soldier is equal Ten Indian Soldiers then why doesn’t Pakistan Trim its Armed Forces Members to One Tenth the Indian Size?

BTW, lets prove you optomism... What exactly do you suggest in terms of confidence building measures? We already said that Pakistan will not stop its Arms spending, so what can we do to make you people happy?

I have enumerated IMHO the Confidence Building Measures required by India. Neither I nor you have the power to negotiate and formulate Policy.

Please pay attention to my posts. I have stated several times : Pakistan’s Defence Spending is Pakistan’s prerogative. India has no right to criticise it. Similarly India’s Defence Budget is India’s prerogative. Pakistan has no right to criticise it.

YOU HAVE AN AWESOME, AMAZING, EXCEPTIONALLY WONDERFUL DAY..

Words fail me to pay you a better compliments and wishes so all I can say ‘’ May god grant the same to You’’

Have a nice Weekend.

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*Originally posted by BigBoss2015: *

The fact of the matter is commercial companies and government will ALWAYS avoid unstable countries. Pipeline from Turkmanistan to India will involve Afghanistan and Pakistan.

No government or companies will be willing to take risk through 2 unstable islamic fanatical countries.

Discussions you mention were in the mid 1990s, unfortunatly the world has moved on since then.

Good day to you.
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Islamic fanatical?
You need to go do your homework little boy.:)

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*Originally posted by BigBoss2015: *
* ....PUT KASHMIR ON THE BACK BURNERS FOR A WHILE... *

whats the point? Pakistan keeps harping on about it everday. Actually the survival of pakistan depends on it harping on about Kashmir everday.

Now you Pakistanis can jump up and down all you want - but the gas pipe line will be built when India says so.

You should be more worried about having energy in Pakistan than to worry about India.
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If you Indians stop occupying Kashmir, we wont harp on and on about it.
Aas for us worrying about energy, we have no worries, its Iindia that needs us for its supply. Eventually you will have to realize this fact.
So fuk you and your country.