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think so Naulana Sahib is taking arabs side just for being muslims,i know rape is not a good act but even the worst and worst of muslim is better than a non-muslim.
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Its a lost cause
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women who like to remain uncovered will always find such statements very very offensive....
a woman who is fully covered can also be raped, women r raped in the security of their own homes even, but lets face it, an uncovered woman does attarct unwanted attention....
i remember a british court too once let a rapist off the hook cuz the victim was very scantly dressed....
but since that came from a non-muslim gora court, it was a justified statement....
and since this comes from a muslim imam, it must be fanatic and rubbish....
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The insecurity and inferiority complexes of the Munafiqeen makes me laugh.
Any Cleric who says anything unpalatable to the tastes of the west is an ignorant and a waste of time in their eyes.
For … sake, the Cleric didn’t say the rapist is not responsible or he shouldn’t be punished (every Muslim will say the rapist should be punished severely), simply that the victim is also partially to blame for provoking him.
I agree with the Cleric, I know women who themselves dress like sluts or men whose women dress like sluts will find that unpalatable, but truth is truth whether you find it bitter or sweet.
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lol ppl like u r the ones who dun have prob(not that i have) with girls wearing miniskirt but r also mostly responsible for rapes in a societies…not mullahs or ppl who says girls also have a responsbility so u tell me who is a dog :halo: …
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I can understand why you feel this way. We’d much rather believe that we have some degree of control over such horrible actions, and it’s easier to make the raped woman responsible so that we can think, ‘oh, as long as I dress modestly and my loved ones dress modestly, we are safe.’
However, that’s not how it works. Years of research and study have shown that rape is not and never was about sexual desire. Rape is about power and exerting control. Clothed or unclothed, men and women are raped and dehumanized as a way to take control. A sick and sadistic person is not deterred by a bit of cloth.
As humans with God-given brain capacity and a sense of morality we can control our sexual desires. If you think men cannot control themselves, you really have a low opinion of men and are revealing more about yourself than perhaps you care to. I think that there is a good degree of self-control in most men, and that regardless of feelings of desire, most men are not going to harm a woman in order to satisfy sexual desire. Otherwise, beaches all over the world would have far more problems than, thankfully, they do.
However during times of war and political/social unrest, rapes become increasingly common as a way to invade and subjugate a population. Again, it’s not about sex, it’s about power.
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What makes you say so?
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because i heard maulana not this one but maulana ABDULLAH SALEEM in chicago said that
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I see. And do you agree? There are a lot of people that say things. But that doesn’t mean they are all right, and it certainly doesn’t mean that you have to agree with them.
I know a lot of non-Muslims that do a tremendous amount of good throughout the world. They don’t simply donate money to help charities, they actually sacrifice their own time and health in order to better others’ lives. There are also Muslims who do the same. However, a blanket statement saying that all Muslims are better than all non-Muslims is highly flawed. I myself have encountered so many people who are good people, just not Muslims, and I don’t think that a horrible murderer/rapist/etc who calls himself a Muslim would be considered better than them. Allah knows best. The labels we place on people are irrelevant. It is our actions and intentions that determine what kind of people we are.
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aside from being just wrong, his example is incorrect as well
Agreed! Its a shame that we have these opinionated, narrow minded sheikhs acting as muslim community's spokemen. Where is there common sense??
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ume-zafeerahn ay farmaya
I think so Naulana Sahib is taking arabs side just for being muslims,
so mullah dude is a biased bigot. taking the side of ppl he feels kinship with even when they are wrong and have committed a horrible crime. Nice...ppl like this should be packed up and slingshot back to their homelands where they can have as much kinship with their ppl as they want.
*i know rape is not a good act *
not a good act, of course its NOT a GOOD act, it is a horrible act, a crime that has lingering effects on the victims..
*but even the worst and worst of muslim is better than a non-muslim. *
is this a roundabout scraedy cat way of saying that the asswipe arab guys who raped teh girls are still better in your eyes than the girls who were raped?
andALLAH will justify the acts what everyone is doing but the person who performed rape should be punished according to islamic rules, it is never said in quran or hadees that persons doing sins either muslims or non muslims should not be punished they should be punished.
But as far as maulana sahib is concerned we should not disscuss him because it is his doing if he is giving wrong fatwa.
and how would he know if no one discusses it,how would other ppl know that the statements were moronic at best. There are muslims on this site who have little knowledge and may take the mullah's words to be fact. there are non muslims who would otherwise think that hi statements depict Islam, which they do not.
so as I said, dont discuss him if it make su feel uncomfortable, but his statements and words can be dissected.
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Ok, let me restate my question (which I had asked in my last post) that who is responsible for the rape of a hijabi/niqabi muslim woman teaching Quran to kids?
I think there is no justification of supporting rape be it a case of hijabi/nikabi or non hijabi/nikabi.
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Partly responsible I have to say, the guy is still very much wrong, but how do you feel when u hear about strippers that got raped?
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Lusi, some ppl will just not get it.
I mean then what is the definition of scantily clad and does it vary from person to person, someone who thinks the full batman costume is what is needed would probably think hijabis to be too revealing.
the whole premise is lame. Its like saying the person with a nice house is partially responsible if his house gets burgularized..
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This is what happens everyday, that is why women are told to dress modestly, and why rapists should get the death penalty, if people followed Islam's complete way of life, these type of things would be very rare.
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Frauds I guess you are right....some people will never get it and this thread is just proving it.
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Men are asked to do the same, and the demand applied to them first.
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urdu me kahaawat hai keh "taala shareef aadmi ki niyyat kharaab honay se rokta hai"....
which means a lock is there on the door not to prevent a thief but to stop an otherwise decent person from getting wrong intentions, tempted by the ease of access....
a real rapist will not be stopped even by a niqaab, but atleast dont let all the eyes on the road fixed on u and then who knows which one of those perverts gets the urge to come ahead and rape....
ofcourse u first have to agree that lust plays a very important role in a rape, but unless u rule lust out of it based on some stupid research by some loser in the west, u will not understand this....
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I know a lot of non-Muslims that do a tremendous amount of good throughout the world. They don't simply donate money to help charities, they actually sacrifice their own time and health in order to better others' lives. There are also Muslims who do the same. However, a blanket statement saying that all Muslims are better than all non-Muslims is highly flawed. I myself have encountered so many people who are good people, just not Muslims, and I don't think that a horrible murderer/rapist/etc who calls himself a Muslim would be considered better than them. Allah knows best. The labels we place on people are irrelevant. It is our actions and intentions that determine what kind of people we are.
If non-muslims are doing good ALLAH is rewarding them in a way in this world like they are so rich or more comfortable in their lives.but still they don't believe in one ALLAH and even the worst muslim who is sharabi and rapist and whatever he is he still believe in ALLAH at the end on doomsday the question will be "Did you believe in one ALLAH?and then all the other things come like goodness and everythingFirst thing is TAUHEED TO BELIEVE IN THE ONENESS OF ALLAH .Thats what i meant by saying that even though their are bad muslims but they believe in ALLAH and their are lots of good people that don't believe in ALLAH A(may ALLAH give them hadayat to become muslims aswell )ameen
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i highly doubt the belief of a person who commits such crimes…
how can u justify one’s belief in Allah and the Day of Judgement and still do such serious crimes???
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^ i think what she meant is, you cant call them kafirs.
Of course, they are lacking in iman..when they commit such hideous sins.