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Islam forbids us from boasting about our sins, not to lie, deceive and act dishonest about them when the other person is demanding bit of honesty as it is also their right to know the truth. Big difference.
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Actually I believe you’re not supposed to tell no matter what.
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So you are not supposed to tell at all if you have committed a murder or robbed a bank?
‘No matter what’ - does that including lying in front of the judge or withholding the truth even if an innocent person is about to be hanged for a crime you had committed?
Dishonesty/lying in the name of Islam. LOL First time I’m hearing this, but certainly sounds little better than killing in the name of Islam. Honestly, people make up things about religion as they go along. Whatever suits their agenda and interests.
Like Reha posted - why do we remember extreme cases? Are most practicing/religious Muslim men like the one u’ve described pak2015? It’s the same thing… either it’s ex prossies or Virgin marys. Normal people are not like that.. in an extreme case YES it would be imperative upon on the person to disclose certain things.
The majority of God-fearing men and women commit a major sin (since we are talking abt pre-marital relations) and repent… they don’t repeat it. For the sin they did commit.. must they tell their spouse? Unless it directly affects ur future (STD, child etc) I don’t think so. If ur pursuing a rishta u will see from behavior patterns what that person is like.. if u see an immoral woman, u will know. One sin does not make a person immoral and their confession does nothing but be a cause for embarrassment for that person.
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Rape is also a big sin in Islam. Is a male rapist required to tell his potential bride that he had raped a woman (or women) in past?
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When it comes to prior relationships, we are not to disclose anything. No matter what.
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Totally agree. Who I once was is not who I am now.
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^ That includes all forms of abuse, violence, cheating, controlling behaviour etc?
I rather show a middle finger to the Mullahs and know such things beforehand, thank you very much. Marriage is a serious business.
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Exactly!!!
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You can hide your sin if sin is between you and Allah.
It does not include a sin with his creatures. For that you are responsible and accountable to judge if you committed a crime involving robbery or murdered.
This topic is not on murdered, or robbery but on hiding past physical relationships.
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So basically, Islam gives me no right to expect honesty from the person I’m marrying because honesty is suddenly unIslamic?
I’m pretty sure pre-martial sex involves one of Allah’s creatures.
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It has nothing to do with Mullahs believe it or not. And no one is talking about crimes. We are talking about past physical relationships. A bit of common sense will also tell you that rape and murder are not considered past physical relationships.
Again more exaggeration. Nothing was suddenly unIslamic…this is old stuff.
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I am not very good in religion.
You can be honest by keeping quite your mouth and hiding your past sin. I believe there is nothing wrong.
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If someone asks then one should either tell or just shy away from proposal.
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I don’t understand why you would want to know - surely it would make you insecure in the relationship?
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Not only that but who said we would all like and love these rules?
Yes there are some things in Islam you will not like - deal with it or not - but they are there have a reason for being there.
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Errr I was just reading your posts on previous and saw your repeatedly mention staying mum on “sins” and how we are not supposed to disclose them no matter what. So my common sense told me that murder and robbery also count as sins.
I don’t follow any particular Mullah, so sorry if I had no idea that dishonesty in the name of Islam to your potential life partner is actually encouraged. I rather stay irreligious but honest.
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Maybe if you are that kind of person…go ahead, lie, deceive, hide things from your partner and expect the same crap in return. I don’t believe in such practices.
But I’m an honest and straightforward person, if there is something I genuinely want to know even for curiosity sake, I want and deserve an honest reply (I’d happily return the favour in same manner). I tend to respect people more for just being honest, instead of just being right.
And no knowing such information would NOT make me insecure in a relationship. Maybe there a women which that weak hence it makes sense for them to take the ostrich approach to cover their own backs.
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Neither do I…don’t even think anyone aside from you mentioned the word Mullah.
You can believe what you want…its there and it has its reasons.
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I want to dive in water well. I don’t understand your point on pre-martial sex.
If that creature of Allah mutually cooperated and result the joyous moment of their life and he or she had no such enmity each other. Or more accurate word is consensual sex.
They both got proposal from different families. A crime they did in secret but now both of them want to settle in pious life. Why do you want to make it to difficult them for going through all bureaucratic procedure of past history log of their life.
If Allah Himself does not want them accountable why would they mess their life by confessing their sin to their future spouses.