Part 1:The Imams from Ahlebayt whom Shia consider to be their divinely appointed Imam

Re: Part 1:The Imams from Ahlebayt whom Shia consider to be their divinely appointed

sister....u can wait till eternity........they have no answer........and neither does this uncle ibn sadique who likes to play this game where he is a shia one day and sunni the other day......Allah swt knows if his intentions r anything but to instigate fire...........just like another uncle who started this thread, presented what he allege to b his research and now seems to have done a runner.....

Re: Part 1:The Imams from Ahlebayt whom Shia consider to be their divinely appointed

well Ahlus Sunnah differ from within from tawhid to the salat to u name it.........various groups of Sunnis hold diff position abt this hadith and Imams of the Ahlay Bayt too...........u have said that ur list starts from the Abu Bakr, Umar, Uthman......can u present ur list of who in ur opinion r the 12 khalifas? and what is the count upto now? the 12th khalifa will be the Mahdi who will be a descendant of Fatima AS..........what abt the first 11.......what abt the hadith of Saqalain u have copied in ur signature?

Sunan Abi Dawood, Book 36, Number 4271:
Narrated Umm Salamah, Ummul Mu'minin:
The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said: The Mahdi will be of my family, of the descendants of Fatimah. Abdullah ibn Ja'far said: I heard AbulMalih praising Ali ibn Nufayl and describing his good qualities.

Re: Part 1:The Imams from Ahlebayt whom Shia consider to be their divinely appointed

interesting....r u saying tht ur caliphs suck as the likes of harun, mamun, mansur were oppressors who oppressed both shia and sunni imams?.......
Abu hanifa, Imam Malik and the other Imams were one of the thousands of students tht attended the lectures of Imams of the Ahlay Bayt......kissed their hands and addressed them as the son of the messenger of God.............Quran commands love of the Ahlay Bayt and Rasool left them behind along with Quran for guidance...........they r the masters of Abu Hanifah and Imam Malik as said by Abu Hanifah himself so ur attempt to compare is unjust and invalid...........only a one eyes nasibi like Ibn taymiyah will draw out such comparisons in his futile attempt to belittle the progeny of the Prophet SAWW...

"Abu Hanifa sat for a long time at Imam Baqar's feet and acquired from him much valuable knowledge of Fiqh and Hadith not available anywhere else. Shias and Sunnis are agreed that Abu Hanifa derived much of his learning from Baqar. He learned a great deal from the imam's son, Ja'far al-Sadiq also, which fact is generally mentioned in the history books. Ibn Tamiyah, however, denies this on the ground that Abu Hanifa and Ja'far al-Sadiq were contemporaries and equals, which ruled out the probability of the former being the latter's pupil. But I consider this sheer imprudence and lack of comprehension on Ibn Tamiyah's part. For all his greatness as an original thinker and master of fiqh, Abu Hanifa could not compare in learning with Imam Ja'far al-Sadiq. The Ahl'ul bayt were the fountainhead of Fiqh and Hadith and, in fact, all religious learning. "The master of the house knows best what is in it", to quote a well-known Arabic saying".
Imam Abu Hanifah, Life and Work, page 24

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Imam Jaffar (ra) did not write any books on Fiqh – this is known fact.

He was great Islamic scholar and he taught fiqh to thousands of pupils and the best of his pupils in Fiqh were Imam Abu Hanifa (ra) and Imam Malik (ra) who went on to write books on Fiqh.

So they are the ones who carried on the Islamic knowledge of Imam Jaffar (ra)

Imam Jaffar (ra) was a renowned scientist/mathematician and Jabir b Hayan was the best student in this field.

Imam Abu Hanifa (ra) and Imam Malik (ra) were contemporaries of Imam Jaffar (ra)

Imam Jafar (ra) 83 A.H - 148 H.
Imam Abu Hanifa (ra) 80 — 148 AH
Imam Malik (ra) 93 AH – 179 AH
Imam Shafi
I (ra) 148 AH 204
Imam Ahmad ibn Hanbal 164 AH - 241 AH

Whereas Shia Fiqh books were compiled in the fourth and the fifth century of Hijrah ( well after the disappearance of 12th Shia Imam) are as follows:

Al-Kafi of Kulayni (By Ash-Shaykh Muhammad Bin Yaqoob Al-Kulayni Al-Razi d.329 A.H.)
Man La Yahzarul Faqih of Shaykh Sadooq (By Shaykh Abu Ja’far Muhammad bin Ali Bin Al-Husain Bin Babaway Al-Qummi d.381 A.H.)
Al Istibsar of Tusi (By Ash Shaykh Abu Ja’far Muhammad bin Al-Hasan At-Tusi d.460 A.H.)
Tahzeebul Ahkam of Tusi (By Ash Shaykh Abu Ja’far Muhammad bin Al-Hasan At-Tusi d.460 A.H.)
Wasa’il ush-Shi’aAl-Ḥurr Al-ʿĀmili (1033/1624 - 1104/1693)
Jame’-ul-hadith ash-Shia by Sayed Husain Al-Burujardi in 1368 A.H
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I wud hold to comment on the sunni book of hadiths.....when they came to b and who the narrate from......but u r definitely not naive enough to know the sources of compilation of these hadiths.............

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The letter 58 below clearly shows that Imam Ali (ra) was on same belief as his opponent (Hz. Mu’awiyah (ra) not iota of difference!

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A letter sent by Imam Ali (a) to the people of various provinces, giving them the causes of the Battle of Siffin. ]
Nahjul Balaagha - Letter 58**

The letter below clearly shows that Imam Ali (ra) deemed selection Hz’ Abu Bakr, Hz. Umar and Hz. Uthman (May Allah be pleased with them all) per approval and pleasure of Allah!
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Verily, those who took the oath of allegiance to Abu Bakr, Umar and Uthman have sworn allegiance to me. Now those who were present at the election have no right to go back against their oaths of allegiance and those who were not present on the occasion have no right to oppose me. And so far as Shura (limited franchise or selection) was concerned it was supposed to be limited to Muhajirs and Ansars and it was also supposed that whomsoever they selected, became caliph as per approval and pleasure of Allah. If somebody goes against such decision, then he should be persuaded to adopt the course followed by others, and if he refuses to fall in line with others, then war is the only course left open to be adopted against him and as he has refused to follow the course followed by the Muslims, Allah will let him wander in the wilderness of his ignorance and schism. **Nahjul Balaagha - Letter 6*
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u have tried this trick before knowing very well in ur heart the true character of Muawiya and the damage him and his family caused...........I will comment comprehensively on this in a short while.........God willing......

Re: Part 1:The Imams from Ahlebayt whom Shia consider to be their divinely appointed

brother nusairee, read the articles on my website, it answers each and every query of yours…

  1. We don’t know the names of all 12 caliphs mentioned in that hadeeth, but for sure they can’t be shia Imams. Because acc to authentic hadeeth of abu dawood, the father’s name of Imam mahdi will be abdullah. but the name of father of Shia mahdi was hassan askari.

  2. except 2, none of the remaining 10 shia Imams became Caliphs. Because caliph is the one who gets the authority over secular and religious issues.

  3. for hadeeth thaqlayn, then please refer this article since you are beginner :
    Explanation Of Hadith Ath-Thaqalayn | In Defense of the Aal & Ashaab

  4. And also regarding hadeeth saqlain, I would like to ask you that, why isn’t FATIMA(RA) included in the AHLEBAYT mentioned in hadeeth saqlain, according to Shias. Any explanation?

Re: Part 1:The Imams from Ahlebayt whom Shia consider to be their divinely appointed

When did I claim to be an ex-shia???!!! This is news to me.

What have you been smoking lately??
Please just show me where I have ever made such an absurd claim???!!!
Articulate your question well and Insha’Allah if I am able to I will definitely answer it.
Please don’t mix me up with someone else.

In fact the above proves my point, as it proves the Imam Abu Hanifa (ra) had access to Imam Jaffar (ra) [And he is great grandson of Hz. Abu Bakr (ra):hypo: ] and his respected father Imam Baqar (ra).

No Shia scholar can claim to have this honour!!! Keep this in mind.

Abu Hanifa (ra) and Imam Malik (ra) have valid claim for inheritance to knowledge of these noble souls.
No Shia scholar has right to this.

Of course you won’t agree due to your sectarian limitations. Viewers here are smart enough to judge for themselves.

Re: Part 1:The Imams from Ahlebayt whom Shia consider to be their divinely appointed

I don’t play tricks when discussing religion. I am not a Shia so I don’t have access to intentional/ calculated Lying (Tuqiyyah) which the Shia can use religiously.

We are not discussing Hz. Mu’awiya (ra) – I am quoting Imam Ali (ra) where he has clearly stated that Imam Ali (ra) was on same belief as his opponent (Hz. Mu’awiyah (ra) not iota of difference!

Shame you if you disagree with him.

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The thing began in this way: We and the Syrians were facing each other while we had common faith in one Allah, in the same Prophet (s) and on the same principles and canons of religion. So far as faith in Allah and the Holy Prophet (s) was concerned we never wanted them (the Syrians) to believe in anything over and above or other than what they were believing in and they did not want us to change our faith. Both of us were united on these principles. The point of contention between us was the question of the murder of Uthman. It had created the split. They wanted to lay the murder at my door while I am actually innocent of it..........
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Let me state this categorically without any doubt: There is no comparison in status/rank of Imam Ali (ra) to that of Hz. Mu’awiya (ra).

Salaam respected sister, please point out to me; for which question you are waiting for the reply for and Insha’Allah if I am able to I will definitely answer it.

Don’t you worry, she won’t have to wait. I am not a Shia and never was one so I don’t have access to intentional/ calculated Lying (Tuqiyyah) which the Shia can use religiously I will insha’Allah reply to best of my knowledge if I can.

Since you have taken me to be your Uncle, I have this right over you to put you over my lap and smack your bottom black and blue for your insolence and audacity for saying that I play games.

Grow up nephew don’t use this ploy to start insinuating other things when stumped for an answer. Now nephew if you behave I'll give you some toffees ;).

Re: Part 1:The Imams from Ahlebayt whom Shia consider to be their divinely appointed

Prophet Muhammad (saw) never named any of them so are we to start naming them. But this is certain that it doesn’t apply to Shia Imams. I believe there is a narration that Imam Mahdi (ra) will be from offspring of Imam Hassan (ra) – willing to be corrected on this.

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Uncle ibn Sadiq.......b careful as some nephews can b older than their uncles .........and if thats the case then u might have to do a bit of growing b4 u start thinking abt puting me in ur lap.....which is a disturbing thought nonetheless..........I m typing from my phone so will have to get back later.....uncle!

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bro well-wisher…u write an article to prove thu have rightly said tht I am a beginner…while u sound like a shaikh…so plz help take some time out for this beginner and help me with the simple beginners’ questions I am abt to ask u…and once u answer that then I promise to discuss all the by-topics one by one…

I will further simplify my first question and ask u to tell this student the the meaning of the term “Shia”?..what r the historians means when they say…

“A number of migrants and the Helpers refused to swear allegiance to Abu Bakr, inclined as they were to favor Ali bin Abi Taleb. Al-Abbas bin Abd al-Mutalib, Al-Fadl bin Al-Abbas, Al Zuhayr, Khalid Bin Said, Al Miqdad, Salman, Abu Dharr, Ammar (Bin yassir), Al-Bara’a, Ubayy bin Ka’b were part of this group”
–al Yaqubi -Tarikh (history) vol.2 page 114

Historian Masudi (also known as Herodotus of the Arabs) also recorded this very clearly:

"Salman Farsi was a Shi’i from the very outset, and Ammar bin Yasir was known as a Shi’i throughout his life. When Uthman was elected to the caliphate, he remarked: ‘It is not the first time you have denied the caliphate to the one deserving it!’ Abu Dharr was similarly an outstanding proponent of Shi’ism
-Al-masudi in his Muruj al-Dhahab

Re: Part 1:The Imams from Ahlebayt whom Shia consider to be their divinely appointed

This is history books of Shias, both the books you quoted were shia historians.. So its not worth pondering since we consider it to be a fabrication..

BUT yes i know that you will say even we dont believe sunni books bla bla.

So for that reason i have written a piece of article, where neither sunni reports clas nor shia. Both of us agree on that. BUT all you will need to do is, to use your common sense and be unbiased. From that we will clear this issue in a smooth manner:

So the basic question is that why did the ansars take back their claim, which initially they were fighting for, and were threatening to take away on the point of sword?

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al Masudi was a Shia too now…funny how u change things as per ur liking at ur convenience…and if shia books are fabrication then what is the basis of “your” article that is referenced with shia books…so its ok to say then that it is fabrication based on fabrications?

no

long pasted txts r seriously a no no…specially since u refuse to answer a single lines questions…

Re: Part 1:The Imams from Ahlebayt whom Shia consider to be their divinely appointed

my dear frnd if you aren’t aware of issues, then its not my fault. You can accuse me of anything due to your ignorance.

Esteemed Shia scholar Allama al-Hilli in his “Khulasat” p 186 said: [INDENT]علي بن الحسين بن علي المسعودي أبو الحسن الهذلي له كتب في الإمامة وغيرها منها كتاب في إثبات الوصية لعلي بن أبي طالب (ع) وهو صاحب كتاب مروج الذهب
“Ali ibn Hussain ibn Ali al-Masoode Abul Hasan al-Khuzali. He has a book about imamate and others, from them book in the proof of wasiyat to Ali ibn Abe Taleb (a) and he’s author of book “Muruj az-zahab”.

[/INDENT]For more info refer this link:

We believe that bible is fabricated, correct? Yet we manier times quote the bible which debating with christians, if you know the reason for this, then surely you will get the answer for your question.

btw i don’t back up my articles ONLY on Shia hadeeths, but I mostly use AUTHENTIC sunni narrations too…

ok fine.

let me summarize what i said:

Both Shias and Sunnis agree that in Saqifa the ansar who were the majority since it was their homeland, were demanding caliphate, and they even threatened that they would take it on the points of swords, And on the other hand were mujahirs who too were demanding caliphate.

Now what made the powerful Ansar take back their claim, was the reminder that PROPHET(SAW) said caliphate is only the right of QURAYSH. This reminder made them leave their demand, which at one time they were willing to take away on point of swords.

So I request you to use your common sense and realize that, if those people left their claim when they were made aware of a COMMAND OF PROPHET(SAW). then how could such people at the same time reject the command of prophet(Saw) if supposedly he made Ali(ra) the caliph on Ghadeer.?

How could those powerful people, listen to the reminder of prophet(Saw), AND LEAVE THEIR DEMAND and on the other hand neglecting the supposed command of Prophet(Saw0 give oath of allegiance to BAubakr(ra)?

Doe sit makes any sense? this historical fact shows that Ali(ra) was never declared as Caliph by Prophet(saw).

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Adding further to the above:

Indeed, if Hz. Ali (ra) was appointed Imam after Prophet’s (saw) passing away he won’t have uttered the words attributed to him in Nahjul Balagha. He was duty bound to claim his Divine appointment. He has no right to reject it or make a ‘bargain’ with it.

When people decided to Swear allegiance(1) at Amir al-mu'minin's hand after the murder of `Uthman, he said:

Leave me and seek someone else. We are facing a matter which has (several) faces and colours, which neither hearts can stand nor intelligence can accept. Clouds are hovering over the sky, and faces are not discernible. You should know that if I respond to you I would lead you as I know and would not care about whatever one may say or abuse. If you leave me then I am the same as you are. It is possible I would listen to and obey whomever you make in charge of your affairs. I am better for you as a counsellor than as chief (Amir). * * Nahjulbalagha Sermon 91**

Compare this to the Prophet’s (saw) reaction when coerced to go soft on preaching the new faith.

The Quraish polytheists went to Abu Talib, the Prophet’s (saw) uncle, and asked him to stop his nephew from preaching this new religion, which was against their ancestors’ religion. Abu Talib was distressed and told the Prophet of the grievances of his people, whereupon the Prophet said:

“O my uncle! By Allah, if they put the sun in my right hand and the moon in my left on condition that I abandoned this course, I would not abandon it until Allah has made it victorious, or I perish therein.

Re: Part 1:The Imams from Ahlebayt whom Shia consider to be their divinely appointed

Hazrat Ali (ra) said:"Two kinds of people will be damned on my account Those who form** exaggerated opinion **about me ( shia sect) and those who under-estimate me because they hate me. ( khwarijs ) "

(Nahj ul Balagha,saying:116)

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^ Your reference is wrong - It is Sermon 126

With regard to me, two categories of people will be ruined, namely he who loves me too much and the love takes him away from rightfulness, and he who hates me too much and the hatred takes him away from rightfulness. The best man with regard to me is he who is on the middle course. So be with him and be with the great majority (of Muslims) because Allah's hand (of protection) is on keeping unity. You should beware of division because the one isolated from the group is (a prey) to Satan just as the one isolated from the flock of sheep is (a prey) to the wolf. - Nahjul Balagha SERMON 126

Surely never in history have Shias ever been "the great majority (of Muslims) - Just a fringe 10% of Muslims World.

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Keep em coming boys......I m a little busy but I promise to get back to each 1 of ur posts......

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Well thanks for posting the Sermon of Hazrat Ali AS… Lets look at the following part of sermon:

The initial part of the sermon clearly states, there are people that would love Hazrat Ali AS so much that the love will take them away from rightfulness. Based on my personal observation from history there are people who loved Hazrat Ali AS so much that they claimed him to be nauzubillah God… If someone does shirk, I would question if they are even muslims… so you cannot affiliate them with nazubillah Shia’s .. The twelvers, believe Hazrat Ali AS as the first Imam after Prophet.. but don’t associate him with nazubillah God… Since we do not love Hazrat Ali AS so excessive to claim him God (Shirk taking away from Righteousness)

However I would want to point a hadith of Holy Prophet Mohammad P.B.U.H. narrated in the Sahih book:
The Messenger of Allah said: **Loving Ali is the sign of belief, and hating Ali is the sign of hypocrisy.
**Sahih Tirmidhi, volume 5, page 643
Sunan Ibn Majah, volume 1, page 142
Musnad Ahmad Ibn Hanbal volume 1, pages 84,95,128
Tarikh al-Kabir, by al-Bukhari (the author of Sahih), v1, part 1, p202

Now lets ponder on the ideology of love and hatredness, Intellectual laws of love and hatred state three things. Love your friend. Love your friend’s friend. Hate your enemy. Hate your friend’s enemy. How can i even claim to love my father or my mother, if I also love those who troubled them and abused them? Will you love your friend who abuses your righteous father? Can you claim to love your father if you equally love your uncle who over took your father’s business by crook and destroyed him financially?

Now let me ask you a question, Imam Ali AS was awarded a sword from Allah SWT called Zulfiqar. If Allah SWT, awarded Hazrat Ali with Zulfiqar, you would not expect Imam Ali AS to use it against the righteous muslims or nazubillah you won’t expect Allah SWT have his Prophet Mohammad P.B.U.H. making the love of Hazrat Ali the sign of belief if nauzubillah he was of to go on war against righteous? Similarly, I also want to quote a letter Imam Ali wrote to Mawiya which is also from the same book Nahjul Balagah:

http://www.al-islam.org/nahjul/letters/letter7.htm#letter7

If Mawiya came to war agaisnt Hazrat Ali AS and his companions in the battle of Siffin, would you call him righteou considering the love of Imam Ali AS is the sign of belief as per Sahih bookss? and if a person regards such a person as Ameer ul Momineen… would you call him sincere lover of Imam Ali AS? Just to give you an example, if you consider your dad righteous, and if a person rasises his sword against your dad. Knowing your dad is righteous, and you still support the person who come against him, would you claim that you love your dad? Now would you claim that shias fall in this category nazubillah?

Just to give you some good example just in this particular thread, a fellow guppy nazubillah claimed, there are companinons who have more virtues then Imam Ali, Imam Hassan and Imam Hussain AS… and I raised a number of questions such as

If Imam Hassan and Imam are the Chielf of the Youth of of Paradise, what is the status or position of them do people who have more virtues then them? Similarly i have quoted a few ayats on the merit of Ahleybait and have asked him to show the ayats on companions he claimed to have more virtues then these personalities… and yet he failed to answer any of them yet…

If a person make such claims and places other people over the personality whose love is sign of a believer and failed to provide justifications, would you place him on the person whose love took him away from righteousnes or the person whose hates take him away from righteousness.

Now lets look at the second part:

Let me split your highlighted section in two lines:
and be with the great majority (of Muslims)
because Allah’s hand (of protection) is on keeping unity

The second line supports the argument for the first one **(Because). **Imam Ali AS is asking his followers not to divide amongst themselves and be with the majority, not to split up in sects. Definitely, Allah himself does not like divisions.

Surely they who divided their religion into parts and became sects, you have no concern with them; their affair is only with Allah, then He will inform them of what they did. Quran [6:159]

I have tried to clarify things for you, but also in regards to your game of Stats… I am sure you must know pretty well, within Ahley Sunnah their are a number of sects.

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I am sure you must know pretty well, within Ahley Sunnah their are a number of sects.
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And i guess you don't know the fact that after the death of almost every shia Imam, a NEW SHIA SECT used to be formed. Not only this even in twelvers there are different sects. Like akhbaris, usoolis....

Re: Part 1:The Imams from Ahlebayt whom Shia consider to be their divinely appointed

Please don’t assume Shia means ONLY 12er Shia. There are other sects very distinctly apart from the other.
Shias generally Hz. love Ali (ra) and his progeny to extreme giving them Divine like qualities. Literally making them Demi-gods!!!
Details can be given if asked – you know what they are,
Shias turn to Ali (ra) and other Imams for help. All these are non-righteous beliefs.
The Shias love Ali (ra) and his progeny to extreme.

You have given wrong examples;

Suppose you had two friends or Uncles and they had an extreme friction/fighting.

You will love the one on the Right more than the other. But you won’t hate the other, dislike maybe but not hate.

This is exactly what Hz. Ali (ra) said to his party – Not to hate his opponents because they are Muslims who have rebelled against him.

All Sunnis Love Ali (ra) more that his opponents.

It was Karijites and Nawasib who hate Hz. Ali (ra) and his progeny.

Shia take all Sunnis to be Nawasib just because they don’t attribute divine qualities to Hz. Ali (ra) and his progeny.

Narrated Abu Bakr Siddiq (May Allah be pleased with him): I heard the Prophet talking at the pulpit while Al-Hasan (ra) was sitting beside him, and he (i.e. the Prophet ) was once looking at the people and at another time Al-Hasan (ra), and saying, "This son of mine is a Saiyid (i.e. chief) and perhaps Allah will bring about an agreement between two groups of the Muslims through him." (Bukhari 5.89)

Above the Prophet (saw) predicted the wars of between Muslims – and predicted that Imam hassan (ra) will bring the two warring Muslim groups into peace.

The following surah clearly states that warfare can take place between the believers.

And if two parties or groups among the believers fall to fighting, then make peace between them both, but if one of them rebels against the other, then fight you (all) against the one that which rebels till it complies with the Command of Allah; then if it complies, then make reconciliation between them justly, and be equitable. Verily! Allah loves those who are equitable. 9 Surah Al-Hujuraat (The Dwellings)

Re: Part 1:The Imams from Ahlebayt whom Shia consider to be their divinely appointed

That upset you??? – This is the standard belief of all Sunnis of any leanings Salafi/Wahabi/Brelivi/Sufi

  1. We confirm that, after the death of Allah’s Messenger, peace be upon him, the caliphate went first to Abu Bakr al-Siddiq, thus proving his excellence and superiority over the rest of the Muslims; then to Umar ibn al-Khattab; then to Uthman; and then to `Ali ibn Abi Talib; may Allah be well pleased with all of them. These are the Rightly-Guided Caliphs and upright leaders.

  2. We bear witness that the ten who were named by the Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, and who were promised the Garden by him, will be in the Garden, as the Messenger of Allah, peace be upon him, whose word is truth, bore witness that they would be. The ten are: Abu Bakr, Umar, Uthman, Ali, Talha, Zubayr, Sad, Said, Abd al-Rahman ibn Awf, and Abu Ubayda ibn al-Jarrah whose title was the Trustee of this Community, may Allah be pleased with all of them.

http://www.central-mosque.com/aqeedah/tahawi.htm

Aqeedah Tahawia (The Aqeedah (Beliefs) of Ahlus-Sunnah) Imam Abu Ja`far al-Tahawi:

Now you tell me who has always been in overwhelming Majority? You have clearly failed to address 90% of Believers (Sunni Muslim) unless you do not consider them to be Muslims thus out of your equation.

Shias have always been a very small minority in Muslims about 10%

It was less so – nearly 5% until in 15th century Safavids with brutal force of arms and slaughter imposed Shiaism on Sunni Iran!!!

Pre-Safavid Iran

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Within Ahlus Sunnah wal Jamaa there are different schools of thought but fundamental beliefs are same.

Despite mutual disputes and recriminations all Sunnis can and do pray behind each other and share the same masjids accept the few hardcore ones.

You erroneously portray Shia as one solid block. Either intentionally or through shear lack of knowledge.

Sects within Shias. These sects do not have same fundamentals.

5ers Zaidis etc these are further split up

7ers Ismailis these are further split up Aga Khanis and Bohras

12ers these are further split up Usulis Akbaris

These shia sects do not share same prayer places and not even calling them as masjids rather Imambargahs or Jamaat Khanas!!!