Re: Panama case Final round - NS disqualified (Updated)
The same 5 jokers were your heroes when they gave a 3-2 verdict in sharifs favor, PMLN was distributing sweetsr. But when the same 5 jokers came back wiht a 5-0 verdict against him, they became villains. I guess You were looking for Justice Qayuum style judges who pass judgments and sentences based on phone calls from Sharifs.
The same generals were your heroes when they were nurturing Sharif in establishment’s embryo…and turned villains when the tables were turned. I have to say, I stopped being amazed at PMLN followers after I heard this statement the first time from a ‘nawazi’ a few years ago. “80 khaata hai to 20 lagata bhi to hai”.
Re: Panama case Final round - NS disqualified (Updated)
saleem sahib,
no doubt, there are good people around us but mostly they are seen as anomaly from the common norm of corruption. I cannot say where and when did it start but haramkhori has been a trait pretty common AT ALL LEVELS. even the lower class is no exception.
Re: Panama case Final round - NS disqualified (Updated)
Dont know what constitutes haram in your eyes but I guess people earning a living where they have to lie and cheat is haram income. No doubts there are exceptions but majority population is engaged in lieing and cheating and actually alot more than that hence their income is haram.
Re: Panama case Final round - NS disqualified (Updated)
[RIGHT]ویسے تو نوازشریف کی ریلی میں ریسکیو 1122 کی کم و بیش 6 گاڑیاں شامل ہیں، اس کے علاوہ سرکاری ایمبولینسز کی تعداد بھی نصف درجن کے لگ بھگ ہے، لیکن اس کے ساتھ ساتھ 2 ’ سپیشل پرپز ’ جدید ایمبولینسز بھی شامل ہیں جن میں سے ایک وہی گاڑی ہے جو حسین نواز کی جے آئی ٹی پیشی کے موقع پر طبیعت بگڑجانے پر بلائی گئی تھی۔ ان جدید ایمبولینسز میں فرسٹ ایڈ سے لے کر جان بچانے کے تمام ضروری آلات اور ماہر ڈاکٹرز موجود ہیں۔آج نوازشریف کی پروٹوکول گاڑی تلے کچلے جانے والے بچے کے ورثا کا کہنا ہے کہ پہلے گاڑی اس بچے کی ٹانگ سے گزری، ہم نے جب شور مچایا تو بجائے رکنے کے، وہ بچے کا سر اور پیٹ کچلتی ہوئی آگے بڑھ گئی۔ اس کے پیچھے ایمبولینسز بھی موجود تھیں، انہیں رکنے کا اشارہ کیا لیکن وہ بھی رکے بغیر آگے بڑھ گئیں ۔ ۔ ۔جب سے اس حرامزادے نوازشریف کو سپریم کورٹ نے نااہل قرار دیا ہے، اس کا رونا ختم نہیں ہورہا، جیسے اس کے ساتھ کتنا بڑا ظلم اور زیادتی ہوگئی۔
پوچھو جا کر زرا اس شہید ہونے والے بچے کے ورثا سے کہ ظلم کیا ہوتا ہے، زیادتی کیا ہوتی ہے!!! بقلم خود باباکوڈا
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Re: Panama case Final round - NS disqualified (Updated)
Brothers, please read carefully:
Haram and Halal is Islamic terms, so, in that sense you are right. Though, in strict Islamic sense, you are wrong.
Even in Islam, Haram and Halal depends on situation and circumstances. For instance, if a person has nothing to eat than Haram food becomes halal. There is one historical event, where during the time of Umar (RA), Muslim world had famine, and during this time, Islamic law on stealing was suspended/withheld, because for some, stealing to survive became necessity.
Actually, if you learn about true Islam (that is also general principle of just law), you will find that, many things may be crime but if done due to necessity or forcible circumstances, than it is not haram (or is forgivable sin). Forget minor sins or crimes, even killing due to accident or in self-defence is forgivable.
It shows that if a person break laws because of necessity or due to forcible circumstances, than on paper it might be sin or breaking of law, but as far as Islam is concerned, one can expect that Allah would forgive such accesses and thus one should avoid calling that (strictly) haram.
It means … and that is what I believe and wrote above, is that … if a person has to lie, cheat, steal or deceive… for survival living, than I would not call that haram (though it all depend, against whom such accesses was done) … rather, even for such situation where people have to lie, cheat, steal or deceive for survival living than the responsibility lies with those ruling and doing corruption in the country … where corruption (by default) means misusing state power entrusted to people, and they use that entrusted power to enrich, misuse and promote themselves … take commission, take bribes and do nepotism.
In most cases, we cannot call civilians haramkhor because a civilian can do crime but cannot do corruption (default meaning of the word). Thus, you can call civilian a criminal (chor, daku, daghabaz, cheat, Liar, etc, etc), but you cannot call civilian a corrupt (Haramkhor). It is duty of government (politicians in power) to make stringent laws against such crimes and state (people employed by state … bureaucrats, police, intelligence, NAB, judiciary, erc) to implement that laws to eliminate crimes from the country, punishing criminals.
Unfortunately, when government (politicians in power) do not make laws or keep loophole in laws … plus state employees (civil or government servants) do not try to eliminate crimes in country, rather these people themselves do corruption (Haramkhori), then it is because of these Haramkhors country goes into misery and hardship … that causes necessity and forcible circumstances for citizens to cheat, lie, deceive and steal … just to survive.
You should also recognise that whatever civilians does, they cannot do crime against the nation (they are not mujrim of nation, but they could be mujrim of individuals … other civilians). On the other hand, a corrupt (person who misuse state power entrusted to them), they do crime against whole nation (are mujrim of entire nation). … Reason is simple, that is, nation has not entrusted civilian with any state power … so civilian cannot use state power to benefit himself … other then through government (state or civil) servants, hence whatever they do, they are not Mujrim of entire Nation. As for government (or state or civil) servants, they use power entrusted to them by nation for personal gains (take bribe, commission, grab plots, misuse power, misuse state machinery for person gain, do nepotism, etc, etc). … hence, they are Mujrim of entire Nation.
Now, I hope you understand (or would try to understand) who I am calling Haramkhors and why it is only they who are Haramkhors.
Re: Panama case Final round - NS disqualified (Updated)
O plzz CS. Really? You are going to use all these cusswords here just cuz you dont like someone or disagree? Please edit your post yourself and remove the abusive words. Thanks.
Re: Panama case Final round - NS disqualified (Updated)
^^ Well in the spirit of 14th August and to match some others here I have decided to use cuss words to bring a balance of opinion. I know i shouldnt but if certain some one keep calling Nawaz Sharif certain words, a balance is needed. Its for the silent majority that reads and dont post and vote. So thats why
Re: Panama case Final round - NS disqualified (Updated)
Selection of the words can not be appriciated but the facts can force anyone to use the bad language
If the judges failed to find anything in law , they were not supposed to use business terms .
An example
All government servants including judges have some deduction in their pays and receive that with some enhance after retirement , That amount is ‘recieveable’ anytime but it is normally received after retirement , No one shows it in their annual declaration even pays no income-tax on that .
This judgement is cheap and the way opted was more cheap .
Re: Panama case Final round - NS disqualified (Updated)
These are open deductions and tax department knows it. I think you are talking about GPF. This amount is tax deductible as long you don’t touch it. As soon you take out part of such amount before retirement you have to pay taxes. This is not unlawful or hiding the money. It is your money and you earned it by performing certain duties.
Accept the fact that NS and his family are proved Lahori thugs who stole the wealth of Pakistan and laundered it to outside of the country. They have been caught red handed, hence they have to be punished according to the laws of country.
If Zardari do not support these thugs, a NAB reference has been re-opened against Zardari, will be heard daily.
Re: Panama case Final round - NS disqualified (Updated)
Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
Once there was a PM
A PM elected three times
And you forgot him , It is few days ago
[RIGHT]کسی کو یاد ہے
یہ کبهی وزیراعظم بهی ہوتا تھا
بڑی جلدی بهول گئے
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