Re: US Forces Pursue Taliban into Pakistan
Marney do yar taliboonoon ko, tension kai ko leta hai?
Re: US Forces Pursue Taliban into Pakistan
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Pursue Taliban into Pakistan
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from Afghanistan in the first place.
Seems to me that neither the Kabul govt, or the NATO and US forces with all their military hardware can stop these Taliban from escaping into Pakistani territories. For their uther failures we always get the bad rep.
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They are in already..no surprise, i remember reading a report awhile back in which an American intelligence agency person boasted about how they now had deep access in Pakistans nuclear programme.
Ultimately when ou keep compromising on the basis of opportunism alone you eventually end up like the man kicked out of the tent by the camel.
The core challenge is to a nations self respect and it’s very soul. These may seem unimportant issues to people who are not affected by them directly or by people who get easily impressed by 10 billion in forex reserves..but call me old fashioned i agree with what a brilliant constitutional Pakistani lawyer said once..
money is lost nothing is lost
courage is lost much is lost
honour is lost most is lost
soul is lost all is lost](http://www.humsafar.info/int_chr.htm)
Re: Pakistan’s uncanny ability to produce a new arrest …
Haris the reality is people unite behind a leaders vision (whether that vision is one of uncompromising belief or one of vacilating opportunism). If the GIs did walk in would it surprise you if a chunk of the people struck a deal just as Musharraf once did? My personal belief about when nations deal with superpowers is this..keep them at arms length. In the end it is dangerous to be Americas enemy but it is lethal to be it’s friend (terms and conditions apply, countries that begin with I and end with L are an exception)
On a side note as I mentioned elsewhere, the yanks are already in Pakistan in one form or the other the issue is they are getting fed up of staying in the shadows.
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Zakk,
Great quotation. Sadly, we are at the third stage. hopefully, we can arrest the slide before we reach the fourth stage.
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Seems to me that neither the Kabul govt, or the NATO and US forces with all their military hardware can stop these Taliban from escaping into Pakistani territories. For their uther failures we always get the bad rep.
Bhai, you have a great ability to spin the news. You should join ISPR. Seriously.
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your not the only one who has noticed his detachment from the reality on the ground
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I understand your pessimism, it is shared by most living in Pakistan
However I don't think US will invade militarily,mainly because they are tied down in Iraq. The most painful way is to hit our economy, as they can easily do.They have been holding it up since 9/11 and can drop it at any time.
Only those blinded by foollish patriotism think that we are independent enough and strong enough to withstand this kind pf pressure.
The sad reality.
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IMO, we need to be balanced in our analysis. Things seem gloomy on the security front for sure but Pakistan has moved a long way economically since the 90s. My relatives and friends circle that are in Pak are actually more prosperous and optimistic economically, although the insecurity is still there. However much credit Musharraf may get and despite US aid factor, his economic stewardship since 1999 is praiseworthy for the most part. Jusy my 2 cents.
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When a state trooper is chasing a criminal and he reaches the state border, should he stop and let that goon endanger other lives? no, i say let him follow and catch the lunatic.
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Bhai, I don’t have to spin anything or even get personal like you. It’s all in the little news piece you posted - these Taliban are being chased from Afghanistan into Pakistan. Now tell me if the Afghans, NATO, US forces cannot control these Taliban from fleeing Afghanistan, then why come crying to Pakistan? Then Afghanistan’s government is made up of warlords, drug barons, terrorists, and other assorted criminals - that is a fact, not spin - check link below.
http://www.paklinks.com/gs/showthread.php?t=245764
Again it is Karzai, NATO and US commaders that have day to day dealings with these people, then they have the nerve to accuse us of allowing terrorists from our territories? The only terrorists seeking any sanctuary in our country are those they pursued into our lands from Afghanistan.
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However I don't think US will invade militarily,mainly because they are tied down in Iraq. The most painful way is to hit our economy, as they can easily do.They have been holding it up since 9/11 and can drop it at any time.
Only those blinded by foollish patriotism think that we are independent enough and strong enough to withstand this kind pf pressure.
The sad reality.
oh yeah, would the allama sitting in pakistan explain how we survived 99-01?
When Dick Cheney Talks, Pakistan Listens
For all those thinking coincidence…
http://blogs.abcnews.com/theblotter/2007/03/when_dick_chene.html
When Dick Cheney Talks, Pakistan Listens
March 02, 2007 12:43 PM
Brian Ross and Habibullah Khan Report:
Pakistan intelligence sources say a second high-ranking Taliban leader has been taken into custody, as the country appeared to be responding to Vice
President Dick Cheney’s showdown meeting with Pakistani President Pervez Musharraf.
Pakistani officials told ABC News the new arrest also took place in Quetta, where on Monday, the former Taliban defense minister was arrested just hours after Cheney had left the country.
Pakistani officials identified him as Amir Khan Haqqani, a Taliban commander for Zabul province.
**“Isn’t it amazing how quickly they were able to find these men?” scoffed one intelligence source familiar with the Cheney meeting.:halo: **
Pakistani officials say both men were arrested at the same Quetta hotel, Gul Pak Hotel, based on information provided by the United States.
CIA Deputy Director Stephen R. Kappes accompanied Vice President Cheney to the meeting with Musharraf and reportedly presented “compelling evidence” of the resurgence of Taliban and al Qaeda training camps inside Pakistan.
U.S. officials say Cheney and Kappes also focused on the presence of known Taliban leaders operating in Pakistani cities.
Pakistani intelligence officials say Kappes provided the whereabouts of three Taliban figures in and around Quetta, but the third person “slipped out” before authorities could arrest him.
The failure of Musharraf to go after Taliban leaders has been a sore point with the United States for several years.
One arm of the Pakistani intelligence service, the ISI, is known to have been close to Taliban leaders before the U.S. invasion in 2001, and U.S. officials say that close relationship has continued.
Defectors taken into custody in Afghanistan have claimed the ISI was protecting top Taliban figures as well as Osama bin Laden.
Pakistan has denied those allegations as “absurd.”
Re: When Dick Cheney Talks, Pakistan Listens
USA can keep whinning.
Re: Pakistan’s uncanny ability to produce a new arrest …
An unbiased look at our history will tell us that the Army has been Pakistan’s biggest enemy. It usurped democracy, contributed heavily to the separation of East Pakistan, introduced jihadism, made Pakistan lose credibility during Kargil, AQ Khan scandal and now by providing shelter to Taliban and lying about it.
The facts speak for themselves in the end.
-Our uncanny ability to turn up some terrorist leader or bomb a terror training camp only when some American official visits
-The control of Taliban in Waziristan and other tribal areas is a known fact. They routinely behead so called American spies, stone people on supposed crimes, intimidate people, and issue decrees calling everything haraam. Many suicide bombers have also been trained in these areas. In turn, our army has a peace deal with them. I don’t know what kind of peace this is?
-There is well documented evidence of Taliban fighters in the hundreds crossing the border to fight in Afghanistan while our border guards look the other way. Musharraf himself admitted this.
-Taliban fighters wounded in battle routinely receive medical treatment in Quetta hospitals. A few were even arrested from there after a story broke on this.
-Our madrassahs are known hotbeds of terrorism and continue to support Taliban through words and deeds. It is not a stretch to imagine Taliban leaders sitting in madrassahs and ISI safe houses enjoying tea and biscuits.
-The only time the army takes any action is when it is pressured by either the media or America. Otherwise, it is happy with the status quo of Taliban virtually ruling Western Pakistan and Afghanistan.
Americans have their own interests, but our interests are nothing but trying to deceive everyone and that too so amateurishly. Not everyone in the world is a fool. Pakistanis love to blame the media about why our image is so bad around the world, but it’s not the media’s fault, it’s based on reality that the media takes and magnifies. We have to change the reality of our dishonest, double crossing, and lying generals. Until that happens, the army deserves all the bad publicity they get. Unfortunately, Pakistan’s name also gets dragged down because of this incompetent army.
On one hand you all want to see a progressive and economically strong Pakistan, but some of you can’t seem to understand that the world is not going to keep doing business with a country where Taliban have free reign to run around behead people.
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Hiding in a hotel? Are we too really believe that the ISI does not have enough resources to check the guest list in a hotel or tap some phones? The third guy who "slipped out" will likely be bought out during the next American visit. From what I can tell, ISI is really an enemy of Pakistan.
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Yeah. It does sound like our guys had the Taliban teletubbies in safe houses and got busted this time. The first rule of covert ops is don’t get caught. The second rule says follow Rule #1. In today’s day of satellites and electronic gizmos, do our spooks think that they can hide active insurgents from Americans? Sheesh.
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Things are not looking good for Pakistan. US media has increased its coverage of Pakistan's inability to control its border. Common theme emerging is that Mush has no control over elements of the army and ISI. Robert Baer, the CIA operative who worked in NWFP, was a guest on Chris Matthews' Hardball (MSNBC) today and claimed that Mush has lost control of border areas and "parts of Karachi". I don't know how much truth there is to "parts of Karachi" comment. Something this guy said is unheard of in the media yet which was to "send Condi to Tehran" to negotiate eye-ran's cooperation in controlling both Afg and eye-rack. In his estimation, eye-ran is the key to controlling both countries.
Few days, Newsweek's Richard Wolfe appeared on Oddball w/Keith Olbermann and implied that Mush is dragging his feet. He also mentioned that Benazir claims that opposition from religous parties is a farce concocted by Mush.
If the rumors are true and the number of miscreants crossing and finding safe haven in Pakistan is rising, Mush got two immeidate problems:
a. maintaining law order in Pakistan and keeping the country from spiralling into a chaos of violence and lawlessness.
b. defending the country's territorial integrity.
I see very tough times ahead for Pakistan.
Re: US Forces Pursue Taliban into Pakistan
Billy,
Nothing personal meant, so apologies if any feelings are hurt. What I'm saying is that your interpretation is funny and kinda out of context. That's all.