Pakistan's top judge is suspended (Merged)

[Flame_of_Life]

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@Sa1eem

Actually it seems that people in Pakistan have never heard the word ‘suspension’ and ‘enquiry’

ok u just lost all ur credibility with that..all that pakistanis EVER hear abt is great enquiries and grand plans…so the suggestion that we never heard about enquiries tells me u r out of sync

[Saad_UAE]

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I am truly amazed how you guys are so hooked up with " Dictator of the Time" getting away with the Law but no body wants to cry on the Corruption aspects of this issue....Why would a CJ appoint his son who secures 16 out of 100 marks to the police department(that's a small example of the wrong doing there are many others).....??? Regarding slapping etc etc....Why would this CJ resist the police when he has been suspended & put under a house arrest???

[Saad_UAE]

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@Flame_of_Life

ok u just lost all ur credibility with that..all that pakistanis EVER hear abt is great enquiries and grand plans…so the suggestion that we never heard about enquiries tells me u r out of sync

Ok…you have lost your credibility a long time back,when you started siding with a corrupt person…who has been suspended & being investigated

[Mr_Fraudia]

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getting personal every now and than is different to getting personal in every post. Yes if done repeatedly than it does mean that the argument is lost.

so getting personal in the same thread every so often means that teh argument is partially lost? is there a formula? merci

[ehsan]

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^There is no formula because it is not a science but if you can't argue your point and have to resort to personal attacks most of the time than doesn't say much about your point of view or your argument. Does it?

[TheRealDeal]

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@Saad_UAE

If you have been is USA or some other country ,you would be put in a JAIL for resisting the Law Agents…You do not RESIST the Police…It’s just like passively attacking them…But how come CJ who is supposedly sitting on the high seat of rightness would understand the laws of civilized…Those acts of corruption has blinded him & his supporters…

LOL, as if US officers would dare lay their hands on a US Supreme Court Justice

As if the US Army chief would dare overthrow the elected leader, then dimiss the Chief Justice

Great example, fantastic arguments you are bringing to the table!

[TheRealDeal]

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I am truly amazed how you guys are so hooked up with " Dictator of the Time" getting away with the Law but no body wants to cry on the Corruption aspects of this issue....Why would a CJ appoint his son who secures 16 out of 100 marks to the police department(that's a small example of the wrong doing there are many others).....??? Regarding slapping etc etc....Why would this CJ resist the police when he has been suspended & put under a house arrest???

Digging a deeper hole for yourself.

Using connections,politcial or personal, to get a family member a govt job is the norm in Pakistan, not that u know what goes on in Pakistan

[Saad_UAE]

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^ And then people like yourself support these idiots.....I am digging the hole ..ok...well you are already sitting in it & now pray for your idol,he is not going anywhere other then jail.Besides this is not using the connection ...this is cheating...I am sure his son went into medical college the same way..

[Sa1eem]

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@Flame_of_Life

ok u just lost all ur credibility with that..all that pakistanis EVER hear abt is great enquiries and grand plans…so the suggestion that we never heard about enquiries tells me u r out of sync

I will not argue with you. It seems that if I would argue, I would have to explain all impressions and expressions of words and phrases I use (used) in my posts (even though, they are all normal English phrases).

Only thing I would like YOU to think of is the meaning of the word ‘It seems’ :). I hope that you know the meaning and why this phrase is used.

It is because, when a person uses the word ‘it seems’ it means that a person is making comment on reaction of others when they hearing something (or encountering something). It is phrase that shows what one see (or observe) in others.

It seems that you have never seen or eaten banana does not mean that you did not ever saw or ate banana, it only means that your reaction when seeing or eating banana is not normal, and that you are confused about banana. That’s all

For instance, what I wrote was that when Pakistanis hear the word ‘suspension’ or word ‘enquiry’ there reaction, their understanding of these words, their translation of these words, all are not what these words really mean. (Read my post again and try to understand it).

[Khehkeshan]

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Saad_USA, the Iftikhar Chaudry may be the most corrupt human being in the history of the world. He still deserves a fair trial. If he can't get one, what hope is their for a chaprasi to get a fair trial in this country.

Saleem, I think judges and lawyers likely do know what those words mean.

[Sa1eem]

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Saad_USA, the Iftikhar Chaudry may be the most corrupt human being in the history of the world. He still deserves a fair trial. If he can't get one, what hope is their for a chaprasi to get a fair trial in this country.

** Saleem, I think judges and lawyers likely do know what those words mean**.

Well, it doss not seem so. Else, there would have been no (if any) hue and cry on chief justice being referred for enquiry and suspended, especially when story of his nepotism came on surface in media. In such situation, I believe that suspension and enquiry is most desirable, so that Pakistan can have a chief justice that is not tainted.

Actually, looking at all this hue and cry in Pakistan over suspension and enquiry, a person starts questioning why? Seeing all this, the only answer comes in mind is that chief justice must be really corrupt (nepotism is also corruption) and guilty of misconduct, and thus under the threat of enquiry, to derail the enquiry, all this hue and cry is created by those having sympathy with chief justice (his corruption, nepotism and misconduct) and want to help chief justice from getting away with enquiry.

** To me, an honest person would not mind suspension and enquiry, especially when such news on his misconduct, nepotism, and corruption has already got published in media. **

Chief Justice should not have been worried about injustice in enquiry, as enquiry is getting done by his own fellow brother eminent judges of High Court and Supreme Court (not Pervaiz Musharraf or con-men in parliament (aka Parliamentarians). Obviously, one have to trust those judges, as all those judges are very experience judges and have heard cases of ordinary Pakistanis since long time. If those judges are not reliable then what chief justice was doing with them while in office (this chief justice is there as CJ since 2005 and if any of the judges in SJC are unreliable, this CJ should have acted on them long time ago).

Thus, there are no excuses with CJ and his supports that they are trying to shy away from enquiry, other then that they believe that CJ is guilty and thus they are scared that CJ under enquiry would be found guilty, so make hue and cry. It is obvious that all that are demanding no enquiry for CJ are scared, because they are corrupt themselves and feel that if CJ can be enquired, they are also not safe in future.

Other possibility regarding some making hue and cry could be that apart of trying to save a corrupt person, it is possible that these lawyers, politicians, and ex-judges do not know the meaning of ‘enquiry’ and ‘suspension’ (I mean, in its correct context) and thus they are behaving as they are.

I hope that CJ comes out clean (and if not, he deserve to be sacked) as having a tainted CJ in office is worse then having tainted person in any other office of power, but as it is going on and the way CJ and his supporters are acting before enquiry started, it does not seem that CJ is innocent.

[Mr_Fraudia]

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^There is no formula because it is not a science but if you can't argue your point and have to resort to personal attacks most of the time than doesn't say much about your point of view or your argument. Does it?

No master ji.. :(

sar jhuka kar kamray say nikal jata hai

[GenSec]

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Pervez Elahi... what an ass -- just saw his interview on geo... how do ppl like this make it to the top? anghootachap jahil

[Mr_Fraudia]

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what did mausoof share with the airwaves this time

[GenSec]

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what did mausoof share with the airwaves this time

"Hain jee? Haan jee? Nai jee asay nai,, asay.. "
"dekhain jee cheif justice ko chahiye aram se wait karain unko puri sahoolat di jai gi"
basically he bull****ted the whole interview and had no clue about what he was trying to say...

[Iconoclast]

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I am truly amazed how you guys are so hooked up with " Dictator of the Time" getting away with the Law but no body wants to cry on the Corruption aspects of this issue....Why would a CJ appoint his son who secures 16 out of 100 marks to the police department(that's a small example of the wrong doing there are many others).....??? Regarding slapping etc etc....Why would this CJ resist the police when he has been suspended & put under a house arrest???

Perhaps it will come as a surprise to you that people, opposing suspension and house arrest of CJ are doing it bcoz they feel (and these include 90% of Pakistanis) is to cover up its own corruption.

CJ had stopped privitization of Steel Mill which our Prime Minister wanted to hand over to his friends in Habib Group.
CJ was taking notice of disappearance of people who are in gov custody and are being denied basic human rights.
CJ did not assure President of his support for "uniform".

Had corruption been so important to Mush, he wud have followed the cases of his own ministers who have references against them in NAB, like Faisal Saleh Hayat and Sher Pao. He shud have taken action against people who had turned PIA into third class airline.

If measures against nepotism were applied across the board on everyone, i wud have supported it.

[Iconoclast]

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Top lawyers refuse to plead govt case

Not only that former law minister and eminent lawyer** Fakhur-ud-Din G Ibrahim and S.M Zafar have refused to fight the case but the Attorney General for Pakistan, Makhdoom Ali Khan **has also made it clear to the Supreme Judicial Council (SJC) that he was not representing the govt in the proceedings, sources pointed out.

http://nation.com.pk/daily/mar-2007/15/index2.php

[Iconoclast]

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Media managers have reportedly long ceased, for fear of inciting his wrath, placing negative comment before the president, whose arrogance has expanded frighteningly since he took over in 1999.

[Saad_UAE]

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^ So what's your solution...Bring back the CJ....What would be his credibility then???

[Xcom_Cheetah]

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http://politicalpak istan.blogspot. com/2007/ 03/why-is- cj-in-trouble. html

**The Military
**In December 2005 the CJ took a suo moto action on the illegal abduction of scores of Pakistani citizens. Many of the detentions were related to the anti-Musharraf insurgency in Balochistan, where a secret agency was accused of abducting hundreds of youths.

Previously relatives of the missing people would file writs of habeas corpus in the courts. The judges would then formally request the Interior Ministry for information. Characteristically, the ministry would reply that the secret agencies had no clue as to the person’s whereabouts, and the matter would end there.

The Chief Justice changed all this by diligently following up these cases and compelling the authorities to trace the missing citizens. As a result, many missing people suddenly reappeared in the strangest of circumstances; many of them accusing the secret agencies of incarcerating and torturing them. The CJ then put the cat among the pigeons by ordering these agencies to appear in court in front of him.

It was perhaps the first time that the powers of these near omnipotent military agencies had been challenged in Pakistan and obviously they and their masters would not have at all been pleased.

**The Bureaucracy and Government Politicians **
In December 2006 the Supreme Court declared a land grab in Gwadar of 1000s of acres illegal. It ruled that the Islamabad’s handpicked Balochistan government was not at all competent to allocate quota for allotment of Gwadar lands to politicians, ministers, MNAs, MPAs, Senators, higher civil bureaucracy and provincial Judiciary without having a proper legislation.

The court also concluded that in view of the glaring illegalities in allotment of land in Gwadar all similar petitions would be given an early date of hearing upon the consent of the Chief Justice.

In another case of public interest, the Supreme Court took the unusual step of blocking bureaucratic shenanigans by citing the fundamental rights of the public enshrined in the Constitution. In this particular case the court cancelled a lucrative lease of a public park in Islamabad owned by the Capital Development Authority (CDA) which was to be converted into a mini golf club. One can imagine the distress of the bureaucrats to discover that there was such thing as ‘fundamental rights of the public’ and that it could be used against them in all their future dealings.

Shaukat Aziz and his Corpocrats
Late last year the Chief Justice cancelled the much publicized privatization of Pakistan Steel Mills which was being sold to Arif Habib and his associates. The billionaire stock market operator Habib is believed to be close acquaintance of Shaukat Aziz. The detailed judgement exposed a number of legal violations, lapses, omissions and commissions committed by the Privatisation Commission and the Cabinet Committee of Privatisation contrary to the law promulgated by the regime itself. Shaukat Aziz is believed to have been furious at this Supreme Court decision because he headed the Cabinet Committee of Privatisation which had attempted to rush through the sale of the steel mill.

Two days before his house arrest the Chief Justice had directed that the chairman of the Central Board of Revenue (CBR) and the Secretary for Finance be made respondents to a case against inflated prices of petroleum products, along with the Secretary for Petroleum, the Oil and Gas Regulatory Authority chairman, the Oil Companies Advisory Committee and eight heads of the major oil companies in Pakistan.

And now to the most important part.

Musharraf

A few days after Musharraf’s publicly expressed his wish to allow kite flying during Basant the CJ defied him by upholding a decision to ban kite-flying because of the large number of deaths that were caused annually as a result of the razor-sharp kite flying strings.

This act of open judicial defiance, taken together with the ‘Missing Persons’ case, must have caused loud alarm bells to ring in the General’s head.

2007 is a vital year for Musharraf. He has not only to get ‘re-elected’ as President but general elections also have to be held.

Right now Musharraf probably has a Plan A, a Plan B and a fallback Plan C for the coming general elections.

Plan A- a heavily rigged election in which PML(Q) emerges as a majority party. This will undoubtedly lead to dozens of legal challenges to the Supreme Court

Plan B – a deal with Benazir Bhutto and her PPP. However to date despite ‘on and off’ negotiations such a compromise is still up in the air.

Plan C- declaring a national emergency and postponing elections for a year. This can also be challenged in the Supreme Court.
As far as his plans for ‘re-elections’ go they are just as dependent on a pliable Supreme Court.

Plan E – Get re-elected by the existing parliament. Once again this will keep the Supreme Court busy interpreting its constitutional validity.

Plan D – Getting re-elected after the general election as part of a deal with Benazir Bhutto.
Even so there will always be the sticky issue about the uniform, which has to constitutionally come off by the end of 2007.

So Musharraf will remain largely hostage to any number of decisions that can emanate from the Supreme Court. This has never really worried previous military dictators as they ensured that the judges of the constitutional court remain malleable. However this does not appear to be the case when you happen to have an activist Chief Justice of the Supreme Court.

So CJ Iftikar Muhammad Chaudhry simply had to go!