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M2K would agree with me.. he's more like a brother to me.. Arabs have lot of expectations from us.
Luv to see over here......If M2K supports his uninformed brother or the facts !!
HE HE
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M2K would agree with me.. he's more like a brother to me.. Arabs have lot of expectations from us.
Moin, all I have to say is please visit Saudi Arabia for Hajj or Umrah and see how the custom officials treat you
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first and foremost m2k is only representing the israeli point of view.
the fact is diplomatic relations with uk and the rest of the world are of paramount importance to pakistan. more important then the current rushdie situation, this shouldnt be dragged into a diplomatic brawl because it would hurt pakistan.
the fact remains the decision to grant rushdie a knighthood is not a good move considering the known consequences (ie effigies, protests, extremist potential). the fact remains the decision was taken in full knowledge of this.
i know many of you are quick to jump off the desi boat at times like this, but to not even question decisions like this is guranteeing further contempt from other cultures.
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This is pathetic monarchy in the first place. Actually, all monarchs are pathetic including the ones in Muslim world. Who gives a S**t about this knighthood? If queen wants this kind of sissy knight then she can have him. I know I don't care. These British monarchs are nothing but thieves who stole from the world and legitimized themselves as kings and queen or queers.
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first and foremost m2k is only representing the israeli point of view.
First and foremost I am representing the Islamic point of view
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Mullahs once again prove themselves to be the biggest idiots. They will wail and cry over words spoken or written but will shy away from condemning misdeeds being committed in Pakistan today. I hope this doesn't turn into another Dutch cartoon issue, where Pakistanis under influence of mullahs will burn their own property.
And this Zia jr Ejaz-ul-Haq should go ahead and strap bombs on his own self and do the deed.
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^^ this stupid comment alone should get this idiot expelled from the parliament
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M2K bhaijaan, I have never visited Saudi All my life- 2 of my own brothers live in Jeddah and Riyadh respectively but they are happily married and we don’t talk much yaar. Last I spoke to them was like 4-5 years ago when they came to Pakistan. A lot of ppl on this forum are discussing about the Arabs treating Pakistani bad- kuch tu sachai honi chahiye aapki baaton mein :nono3:
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Just mediocre material and worldly accolades.
If you kick a Sir Knight in the nuts, he will fall down and roll up into a ball of useless human flesh.
If you kick a non-Sir Knight in the nuts, he too will fall down and roll up into a ball of useless human flesh.
Moral of the story, protect your family jewels weather youre a knight or not.
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And this Zia jr Ejaz-ul-Haq should go ahead and strap bombs on his own self and do the deed.
Its about time, really.
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To achieve a knighthood and be honored for great works of literature , art or other accomplishments in life is truly magnificent.
Personally, I am proud to Salman Rushdie as been recognized for his contributions and I am scratching my head at all the nasty and nefarious condemenations bestowed upon a writer who has done nothing but enlightened and entertained with his works.
It seems there are people who have never read any of his works and are again spewing hatred and condemnation giving rise to much that is being polluted and spoiled within Islam by the ignorant extremist mentality.
As a proud muslim I take this opportunity to express my esteemed admiration that he is respected by many great writers and has contributed positively to society and has achieved great honors and respect.
It is great to see a person of muslim faith today be esteemed by international scholars.
Uber/Unter-alles
- If u condemn Holocaust you can get jailed for it.
- If u malign Christianity u can get away with it because most of them have turned atheist.
But for Us 'Muslims', it is part of our faith to respect all of the prophets but our faith can not be complete until we prefer\love Muhammad (PBUH) over our own life.
I can't understand can we become so insensitive/ indiffernt to this kind of posts.
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And this Zia jr Ejaz-ul-Haq should go ahead and strap bombs on his own self and do the deed.
I don't like to hear anything bad about Zia-Ul-Haq please.. here's this man who showed us our identity- taught us how to live and here are you condemning him and his son left and right.. whats their crime- instill good Islamic values in all of us?? If thats a crime, so be it.
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Exactly....
A couple of years back in my University, Irshad Manji came for a speech after releasing her book, "the trouble with Islam".
Anyways, a lot of guys from MSA were all huffing and puffing that they are going to destroy Irshad Manji in the Q&A session.
All of them lost every single argument.
We need intellectuals in our societies who can openly challenge these people. The best way to protest against people like Salman Rushdie or Irshad Manji is to educate yourself in Islam and philosophy and debate them and defeat them there.
Rioting, burning effigies, uttering death threats, threatening suicide attacks only makes look like intolerant savages.
And people wonder why there is Islamaphobia in the world.
I highly esteem Irshad Manji , an example of an educated moderate , modern muslim who questions issues and social-religious dogma in a modern society where civility, humanity and tolerance is still being shackled and hindered by the so-called interpreters of and conversationalists with 'god'.
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Sorry Moin I agree with Khehkeshan over here…
How credible the Pakistani ministers and religious leaders are? Pakistan’s Religious Affairs Minister Ejaz-ul-Haq told parliament: “If someone commits suicide bombing to protect the honour of the Prophet Mohammad, his act is justified.” http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/6763119.stm ]
Ejaz-ul-Haq is a notorious Islamic hardliner, and the son of former Pakistani dictator General Zia ul-Haq, who started the process of “Islamization” in Pakistan http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zia-ul-Haq’s_Islamization ]. The Islamization included the infamous “Zina” ordinance, which made life hell for Pakistani women. Remember Safia Bibi, the 13-year old blind girl who became pregnant after her employer and his son raped her? Safia was sentenced for “adultery” while the rapists were acquitted because the Zia-ul-Haq’s Islamic law required four “pious” witnesses to testify against the rapists, and there were none.
I hope decent Pakistanis shoot these all these ****ty Islamist hardliners who are a bane to their country.
“The Satanic Verses” is a really great piece of work. It’s by no means “Islamophobic” (Rushdie himself is from Muslim background). It has garnered great critical acclaim (it was a 1988 Booker Prize Finalist). The book doesn’t aim to defame Islam in any way. In fact, Rushdie even issued a politically correct apology: “I profoundly regret the distress that publication has occasioned to sincere followers of Islam.”
http://www.nytimes.com/books/99/04/18/specials/rushdie.html ]
Pakistan’s parliamentary affairs minister Sher Afgan Khan Niazi said the knighthood would “encourage people to commit blasphemy against the Prophet Mohammad.”
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/6763119.stm ]
Where the Hell is Freedom of Speech. Can’t I express my views without people wanting to kill me? Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini, the “Supreme Leader of Iran”, issued a fatwa soon after “The Satanic Verses” was released, saying that “…all those involved in its publication who are aware of its content are sentenced to death.” and said that it was duty of every Muslim to obey.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/february/14/newsid_2541000/2541149.stm ]
It’s not Rushdie who is harming Islam. It’s these freaking self-proclaimed Islamic leaders, who are making life difficult for rest of the Muslims. They make Islam look like a piece of crap…:grumpy:
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I grew up in Pakistan in the 80s and that was nothing but sham islamisation. It was his own way of keeping his grip on power and prolonging his dictatorship. First and foremost you cannot force people to pray or fast, that’s also unislamic as I understand religion. So many people were flogged and hanged in a haste without receiving a fair trial. Even Bhutto’s case (not an angel himself) was forged. Atleast when Musharraf came to power there was no bloodshed.
That said I appreciate Zia’s services during the Soviet-Afghan war and also approve of how he completely dismantled the terrorists of Al-Zulfikar tanzeem.
His greatest deed IMHO was persuading Imran Khan in 1988 to come out of retirement :k: 
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so did anything happen to this zia's minime ejaz??? or can he mouth off ignorant crap and get away with it.
how many govts are now calling pakistan's ambassadors to meet with them to express concerns over the idiotic remarks about pakistan's minister of religious affairs.
and musharraf better speak up about this crap, but i bet he will not because he does not want to tick of the mullahs, that is why he has not done shyt to lal masjid, and its also because of the efforts to make deals with fazl..
what a farce..
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Haris: agree to your opening lines
but we muslims must ask ourselves a simple question here. Is this the only way we know to react every time an idiot (just s*d him) tries to desecrate our religion in some way?
The best response I believe would have been to ignore the offender (Rushdie in this case) and to not read his book.
By burning effigies, issuing unnecessary fatwas and calling death to people left right and centre, crying foul and resorting to violence at the smallest opportunity presented to us - I am ofcourse referring to the masses here not the truly educated amongst us - we come across as irrational, over-emotional, intolerant and uneducated folk.
If the Prophet pbuh were alive today, I am pretty sure he would not approved of how muslims in general overreact these days with violence, rioting, calling death to people etc. (prime example being how the Prophet pbuh coolly dealt with the offenders in Taaif)
It's so sad that our masses these days often see violence (or atleast it comes across like that) as the only appropriate response in such circumstances.
Yes we have a right to protest but it should take the form of peaceful demonstrations, intelligent debate etc. not this...
On top of that Ijaz-ul-Haq's (Zia's son) statement glorifying suicide bombers was completely unacceptable, inappropriate and irresponsible IMO.
Hence Education is so important. That's the only way we can fight intolerance and extremism within our societies.
Very very well said Asif!
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Pakistan should just shun all diplomatic ties with the UK and threaten to recall all its citizens who are helping their economy.
Another masterpiece joke from you dear!
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I dont see what the minister of religious affairs achieved by that comment? There are much better ways of lodging a complain or showing your dissatisfaction. what relevance does suicide bombing has with topic at hand?A mere comment of how insensitive this gesture was would have sufficed. Strange though that only Iran and Pakistan choose to speak out. What about the rest of muslim world?
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This just proves when it comes to our mullahs stupidity has no limit.
http://www.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/story/0,22049,21945115-5001028,00.html
Pakistan scholars honour Bin Laden
Article from: Agence France-Presse
From correspondents in Islamabad
June 21, 2007 06:54pm
A LEADING group of Pakistani Islamic scholars today awarded its highest honour to al-Qaeda chief Osama bin Laden, saying it was in reaction to Britain’s knighthood for Salman Rushdie.
Meanwhile, a Pakistani minister who caused outrage by remarking that the award given to the Satanic Verses author justified suicide attacks announced that he was set to visit Britain next month.
The Pakistani Ulema Council, a private body that claims to be the biggest of its kind in the country with 2000 scholars, said it had given Bin Laden the title “Saifullah”, or Sword of Allah.
“We are pleased to award the title of Saifullah to Osama bin Laden after the British Government’s decision to bestow the title of ‘Sir’ on blasphemer Rushdie,” council chairman Maulana Tahir Ashrafi said.
“This is the highest title for a Muslim warrior.”
Bin Laden has been blamed for the September 11, 2001, attacks on New York and Washington that killed nearly 3000 people. He is widely believed to be hiding on the Pakistan-Afghanistan border.
The group, which says it is working for religious harmony, urged President Pervez Musharraf to call an emergency meeting of the 57-member Organisation of the Islamic Conference to press Britain to withdraw the Rushdie accolade.
Islamists have burned effigies of Rushdie and Queen Elizabeth for several days running in protests against the honour bestowed on the writer on Saturday, which allows him to call himself “Sir Salman”.
Pakistan and Iran both summoned the British envoys to their countries on Tuesday.
Britain hit back by expressing “deep concern” over the comments on suicide bombings by Pakistan’s religious affairs minister, Ijaz-ul Haq.
Haq – who later withdrew the remarks saying that he meant only that the award would foster extremism – said today that he planned to visit Britain at the invitation of a British delegation.
“Yes, I may travel to Britain next month as a British delegation has invited me to guide them on how to engage khateebs and imams (sermon deliverers and prayer leaders) in a constructive dialogue,” Haq said.
“The visit would also help clear many things and misunderstandings about my remarks about the knighting of Salman Rushdie by Britain.”
The British delegation met Haq on Monday and included representatives from Britain’s Home Office and Foreign Office with responsibility for engaging with the Islamic world and preventing extremism, he said.
“I can confirm he did meet the delegation but I am not aware of any invitation,” said Aidan Liddle, a spokesman for the British high commission in Islamabad.
Haq is the son of military dictator Zia-ul-Haq, who ruled Pakistan from 1977 until his death in a mysterious plane crash in 1988. His father introduced Islamic punishments to the country including death for blasphemy.
The religious affairs minister’s comments have provoked an angry reaction in Britain – which yesterday insisted it was right to knight Rushdie for his literary career, adding it was “sorry” if it had caused distress.
A comment piece in Britain’s Daily Telegraph said that if Pakistan was so angry about the issue, it should return the STG480 million ($A1.14 billion) in aid promised by Prime Minister Tony Blair last year.
“If this is tainted money, it can presumably be returned,” it said.
But in the Pakistani Parliament Chaudhry Shujaat Hussain, the President of the ruling Pakistan Muslim League party, said that Mr Blair was “personally and mentally against Muslims”.