Pakistani Student shot in US

Couldnt disagree more. In fact the logic with which you present is completely flawed and incorrect. Also the information you provide for rhe basis of your defense is incorrect.

Federal laws pertaining to gun control are much different to state laws. State laws are a lot less tough than federal laws but they are still followed as it allows for better business. Many states do not require a purchase nor a firearm registration.

Furthermore you say if a criminal wants to get a weapon they can in any country through connections. LOL. So youre saying its just as easy to get a gun in a country where the use of firearms is heavily regulated as compared with USA? HA! Please. Lets not get silly.

Okay forget criminals. Lets talk about students. How many other developed nations have schools that have been shot up by students? How many other developed nations have a homicide rate as high as the United states?

And LOL that you need to compare American homicide statistics with those from Pakistan and India to look good. Third world nations. Setting a high bar!

Finally, seculars and harsh critics of the subcontinent here like to wave the flag of awareness around, claiming that we must openly condemm the issue rather than brush it off with excuses. That the entire collective should be held responsible rather than just the perpetrators, and be in charge of leading the change rather than not address the issue. Why is it this standard not maintained for matters not relating to the subcontinent? Can you people please outline the reason for this blatant hypocrisy?

Lastly why not state to open a new thread at the start of your statement? Or was it more fun stating your opinion and then telling others to hush? Gun control is related to any violence committed by guns. Im sure if this was an issue in a thirld world no one would be asked to respect the severity of the issue and opening another thread.

This murder has a lot to do with gun culture in the states. Every firearm related homicide does.

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US has crime issues, population density in some areas, income inequality and prejudice play a role. These are citizens of the country who are at a disadvantage, and the gang culture sets in.The availability of guns just adds fuel to fire. It is a real cause for concern. ghettos of crime that spill into other areas, not unlike the phenomenon seen in other places, but the presence of guns makes it more lethal

In some other countries mentioned, either the gun control is significant better, social safety nets are better (although often abused) or yet in others, especially the middle east, many of the poor are temporary workers, fully knowing that while they are at a social disadvantage and a lower rung on the ladder, it is better than what they had back home, thus are more content about a temporary situation that they can eventually get out of. That with pretty strict law enforcement keeps them in line.

Crime rate in UK has gone up quite significantly and it has much better gun control. Actually if you look at overall crime rate in London compared to comparable US cities, you will see that London is not quite as safe as it once was.

sadly guns are not the only mechanism of killing, either in US or elsewhere. Aside from the horrific mass shootings that US seems to take the lead in..comparable only to mass shootings on minorities in Pakistan or imploding places like Myanmar, whether someone uses a gun to kill one person, or a knife in the end is the same, a life lost due to violence.

saw some interesting stats from UN. better than individual opinions

https://www.unodc.org/documents/gsh/data/GSH2013_Homicide_count_and_rate.xlsx

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At least crime is actually reported in the States.

We don’t go around pretending as if blasphemy laws are completely fair and reasonable. Oh and “hide” all the crime in your own countries…pretend again…as if it doesn’t exist.

As for the topic…I am in that area sometimes and its scary to know that this could happen.

May Allah swt give his family sabr and strength through this terrible time.

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Thought about the kachra comment some more. Taking anyone’s life is bad. Doesn’t matter if it is for 5 dollars or 5 billion dollars.

Rather than calling South side kachara, it is best to call the murderers kachara.

As for the conditions in South side, the people living there are victims. Not to be looked down upon. One doesn’t have had to been there to arrive at this conclusion.

The plight of the people in the projects is due to institutionalized racism. Stiffer sentences, being searched due to color of skin, low minimum wage, imprisonment of young black men - all these add up.

Before making sweeping remarks about an entire community or race, one should remember that after 911, Pres. Bush discouraged folks from calling the Muslim community “kachara”.

And rightly so.

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Actually it is not. Never heard the term “caged in” ?

(One cannot run away from any external danger in a cage)

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:slight_smile: :slight_smile: :slight_smile: diwana. :slight_smile: :slight_smile: :slight_smile:

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London is probably more dangerous than all the states of US put together. But I think it would be worse if guns and firearms were allowed in UK.

Interestingly enough, Finland has similar laws as America regarding guns but they have the least homicide stats in West.

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Dajjal ? Interesting. I hope I interpreted it right , you think US is part of Dajjal and hence dangerous ?

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or is that your signature that showed as part of the post ? :konfused:

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I think materialism has definitely something to do with Dajjal and I think socialism/communism has something to do with Yajuj WaMajuj. Calling America Dajjalic would be wrong … but much of the drivers that are selling the world the material illusions do come from that part of the world. Dajjalic elements are spread around the whole world at the same time even within the same towns and cities the complete opposite anti-Dajjalic elements are also present.

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Very intelligent. Very interesting perspective. I did not think of socialism/communism as Yajuj/Majuj but I think you’re right. Yepz! You’re right.

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I don’t think she meant it in a racist way Southie. I live in Chicago and know exactly what she’s talking about.

The area she’s referring to **has **taken a huge hit in the last 10 years…its no longer safe…although when I was a kid…it was safe. We would go out all the time for long walks in the evening without my dad…just us sisters, mom and grandma. I was mentioning this to my husband just last week and he laughed at me…said there’s no way even he would do that now.

The “kachra” she’s referring to is basically gang violence, crime, etc. She’s not referring to the entire colored community as “kachra”.

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I thought that as well when the word kachra was mentioned.

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India is safer than U.S.

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well then, enjoy your safe uber cab rides. oh wait, cant. rapists there too. theives and rapists everywhere in india.

india is safe if you are a criminal or a powerful politician. otherwise, you live in fear and insecurity.

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Is U.S a rape free country?

What about Police?

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you said India is safer than US. don’t roll around now.

Indian police gives people hugs and kisses? These cowards collect bribes from the poorest of the poor and kill randomly in “encounters”. no comparison with the US.

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LOL.

Nope, its not.

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Bint-e is probably a very nice person. My recollection of her post is - she stated the offenders are from two races only. Black and brown. And she called that community kachara.

I have no problems if she called the criminals kachara. But she did paint the whole community as kachara. If she didn’t mean to do that, she can simply state so. And clearly state she meant only the criminals to be kachra. Bas. Kissa khatam.

I am not questioning there are criminal elements in that community. But we all know the history. Distant past. Recent past. And even present.

I have lived all over the us. Including downtown of some not so great neighborhood. And I know there r criminal elements in all races. Crime is a function of lack of opportunity, our prison system and much much more.

To boil in down to - "they are of two races"should offend decent people. For it is over simplification. And I know you are decent. And probably so is she.

That’s al I have to say. For now.

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some of the comments here are just too ridiculous to reply back