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Ahhhh… please go through the number of deaths by U.S Police every year.
Atleast taking briibe is better than killing innocent civilians,Bro.
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To use a famous saying with broad application
Without data, you’re just another person with an opinion.
My work is done
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Depends on the type of crime. Some crimes are crimes in the US which are not crimes in India, so you cant simply compare crime rates in such a generalized way. Also, many crimes go unreported. Incidences of sexual harassment in India on buses or trains for example, are not unheard of but how many of those are actually reported ? In countries with a history of Police corruption, many people, particularly the poor, are to afraid to involve the Police.
As for Police in India, they are certainly far more corrupt. By far. For every case you hear off a person being shot in the US, there are a thousand other examples where the exchange is polite and no untoward incidence ever occurs.
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Agreed.But it does not mean that they can kill innocent people.
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Who is or isnt innocent is not for you or I to decide. There are many issues that put the legality of what happened in those recent deaths in the grey area. In both the actions of the police can be argued to be extreme, and it may well be, but the law is such that it allows for certain ambiguities that make those actions legal, even if extreme. The choking death for example, the laws governing the use of such tactics can be interpreted in a certain way as to make it acceptable in certain cases etc. So the law needs reform, the police need to be better trained, but whether said individuals were innocent, I dont know. The police were found to be functioning within their legal parameters.
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Then who will decide? Judge? Then what happened?
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Courts decide. If it were up to you and me then why even have courts?
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Good.Courts decide.Taken.
But what happened in Ferguson case?
Why the entire nation rose in protests?
Why are people calling it Police excess?
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Yeah but who decides what is excessive? We entrust the police to make such decisions. If an officer feels he is justified in using force then how do we prove otherwise ? In the Ferguson case, the guy did assault the officer. The officer felt threatened, how to prove the officer didnt make the right call given the situation?
It may in fact be excessive, but its a judgement call. I cant say, I wasnt in the situation.
Protestors influence legislators, legislators make law, police enforce it within their mandate, and courts interpret the law determine the limits of that mandate..
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Bro,whatever be the reason,U.S has one of the highest deaths due to police in the world.
If the justification can be made ,by saying that types of crimes committed may vary from state to state and the police response can vary,I would say U.S is one of the most dangerous places on earth to live.
So many police killings tell the story.
Here’s One Theory About Why Cops In America Kill So Many People | Business Insider India
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But still there is no justification for killing innocent people.There is a widespread ressentiment against Police in the U.S.
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A video of a man being `murdered’ by cops.
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Forget about India for now. Let us focus on recent Incidents.
The fact that the grand jury found NO reason to indict was a joke in the recent cases. The role of the grand jury is NOT to find the defendant guilty BEYOND reasonable doubt. It is to see if there is enough reason to warrant a trial.
It is during the trial that the jury has to decide if guilty beyond reasonable doubt.
So yes. What happened recently was a joke. Beyond a reasonable doubt.
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The system clearly needs to be reformed. I mean, what more to say.
I think the reason they found no reason to indict was because the circumstances could still be interpreted in such a way that would make it appear that the police were acting within their legal bounds.
Like I mentioned before, according to a report by NPR that I was listening to, the law governing the use of choke holds has been made in such a way as to allow a lot interpretation on what is or is not an actual choke hold. Therfore, it can be argued that what that officer did in the Garner case was not in itself a choke hold. And again, beyond that, I suppose you have prove that the officer wanted to kill and not restrain. That’s a difficult call.
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Yeah the system needs to be changed and policies need to be changed. But when all said and done, the reason their are no charges is because in each of the cases, the crcumstances fell within a legal grey area. Take the choking death for example. From what i understand the use of choke holds is open to interpretation; as to what actually constitutes a choke hold. Now thats means that an officer can use some form of a choke hold and argue that it wasnt really a choke hold, as there is some ambiguity on the issue. And so a jury can find that to be a legal take down.
Beyond that, did he mean to kill or restrain the individual? That is something that has to be proven.
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Med re your 2nd last sentence. This is the point in was trying to make. It is NOT the grand jury’s job to determine if you can PROVE beyond reasonable doubt the officer wanted to kill. They just have to find sufficient reason to determine there is a chance something inappropriate has occurred.
The bar is VERY VERY low. There is stat that shows only 30 our of 10000 cases presented to grand JURY DONT make it to trial.
With that as yardstick what happened with Wilson and the choke can ONLY BE described as a JOKE. A cruel one.