Re: Pakistani soldiers fighting TTP are not martyrs : Munawar Hassan
^^^ I read the article, and feel one sentence is wrongly put. The sentence with alternative should be as follow:
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Last week Syed Munawar Hassan, who heads Pakistan’s Jamaat-i-Islami (Jamaat), declared the former head of the Pakistani Taliban, Hakeemullah Mehsud, a martyr. Mehsud reportedly died of a missile fired from an unmanned drone in North Waziristan. The Pakistan Army took serious offense to the statement by Mr. Hassan and found it insulting to the memory of thousands of soldiers who have died fighting militants.
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Marked sentence should have been: 'Mahsud, whose hand is red with killings of many innocent Pakistanis and head had bounty of $5 million by US government and Rs 50 million by Pakistan government, met ‘hellfire missile’ dropped on him by American ‘Ababil’ that took Mahsud to the fire of hell (aag-e-jahannum)'.
Re: Pakistani soldiers fighting TTP are not martyrs : Munawar Hassan
I wish I could un-pakistani my self, some times.
You guys have problem JI saysing soldiers are/are-not shaheed ??? some thing like that ???
Is there any one who don't know what fear they create in uni/collages, among students ?
Do you not know they break shin bones with sticks if some one speak to a girl ???
How my many guys they burn with iron ??????? Trying to enforce islam ?
Please tell me all you making noise about JI did not know these things, that is way you are so upset
at them making a statement.
Re: Pakistani soldiers fighting TTP are not martyrs : Munawar Hassan
All those self styled beacons of peace these days have a lot of blood on their hands, be it Bangladesh (al badr, alshams), Kashmir (JEM, LET and HUM), Iran (Jundullah), Afghanistan (taleban) and Pakistan (TTP, LEJ/ASWJ/SSP etc). The time has come for Pakistanis to finally decide if they want the country be overrun by these blood thirsty fanatics?
Funny how you cannot name one Shia terrorist group. cat got your tongue?
Re: Pakistani soldiers fighting TTP are not martyrs : Munawar Hassan
I wish I could un-pakistani my self, some times.
You guys have problem JI saysing soldiers are/are-not shaheed ??? some thing like that ???
Is there any one who don't know what fear they create in uni/collages, among students ?
Do you not know they break shin bones with sticks if some one speak to a girl ???
How my many guys they burn with iron ??????? Trying to enforce islam ?
Please tell me all you making noise about JI did not know these things, that is way you are so upset
at them making a statement.
You can say that about the student wing of any political group. Same-old-same-old. Again, people need to get a grip.Their "fearless" leader said something really stupid, and all of a sudden they're responsible for everything from cancer, to global warming, to over-priced cell phone plans. Or so it seems...
Re: Pakistani soldiers fighting TTP are not martyrs : Munawar Hassan
All those self styled beacons of peace these days have a lot of blood on their hands, be it Bangladesh (al badr, alshams), Kashmir (JEM, LET and HUM), Iran (Jundullah), Afghanistan (taleban) and Pakistan (TTP, LEJ/ASWJ/SSP etc). The time has come for Pakistanis to finally decide if they want the country be overrun by these blood thirsty fanatics?
I see a Military/ISI link on every account...yet the JI are exclusivity to be blamed? I'm not quite getting the point....
You people do realize that the military will continue to do what it does, but with a new set of militants? I see no fundamental change in policy. The master has stopped feeding his old dogs, and they're turning on him...it's what is to be expected.
Re: Pakistani soldiers fighting TTP are not martyrs : Munawar Hassan
You can say that about the student wing of any political group. Same-old-same-old. Again, people need to get a grip.Their "fearless" leader said something really stupid, and all of a sudden they're responsible for everything from cancer, to global warming, to over-priced cell phone plans. Or so it seems...
Re: Pakistani soldiers fighting TTP are not martyrs : Munawar Hassan
No, you cant!
Just did. Perhaps circumstances would be different, but the net result is the same: brutality because you're not "one of them".
Name me one party that doesn't. PTI? Okay...granted...they're the new kids on the block...they're the ones getting their legs broken by all and sundry.
Re: Pakistani soldiers fighting TTP are not martyrs : Munawar Hassan
Still No!
every organization gets nasty when they are challenged. Good or bad its still a fight, animal instinct. JI does that on TOP they break legs of people they don't know.
They kidnap kids who don't have no political ambition, but only want to live on lighter side.
They they make them an example. Like they are doing God's nasty work.
I don't know how hard is that to admit ??
They target kids with no political agenda....
Re: Pakistani soldiers fighting TTP are not martyrs : Munawar Hassan
Still No!
every organization gets nasty when they are challenged. Good or bad its still a fight, animal instinct. JI does that on TOP they break legs of people they don't know.
They kidnap kids who don't have no political ambition, but only want to live on lighter side.
They they make them an example. Like they are doing God's nasty work.
I don't know how hard is that to admit ??
They target kids with no political agenda....
Re: Pakistani soldiers fighting TTP are not martyrs : Munawar Hassan
Still No!
every organization gets nasty when they are challenged. Good or bad its still a fight, animal instinct. JI does that on TOP they break legs of people they don't know.
They kidnap kids who don't have no political ambition, but only want to live on lighter side.
They they make them an example. Like they are doing God's nasty work.
I don't know how hard is that to admit ??
They target kids with no political agenda....
Re: Pakistani soldiers fighting TTP are not martyrs : Munawar Hassan
I see a Military/ISI link on every account...yet the JI are exclusivity to be blamed? I'm not quite getting the point....
You people do realize that the military will continue to do what it does, but with a new set of militants? I see no fundamental change in policy. The master has stopped feeding his old dogs, and they're turning on him...it's what is to be expected.
ISI and army were involved in Bangladesh, I know that. But the jamaat which has suddenly remembered the atrocities of 71 were themselves involved in it. Even when the war on terror began MMA was ruling kpk.
Re: Pakistani soldiers fighting TTP are not martyrs : Munawar Hassan
Those of you defending JI who in my opinion are all kafirs for equating shahadat with a dog, why do you think JI made such an idiotic and stupid statement?
Do you think that the Pakistani soldiers who died defending the motherland are not shaheed? Simple yes or not.
Re: Pakistani soldiers fighting TTP are not martyrs : Munawar Hassan
Those of you defending JI who in my opinion are all kafirs for equating shahadat with a dog, why do you think JI made such an idiotic and stupid statement? .
a-it was JUI not JI. :)
b-If this is bench mark of being a kafir then hold on... i know people who do not believe in jihad let alone the resultant shahdat.
c-Most who are angry with this statement dont even consider jihad as a fareeza or retwist its meaning but just want to vent thier anger against JI.
Do you think that the Pakistani soldiers who died defending the motherland are not shaheed? Simple yes or not.
Yes shaheed if the intention was pure as per islam and ALLAh is the best judge we will consider him shaheed unless he is fighting for benefit of kuffar.
Funny you say who died defending the mother land, freudianslip :)
who were locals there in wazirstan?
PS: i am out of this thread, just that your ilm say bharpur post tempted me to post
Re: Pakistani soldiers fighting TTP are not martyrs : Munawar Hassan
Funny how you cannot name one Shia terrorist group. cat got your tongue?
Sipah muhhamd, imamia student, mukhtar force, tehreef e nifaz fiqah jafirya, Lashkar imam are the most loyal groups of this country who are not with support from parties like MQM not killing any human. May be Sunnis are not counted as humans BTW in liberals opinion.
For mentaly sick people- I am just adding to the list of terrorist outfits not deleting terrorist, Lej are also equaly bad in my opinion.