Pakistani sikh Love For Pakistan

[The_Player]

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No Hindu Americans would put India first.

Thats what I said, they would put America first.

Where in Pakistan history have minorities been murdered in te THOUSANDS?

You need a critical mass for that to happen. Pls check the demographics of minorities from 1947 till date. From 75% Muslim in 1947, Pakistan has gone to 95% Muslim. Compare that with the growth in minority population in India. Tells you a lot, doesnt it ?

[Med911]

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Talk to me the day you elect a Hindu/Sikh/Christian as your PM/President.

LOL... So Barak Obama is President of the United States, and so there is no more Racism in tHe US!
:)

[Med911]

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Thats what I said, they would put America first.

You need a critical mass for that to happen. Pls check the demographics of minorities from 1947 till date.

Sad part of our history. Thankfully we have moved past collective barbarity since, unlike in India.

Not to mention you mass genocide of Kashmiris.

Whats even more disgusting is that you stil claim to be a nation that values Human rights. India is a joke.

[The_Player]

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LOL... So Barak Obama is President of the United States, and so there is no more Racism in tHe US! :)

Atleast they elected a black President. Can you elect a non-Muslim in Pakistan ?

Sad part of our history. Thankfully we have moved past collective barbarity since, unlike in India with you mass murders.

Since when ? I am talking about the decline in minority population from 1947 till date.

[Med911]

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Atleast they elected a black President. Can you elect a non-Muslim in Pakistan ?

Since when ? I am talking about the decline in minority population from 1947 till date.

Sure we can. Lets have one run! Indians can elect a party with an established name, and that party will chose a Sikh PM for show, and thats great, but your history is replete with crimes against minorities. Why are you trying to change the facts?

Indians always talk about the supposed decline in population. But not one of you can support your claims. We have seen the mass genocide in India, there are images of these victims. Can you support your claims with actual numbers AND facts, or is this another lie/exageration like your poor homeless Pundits?

[La_Parisienne]

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are Muslims thrown out of India yet? I kept reading demands of that, looks like memo didn't get to all stakeholders in India

tut tut! you've been visiting the conspiracy nut pages. Review and clean up your bookmarks

[La_Parisienne]

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Thats because as a Muslim, we are taught to believe that we are part of a larger entity... That being the Muslim Ummah or community. This community is not confined to any nationality or race. When we die, Muslims are taught to understand that God will not ask them whether they were good Pakistanis, or good Saudis or Egyptians or good Indians, but rather good people, and thus inherently good Muslims.

You cant blame religious Muslims for putting their faith before their nation, because we are taught as Muslims that these nationalistic notions are artificial constructs, while the bonds of faith are ordained by the divine.

Hindu's on the otherhand have a much easier time reconciling themselves with India nationalism because Hinduism and Indianess go hand in hand, since Hinduism as a religion is based in India.

good. So, shouldn't religious muslims be barred from being president of Pakistan because as you admit, they are taught not to make Pakistan their #1 loyalty?

[The_Player]

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@Med911

Sure we can. Lets have one run! Indians can elect a party with an established name, and that party will chose a Sikh PM for show, and thats great, but your history is replete with crimes against minorities. Why are you trying to change the facts?

You need to check you country’s constitution first and see if a non-Muslim is allowed to run.

@Med911

Indians always talk about the supposed decline in population. But not one of you can support your claims. We have seen the mass genocide in India, there are images of these victims. Can you support your claims with actual numbers AND facts, or is this another lie/exageration like your poor homeless Pundits?

The population of Hindus in Pakistan in 1947, at the time of Partition, was estimated to be anywhere from 15 to 24 percent. In 1998 the Hindu population in Pakistan was 1.60 percent.

http://www.hafsite.org/media/pr/conversion-hindus-pakistan

[Med911]

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good. So, shouldn't religious muslims be barred from being president of Pakistan because as you admit, they are taught not to make Pakistan their #1 loyalty?

Im saying you should be more understanding of peoples religious sentiments.

Unlike among Hindus, who are Indian by default, the concept of nationalism is a far more complex a topic among Muslims.

Many simple minded people, including many Hindu Indians, put it in very stark, black and white terms, such as our country or your faith, and thus ignore the implications of this for those in a religion like Islam.

I doubt you would understand. This lack of nderstaning is what creates the resentment many of your Hindus feel for Indian Muslims. This assumption that like you, it is easy for people of other faiths to abandon their beliefs in favor of nationalism.

[Med911]

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@The_Player

You need to check you country’s constitution first and see if a non-Muslim is allowed to run.

http://www.hafsite.org/media/pr/conversion-hindus-pakistan

No reason we should discriminate against anyone.

So there are forced conversions of Hindus in Paksitan? Very tragic, but we all knew that happens im sure. Even in India, minorities get killed every year, but we dont use those numbers to make over arching conclusion about all of India. We need real numbers here.
What was the minority population of Pakistan at birth? How many were in East Pakistan and how many were in West?

How many left as a natural flow of immigrants following partition? How many were forced to leave?

How has the minority population grown or declined relative to the Muslim population? Give us some real census data here…

Gving numbers like 15 to 24 PERCENT is meaningless. You cant draw a conclusion solely on those numbers alone. You have to tell us how and why that percentage decreased.

For example, does that number of 15-24 Percent include East Pakistan, current Bangladesh? Obviously, you would count the minorities in then East Pakistan, but can no longer include them today…

You Indian latch on to these few straws that you have and collectively, ALL of you invariably cite these tired old accusations, but not one of you has any real numbers or evidence to back it up.

[1947]

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@La_Parisienne

hope this poor soul gets a discount on his jizya

You really have to be mentally retarded to think non muslims pay jizya in Pakistan. But hey atleast Sikhs have their own marriage act here unlike in India .

[The_Player]

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No reason we should discriminate against anyone.

So there are forced conversions of Hindus in Paksitan? Very tragic, but we all knew that happens im sure. Even in India, minorities get killed every year, but we dont use those numbers to make over arching conclusion about all of India. We need real numbers here. What was the minority population of Pakistan at birth? How many were in East Pakistan and how many were in West?

How many left as a natural flow of immigrants following partition? How many were forced to leave?

How has the minority population grown or declined relative to the Muslim population? Give us some real census data here...

Gving numbers like 15 to 24 PERCENT is meaningless. You cant draw a conclusion solely on those numbers alone. You have to tell us how and why that percentage decreased.

For example, does that number of 15-24 Percent include East Pakistan, current Bangladesh? Obviously, you would count the minorities in then East Pakistan, but can no longer include them today...

You Indian latch on to these few straws that you have and collectively, ALL of you invariably cite these tired old accusations, but not one of you has any real numbers or evidence to back it up.

If you wanted to know & accept the truth, you would quite easily have googled it yourself. Obviously, thats not the case here.

[Captain1]

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@The_Player

India is not governed by Islamic law, so NO jizya. However, last I heard Hindus/Sikhs were asked to pay jizya to live in Pakistan.

[video]www.youtube.com/watch?v=wyvogF3Nn2g [/video]

oh so terrorists demanding anything becomes official now

@La_Parisienne

tut tut! you’ve been visiting the conspiracy nut pages. Review and clean up your bookmarks

sure, likes of Shiv Sina, BJP only exist in conspiracy world

[Med911]

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If you wanted to know & accept the truth, you would quite easily have googled it yourself. Obviously, thats not the case here.

I would truly love to know the truth! But how can I accept something to be true when the supposed truth is coming from a person wth an obvious bias such as yourself. Should I accept your word as gospel, and not demand evidence?

The burden of proof is on those making the accusations. I dont know how the court system works in India, but when someone accuses you of a crime, its they that have to provide the evidence of your guilt.

Have you ever heard of an accused being told to provide the evidence of his own guilt in a court of law?!?!? What a ridiculous notion...

Now I can only assume you dont ave the evidence to back up your claim, so I wont pester you on it further. Please refrain from citing tired Indian propaganda like this in the future.
The truth can only be considered truth when its supported by real evidence.

[Captain1]

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You really have to be mentally retarded to think non muslims pay jizya in Pakistan. But hey atleast Sikhs have their own marriage act here unlike in India .

I didn't want to be that blunt though, thanks :D

[mAd_ScIeNtIsT]

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You really have to be mentally retarded to think non muslims pay jizya in Pakistan. But hey atleast Sikhs have their own marriage act here unlike in India .

high five

[The_Player]

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@Med911

I would truly love to know the truth! But how can I accept something to be true when the supposed truth is coming from a person wth an obvious bias such as yourself. Should I accept your word as gospel, and not demand evidence?

**The burden of proof is on those making the accusations. I dont know how the court system works in India, but when someone accuses you of a crime, its they that have to provide the evidence of your guilt. **

Have you ever heard of an accused being told to provide the evidence of his own guilt in a court of law??? What a ridiculous notion…

Now I can only assume you dont ave the evidence to back up your claim, so I wont pester you on it further. Please refrain from citing tired Indian propaganda like this in the future.
The truth can only be considered truth when its supported by real evidence.

Now please remember that next time you start you ranting about genocide by Indian army in Kashmir or persecution of minorities in Gujarat.

[The_Player]

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But hey atleast Sikhs have their own marriage act here unlike in India .

And Muslims have their own personal law in India, and they get Haj subsidy (which is something that they dont get even in a Muslim country). Citing irrelevant facts like this might help you prove your patriotism but doesn't do much more.

[mAd_ScIeNtIsT]

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@The_Player

And Muslims have their own personal law in India, and they get Haj subsidy (which is something that they dont get even in a Muslim country). Citing irrelevant facts like this might help you prove your patriotism but doesn’t do much more.

Please tell me which of the following you are.

a) A blatant liar

b) An ignorant person.

As you can see from the following article, many Muslim countries including Pakistan have subsidised hajj packages on offer.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5gPZWF9lhF4HN1EXZg3ygw1MynCpw?docId=CNG.a9940d9fe464dce8fd8b01010181d547.91

In Indonesia, which is sending 220,000 pilgrims in 2010, the government tour price was unchanged despite the rise in the total cost of about three percent.

Each Indonesian pilgrim on the government tour pays 3,200 dollars for travel, food and lodging.

The government contributes about 670 dollars a person, compared to 555 dollars a year ago, according to Abdul Ghofur Djawahir, the Indonesian religious affairs ministry director of hajj fees and services.

However, Pakistan’s 40-day government package has jumped about 16 percent in price this year from 2009 to about 2,800 dollars.

Half of the country’s 160,000 pilgrims take advantage of the government scheme, according to the Pakistani religious and hajj ministry. The rest join private tours, spending up to 4,100 dollars (3,000 euros) a person.

In Bangladesh, the government-subsidised hajj package runs to 3,238 dollars (2,365 euros), up 2.7 percent from last year.

But fewer than 7,000 of the country’s 94,000 pilgrims are taking advantage of it, Bangladeshi religious affairs ministry spokesman Anwar Hossain told AFP.

“Every year it increases slightly, it was not an unusual increase this year,” Hossain said. “Flights cost more, accommodation in Saudi Arabia is getting more expensive, insurance and food also cost more now.”

For the 200,000 or more Saudi citizens and residents who join the hajj, prices have shot up 20 percent, according to Saad al-Qurashi of the Mecca Chamber of Commerce.

The lowest price is about 500 dollars (365 euros), for a place to sleep in an out-of-the-way group tent for the five-day period and for basic meals of chicken and rice.

A 2,000-dollar (1,460-euro) package gets a Saudi an apartment in Mina, the valley between Mecca and Arafat, a key hajj ritual site, with full buffets for meals.

[The_Player]

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@mAd_ScIeNtIsT

Please tell me which of the following you are.

a) A blatant liar

b) An ignorant person.

As you can see from the following article, many Muslim countries including Pakistan have subsidised hajj packages on offer.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5gPZWF9lhF4HN1EXZg3ygw1MynCpw?docId=CNG.a9940d9fe464dce8fd8b01010181d547.91

OK…so Indonesia gives subsidised Hajj packages. However, that does not take away from the main point that citing irrelevant stats like the one 1947 cited does not add any value to the topic being discussed. Or maybe in your zeal to prove me wrong, you forgot to see the entire post ?