Re: Pakistani Culture of Pakistan - Today's perspective.
^I am not an ABCD, though i have spent most part of my life outside Pakistan, but i have spent good 13 years in Pak and i know people there very well.
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i’m not totally in agreement with you bcause i think that choices are not totally individual…when you are surrounded by sinning people it’s easier to be sinning yourself, and when you are surrounded by sinning people, if you stay alone in your moral values, you will not be sucessfull, because work , trade and marriage involves relation to other people
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personally I know much more decent people living in Pakistan, than i do from Uk/USA.
take the guppies on this site for example, I like and respect the Pakistani ones alot more than the ABCD/BBCDs....or even those that have spent majority of their life in Pakistan, I tend to get on better with them :) there are some exceptions....and there are a couple of cool UK/USA ppl here too -but majority i find annoying
i agree with you Impulse, that's exactly why my future spouse is in pakistan
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I am so surprised by the responses here. If any one of you were given the task of concvincing a non-partial person, you'd Fail. I am surprised that no one has taken human nature into account, the fact that people do succumb to temptation, the fact that people get affected by the kind of experiences they have had and peer pressure plays an important part too plus a changing social structure.
And in case you failed to notice, every one might be a born Muslim , but every one is not born a practising Muslim. Shouldn't a country be judged by the literacy rate, gdp, development? And if you gusy with all your education have failed to use your common sense then why expect others to do so?. The response here is equally retarded as those USA bashing threads.
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that’s exactly why i said it is easier to be sinful/ moral in a sinful/moral environement so i feel individual choices are litmited by environment
that’s why i feel anyone must make efforts to keep this social/ciltural environement as moral as possible
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Frankly speaking I have found people in Pakistan more civilized and educated as compared to the Pakistani immigrants in the west. And about second or third generation, well less said the better.
I have a feeling expat pakistanis are stuck in time. They think Pakistan is at the same stage where they left the country.
I am amazed when people critcize Pakistan. I ask just one thing. What have you done for Pakistan.
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true there are some ratings of countries according to literacy rate, life expectancy, social ladder , corruptiun, etc… scandinavian countries Norway first 
) and canada are on top usually, USA is down most west european countries…and pakistan is very much low…
i’m gonna try to find the latest and post a link
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I have a feeling expat pakistanis are stuck in time. They think Pakistan is at the same stage where they left the country.
I am amazed when people critcize Pakistan. I ask just one thing. What have you done for Pakistan.
you've pointed the cause and before the consequence, let me rephrase:
expats (pakistani and other third world expats...) tend to be from lower social background, with low education. They work hard in their "new" countries, but are stuck in time and culture of their native countries.
As a result their children get "confused", and that's why the second and third generation have some problem to adapt to their places, as well as to their motherlands, in the worst cases (minority hopefully): school failure, drugs
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I have a feeling expat pakistanis are stuck in time. They think Pakistan is at the same stage where they left the country.
I am amazed when people critcize Pakistan. I ask just one thing. What have you done for Pakistan.
You are totally right about expat Pakistanis being stuck in time because they are. They left Pakistan in the 1960s and 70's, when the vices there were well hidden and sharafat meant something. It is shocking for our parents and for us who have been brainwashed into thinking Pakistan is a moral utopia that it actually has "advanced" and westernized.
Little things stick out. My mother just returned from Pakistan and one day was at the PC in Lahore. There was some big exam going on and when the students exited, they were heavily flirting with one another, kind of the way American kids do, with hugs, love taps, too much lauging, etc. She was shocked because in her day, she went to a coed school and you would have been kicked out for such behavior. Or you go to a wedding, and EVERYONE is wearing spaghetti strap kameezes, except for the American desis, who everyone laughs at because they look like mais in their long sleeves and chadors. I remember going to McDonald's in Lahore once, and there was a high school aged couple clearly on a date.
My father was shocked when on a Friday, the adhaan started while he was in a car. He never misses juma namaz, so he told the driver to hurry and find a masjid. There are a lot of men on the streets who were just whiling away the time. My dad looks puzzled, why aren't the men going to juma? The driver laughs and retorts "No one reads namaz here until they are sick and dying." It's as if the population has become immune to the adhan.
I think it's hard to swallow the reality of a country that inisists on calling itself "The ISLAMIC republic of Pakistan," with all it's emphasis on religion, hudood ordinances, etc. But one thing is certain, that the worst people are usually at the very top or the very bottom of the socioeconomic ladder. The rich elite are the ones with glasses of brandy in their hands, the extramarital affairs, the wife swapping, the ecstasy parties, while the extremely poor ones are the misogynists abusing drugs. The middle class there is overwhelmingly shareef (as most of us see with our "boring" cousins) and those are the vast majority of people there.
We all love Pakistan and its idiosyncracies, and there's no crime in giving criticism. Pakistanis regularly hash it out ot expats who they think are drinking, doing drugs and sleeping around.
You ask what have we done for Pakistan? Let's see here...we infuse your economy with our hard earned money (foreign exchange) when we come, we give lots in charity to your people, we have sponsored health clinics and schools in your country, we organized relief campaigns for the earthquake, we send money to support our poor relatives who the government is failing to help, we invest in property over there, America educates many of your students and doctors, the list goes on and on. As far as Pakistanis being more civilized, that is quite arguable. You forget that the second and third generations are growing up in a cosmopolitan society that is the polar opposite to Pakistan. They have managed to keep religion and culture alive and they deserve credit for that.
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That’s not true, quas. Your nationalism is amusing, but India has an emergent middle class that Pakistan does not, and that is starting to give them economic strength in the region. People in India are also more pro-education than Pakistanis. Since India’s population is 10x’s that of Pakistan, of course you see more poor people in number, but the ratio is roughly the same. The level of poverty is the same as well. Maybe you’ve been sheltered, but to say that “no one is that poor in Pak” is an understatement. Go visit the inner city slums of Lahore and Karachi and you’ll change your tune. As far as violence goes, Pakistan has plenty of it (you’ve forgetten the nasty Sunni-Shia clashes that regularly occur). The weather is pretty much the same. Delhi an Lahore are analogous as are Karachi and Mumbai. And no, Pakistan is not #1 in South Asia, that honor easily goes to Sri Lanka.
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not for our pakistanis....but in general....if you give a group of un-educated people ways to drugs, money, sex....surely they will go krazy.
Sometimes its better not to experience, show and see things which are not RIGHT
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That’s not true, quas, and you know it. I find your nationalism amusing, but India has an emerging middle class, which Pakistan does not. And that middle class translates into economic strength. No, Lahore is not 25 years ahead of Delhi. They are both exactly the same. To say “no one is that poor in Pak” is naive. Perhaps you’ve lived a sheltered life, but I suggest you go visit the inner city slums of Lahore and Karachi. Sure the number of poor people in India is greater thanks to the fact that their population is 8x’s bigger than Pakistan’s, but actually Pakistan has the higher rate of below the poverty line than India does. And no, India does not have more violence than Pakistan. You seem to forget the Sunni Shia clashes that regularly appear in the news. The heat is exactly the same in both places. Delhi is analogous to Lahore and Karachi is analogous to Mumbai.
And NO, Pakistan is not #1 in South Asia behind China. That honor easily goes to Sri Lanka. They excel in almost every aspect of life as compared to Pakistan (higher literacy rate, life expectancy, lower birth rate and infant mortality, more controlled population growth, AIDS rate the same as Pakistan, less fertility rate, higher per capita income and less percentage of people below poverty line) Apart from slightly higher inflation, unemployment, and a slower GDP growth rate, Sri Lanka surpasses Pakistan. There goes your theory.
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Little things stick out. My mother just returned from Pakistan and one day was at the PC in Lahore. There was some big exam going on and when the students exited, they were heavily flirting with one another, kind of the way American kids do, with hugs, love taps, too much lauging, etc. She was shocked because in her day, she went to a coed school and you would have been kicked out for such behavior. Or you go to a wedding, and EVERYONE is wearing spaghetti strap kameezes, except for the American desis, who everyone laughs at because they look like mais in their long sleeves and chadors. I remember going to McDonald's in Lahore once, and there was a high school aged couple clearly on a date.
My father was shocked when on a Friday, the adhaan started while he was in a car. He never misses juma namaz, so he told the driver to hurry and find a masjid. There are a lot of men on the streets who were just whiling away the time. My dad looks puzzled, why aren't the men going to juma? The driver laughs and retorts "No one reads namaz here until they are sick and dying." It's as if the population has become immune to the adhan.
I think it's hard to swallow the reality of a country that inisists on calling itself "The ISLAMIC republic of Pakistan," with all it's emphasis on religion, hudood ordinances, etc. But one thing is certain, that the worst people are usually at the very top or the very bottom of the socioeconomic ladder. The rich elite are the ones with glasses of brandy in their hands, the extramarital affairs, the wife swapping, the ecstasy parties, while the extremely poor ones are the misogynists abusing drugs. The middle class there is overwhelmingly shareef (as most of us see with our "boring" cousins) and those are the vast majority of people there.
We all love Pakistan and its idiosyncracies, and there's no crime in giving criticism. Pakistanis regularly hash it out ot expats who they think are drinking, doing drugs and sleeping around.
You ask what have we done for Pakistan? Let's see here...we infuse your economy with our hard earned money (foreign exchange) when we come, we give lots in charity to your people, we have sponsored health clinics and schools in your country, we organized relief campaigns for the earthquake, we send money to support our poor relatives who the government is failing to help, we invest in property over there, America educates many of your students and doctors, the list goes on and on. As far as Pakistanis being more civilized, that is quite arguable. You forget that the second and third generations are growing up in a cosmopolitan society that is the polar opposite to Pakistan. They have managed to keep religion and culture alive and they deserve credit for that.
Perfect post :)
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Nia I agree with almost all of what you said, esp. 3rd para :DRight on! No ABCD for me either :no: Nopes!
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so is my fiance
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lol, u guys cant get enough of bashing pakistan, can you, the namaaz part is applicable to most “muslims” even the ones in western countries even though it might be hard for you to swallow, Tauba Astagfar, anyway if you dont have something nice to say about Pakistan dont say anything at all.
You ask what have we done for Pakistan? Let’s see here…we infuse your economy with our hard earned money (foreign exchange) when we come, we give lots in charity to your people, we have sponsored health clinics and schools in your country, we organized relief campaigns for the earthquake, we send money to support our poor relatives who the government is failing to help, we invest in property over there, America educates many of your students and doctors, the list goes on and on.
Sounds like an american.
PAKISTAN ZINDABAD:jhanda:
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ABCDs and BBCDs -stop Pakistan bashing. there are many things wrong with ur countries too…for example when most people think of canada, they think of gays…cuz its known to be a majority gay country.
when people in UK, think of America, they think of fat lazy people who have no morals at all…and sleep around at any opportunity they can find…and all the kids are into computer games so wear THICK glasses…and they’re so “paindu” (American version of paindus) they cant even speak properly…be it in English or Urdu. and the wannabe goras -ur the saddest cases. and ur all confused and have identity problems.
also, about 99% of people is USA/Canada would have slept around with various partners before getting married…(whether they are confused pakistani kids or white people)
how does that feel me generalising about ur beloved canada and America?
Pakistan Zindabad
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Generalization = BAD, UNFAIR
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...canada being a gay country, what made you think that?
i expect a backlash from all our kanaaadian members for such a remark.
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LOL canada a gay country??
Maybe NYC or sanfrancisco (gay cities) but NOT canada 
Maybe hte law allows gay marriage, but their presence is not as much heard as wud be say New York city 