Re: Pakistani clerics seeking decree to declare Aga Khanis infidels
No, benefit is to separate the two, two of those who are totally different. I think this answer should suffice for further offtopic discussion. OR you may continue it by opening a separate thread.
Re: Pakistani clerics seeking decree to declare Aga Khanis infidels
hahaha
Re: Pakistani clerics seeking decree to declare Aga Khanis infidels
Wouldnt it be funny if another group with a long retarded name were to pop up some day and go on a mission to have Sunni's declared Non-Muslims...
That would be a site:)
Re: Pakistani clerics seeking decree to declare Aga Khanis infidels
you really do not deserve the polite discussion. Do you:)? Qadiyaani faith is the insult of Prophet:saw: and by having them in the shelter of one ummah was like having aasteen kay saanp within the ummah.
happy now?
Re: Pakistani clerics seeking decree to declare Aga Khanis infidels
No ofcourse not, that is unless you consider yourself a second class citizen who’s religious sensitivities are less improtant then the majority…
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Surror, again no Imaan and you can get into a lot of trouble when Allah tests you. I am not saying that those things that you mentioned do not happen. I dont have to not feed my family for a week… ever heard of Ramazan …one of the purpose is ofr us to feel the same pans of hunger that poor people go through.
Maybe to you religion means nothing, but I have seen first hand what “tawaqal” means. When you think all is lost and you belive in Allah, he will provide for you. I have fallen on hard times before. I have lived out of my car…with no money at all. I am talking nada… only thing left was my car and a few clothes. I did not kill my self…neither did I turn against God. Your Iman/faith will get you through any hardship…only condition is that you have to rely on Allah unconditionally
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I have seen the similar in my life too. The only difference is that I was dependent on my parents and in my teens that time. I remember when my father was out of job and how my mother used to sell sookhi roTiyaaN to earn some money so we could eat some thing. But I have learnt that the time of tests passes as long as you have FAITH. I am thankful to ALLAH for the fact that my father taught this to all of us.
Re: Pakistani clerics seeking decree to declare Aga Khanis infidels
You sound a lot like those biggot, born again white people who call Islam the 21 century satan…
Does it ever bother you that the same garbage you spout is used to describe you in turn?
Re: Pakistani clerics seeking decree to declare Aga Khanis infidels
First go learn what Qadiyani faith is and why it is against Islam and then come back.
Re: Pakistani clerics seeking decree to declare Aga Khanis infidels
But the problem is Anwaar bhai, other than discriminating against Qadiyanis in jobs and ruining their businesses, putting a thupa on the passport, burning some mosques (oh excuse me ibadat gah), removing the kalma with the Holy Prophet (saw) name and killing & jailing some people here an there, the 21 years of effort did nothing else. The "ansteen ka sannp’ is growing like never before.
Instead those who pursed those efforts in the interest of Ummah are now being jailed, beaten up (mostly unjustly I consider), considered threat to national security and basically being cursed by the world & accused of crimes like mosque bombings and drive by shootings. It’s a sad sad state.
And the real question still remains, after the 21 years of endless effort by Mulana Allah Wasaha sahib, had the effort made the ordinary Pakistani Muslim a better one? If not than, what good is this effort for those who consider to follow the Sunnah of the Holy Prophet (saw)?
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chaleay.. i agree to disagree. maybe i need to fall real hard to realize all that 
who knows some day i will.
btw during ramzaan, u still have sehri and iftari, and ur kids are too young to fast. ur heart will cut into pieces to see ur darlings starve at such young age iam sure. when u went through all that u were old and strong enuf to pick urself up and start all over again. i can almost bet u’ll feel a lot worse if all that happens now and u have no way to provide for ur family. what i do realize after reading ur’s and AQ’s unfortunate ordeal is that religion provided u with an escape and to have a goal to work towards to.
khair..baat kahaN say kahaN agaee.
i just think its totally wrong to label a community with anything negative when they have contributed so much for the same country u or ur relatives live in.
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Atleast, it is cleared that Qadiyanies are not muslim and many muslims did manage not to be part of their family and ruining their Iman (there are still few uneducated lads from punjab who are unaware of the fact)
oh and yeah talking of discrimination of job.. what a joke? Qadiyanies have been and still are on high posts including army and science & technology..
and talking about growing numbers, well when you show jobless people the "green dreams" of getting job and all, the people with weak imaan do sell it for the qadiyaani faith...
atleast, it's a continuous jihaad that started in 53, won a major battle in 74 and still in progress...
thankyouverymuch!
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Ok, that didn't make any sense. Are you saying the uneducated lads from Punjab hold high posts in "army and science & technology.." or were you talking about those jobless ones who only after becoming Qadiyani are bestowed upon the high posts in GHQ & the foreign ministry?
Must be wayy past bedtime in NYC, sou jao meray bhai.
Re: Pakistani clerics seeking decree to declare Aga Khanis infidels
ab kiya hijjay kar kay paRhwaaouN?
the first two lines have nothing to confused with the later. those were about non-qadiyanies of mostly the punjab rural area, thinking qadiyanies are muslim.
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I kow what they belive, been here long enough to know, but I dont catre, its their belief, they have a right to it as any other human being…
Point is that regardless of what the religion says, you have no right to insult anyone..
Because as much as you would want others to respect your beliefs you have to respect theirs..
yOU CANT PROVE ANYTHING IN YOUR RELIGION, IT COULD ALL BE A LIE…
So why not give everyone the respect they deserve and the right to belive in what ever fiction they want…
Re: Pakistani clerics seeking decree to declare Aga Khanis infidels
say it all they want and practice it freely all they want, just do not confuse people by calling it Islam.
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Thats a lie, I know Ahmedis, many happen to be from my village and they were never allowed to be in the Army, or werent given the postions of rank…
The Jihad should be against people like you…
Re: Pakistani clerics seeking decree to declare Aga Khanis infidels
I know many people who were ahmadi too and were in the high post as well… there was one foreign misniter of pakistan in mid 60’s as well 
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Yeah, but the problem is that pakistan doesnt allow them to practice it freely..
Secondly, the govt has no right to interfere in religous matters they are not the custodians of peoples faith.
Third, what if someday people start saying Sunnis should stop calling themselves Muslims how would that be?
Re: Pakistani clerics seeking decree to declare Aga Khanis infidels
WE are talking about NOW butt plug not 40 years ago.. 40 years ago people werent as fanatical..
A lot of these people were kicked out or not allowed to progress by the way.
Today its even worse.
Ahmedis along with other minorities are barred from military, or are totally discriminated against…