Pakistan vs India

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*Originally posted by smooth_guy: *

Pakistan's -ve:
None of the batsmen are in form.
Cannot handle pressure at all.
Second batting means 99% chances of loosing the match unless the oponents are out within 150.
Lots of Extras given by bowlers.
Batsmen have no temprament to stay on wicket.
lacking sixth bowler, can't put pressure in the middle of the innings.
A bad and out of form captain.
Lots of changes in team and the batting order.
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I can see Pakisan winning this game. If these are the only weaknesses they have :)

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*Originally posted by rvikz: *
both countries should give up this idiotic cricket.
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And why is that rvikz? Is it because Pakistan has a superior win record overall? Or is it because you South Indians believe that there is huge north indian lobby influence over Indian cricket?

Are you ready to rumble????????????????????

10 hours away from the first ball being bowled.

Common you crazy cricketers! Let's go!

So who will be watching Kenya-Bangladesh match tomorrow? :hehe:

Rising to the occasion](http://www.wisden.com/misc/free/page5.asp?colid=44121301)

A look at the performances of the top players from both India and Pakistan reveals that while the Pakistanis have found a higher gear against their arch rivals, the Indians have consistently underperformed. Among India’s top three batsmen, Sourav Ganguly is the only one whose average against Pakistan (43.27) is more his overall ODI average (42.34). Sachin Tendulkar and Rahul Dravid both average significantly lesser against Pakistan than they do against other teams. On the other hand, Saeed Anwar, Inzamam-ul-Haq and Yousuf Youhana have enjoyed plenty of success against India.

Indian batsmen
Against Pakistan Overall
Player Matches Runs Av 100 Matches Runs Av 100
Tendulkar 43 1335 36.08 2 308 11917 44.30 34
Ganguly 35 1225 43.27 2 223 8427 42.34 20
Dravid 34 818 27.26 1 201 6304 38.43 8

Pakistani batsmen
Against India Overall
Player Matches Runs Av 100 Matches Runs Av 100
Anwar 49 1901 42.24 3 245 8682 38.75 19
Inzamam 44 1449 42.61 2 288 8948 38.56 8
Youhana 11 392 49.00 1 125 4288 42.45 8

It’s a similar story for the bowlers. Anil Kumble has an excellent record against Pakistan, but Javagal Srinath and Ajit Agarkar have a poorer average and economy rate against Pakistan. Pakistan’s stand out bowler against India is Shoaib Akhtar: not only is he a wicket-taker, his economy rate is a measly 3.52.

Indian bowlers
Against Pakistan Overall
Player Matches Wkts Av ER Matches Wkts Av ER
Srinath 35 53 30.47 5.07 223 306 28.13 4.44
Kumble 30 49 22.95 4.18 240 308 29.47 4.23
Agarkar 14 18 40.77 5.73 110 166 28.73 5.12

Pakistani bowlers
Against India Overall
Player Matches Wkts Av ER Matches Wkts Av ER
Akram 47 60 24.36 3.70 354 502 23.43 3.89
Waqar 25 35 23.85 4.45 260 414 23.78 4.67
Shoaib 13 18 19.77 3.52 79 132 20.77 4.54

Not surprisingly, Ganguly is the only Indian batsman to figure in the Wisden 100’s top five innings in matches between the two teams. Leading the way is Anwar’s epic 194 – the highest ODI score. In second place is an innings which still haunts Indian fans: Javed Miandad’s unforgettable 116 not out included a last-ball six which gave Pakistan an incredible victory.

Batsman Runs Balls W100 Idx Year Venue
Anwar 194 146 225.6 1997 Chennai
Miandad 116* 114 198.3 1986 Sharjah
Ganguly 141 144 194.3 2000 Dhaka
Ijaz 139* 84 188.5 1997 Lahore
Inzamam 107 115 164.6 1999 Sharjah

Pakistan dominate the top five bowling performances too – Venkatesh Prasad is the only Indian to figure in the list. The next-best Indian is Sourav Ganguly, with his 5 for 16 in Toronto in 1996-97. The top two performances are both by Aaqib Javed. His 7 for 37 at Sharjah included a hat-trick – Ravi Shastri, Mohammad Azharuddin and Tendulkar were all trapped lbw.

Bowler Analysis W100 Year Venue
Aaqib 7 for 37 269.7 1991 Sharjah
Aaqib 5 for 19 199.7 1995 Sharjah
Mushtaq 5 for 36 186.8 1996 Toronto
Prasad 5 for 27 185.8 1999 Old Trafford
Imran 6 for 14 182.0 1985 Sharjah

Tomorrow’s Match:

THE TEAM

No more time for pussy-footing around, we have to play to our strengths. We aren’t going to bat India out of this match with the form our batsmen are in, so we have to look to our bowlers to make sure they don’t get many either. I say we bring in Sami and go for the kill. Razzaq or Saqi have to make way and because neither are looking like taking wickets Razzaq gets the nod for his batting. His big-hitting might be required if Tendulkar makes a score. With a wet forecast tomorrow, it’s not likely to be a spinners pitch anyway. The only question mark is whether Elahi or Younis should play. Elahi’s in better form, but Younis probably the better player bu there’s not much in it. I’d go for best player if push comes to shove.

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  1. Saeed
  2. Taufeeq
  3. Younis
  4. Yoyo
  5. Razzaq
  6. Inzimam
  7. Rashid
  8. Wasim
  9. Shoiab
  10. Waqar
  11. Sami**

THE GAMEPLAN

We aren’t going to drop Inzimam because if Sachin gets going and India put up a big score, only our best batsmen will be capable of answering in the same style. We have to pick our best and then back them to do the business. With Inzimam short of confidence I would hold him back till later in the innings when the ball will be softer and hopefully the other guys will have given us a decent platform. If he goes in too early and follows another batsman quickly into the pavilion it puts us under too much pressure.

If we bat first, see off the new ball, keep wickets intact, then go all out in the last 15 overs. We get 240 + we’ll have a great chance of defending that with our bowlers. If we have to chase, same applies. keep them down to 240 or less then don’t lose early wickets and the runs will take care of themselves providing the basmen don’t get themselves out hitting stupid shots too early. The batsmen don’t need to play brilliantly, just see us to a respectable total and then leave the rest to the bowlers.

**Come on guys, it’s time to show up and make everybody’s nightmares come true. On the way out then BANG! - back in **

:wave: Limeys it’s over for you

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India v Pakistan: Not for the faint-hearted

There was thunder, lightning and a heavy downpour here on the eve of the game, perhaps the most-awaited and the most-hyped contest of the first round in this 2003 World Cup. However, the sun broke out later in the afternoon. And it perhaps was in the fitness of things that thunder and showers came a day early than on the match-day.

The forecast for Saturday being just partly cloudy, with no rain predicted, the sparks are likely to fly throughout the high-voltage game.
A match between Pakistan and India is never for the weak in heart. But with Pakistan painted into a corner and scrambling to find themselves a slot in the Super Sixes, and India resurgent after three back-to-back wins - not to mention a packed-to-capacity 20,000 strong partisan crowd at the Supersport Park egging both outfits on to go for the jugular - this is likely to be a heart-stopper.

Pakistan’s high-profile pace attack going after arguably the best batting line-up in the world on a wicket which offers pace and bounce would obviously give the contest added colour.

Coming into the game India are, of course, on a high. After they were tamed by Australia on this very ground by a staggering nine-wicket margin, India have managed to put their World Cup campaign back on track by notching up three wins, the most important of them at Durban against England. And as a result India are sitting pretty along with Australia - both having qualified for the next round.

In the meanwhile, Pakistan have mostly been in a shambles. The game against England was lost as the chase faltered under the lights at Cape Town - the same fate that condemned England against India at Durban.
So there is whole lot more at stake for Pakistan, other than the loss of face which invariably accompanies a reverse against India. Pakistan need points from a win, as well as salvaging pride. Though Pakistan would still have a window open if they rustle up a big win against Zimbabwe, victory against India would provide them a cushion for comfort.

In his pre-match press conference, Indian skipper Sourav Ganguly tried to play it down, by saying that it would just be another game for his team. And that he just wanted to retain the momentum. “For us, it is just a World Cup game. I don’t want to go into the political side.”

But it is indeed going to be a high-pressure game. And even Ganguly had to concede that the game had much wider implications. “Both our teams should be pretty careful with displays of emotion on the field for it could spill off the field,” he said. And when asked whether he would resist the temptation of sledging back, with a wry smile he answered back that he “would not start it.”

In his talk to the media, Waqar Younis expressed similar sentiments. “This is going to be a very hard game. The emotions run high, I’m already getting calls from back home. There are loads of expectations. But we are just taking it as another game, a very important game though. We want to win badly, it’s a do and die match for us.”

Pakistan’s worries are many, their opponents being the least of them. Their batting has scarcely got going even against the minnows. The form of the middle order, especially the key figure of Inzamam-ul-Haq having just ten runs to his name in four outings, has been dismal, with that of Yousuf Youhana being better but only marginally so. Barring the minnows Namibia and Holland, Pakistan have failed to get a worthwhile start, and with few wickets preserved till the so-called slog overs, no wonder Shoaib Akhtar has been their best batsman.

The fielding, after occasionally showing discipline, has mostly frayed at the edges as well.

The captaincy, especially the choice of bowlers in the middle overs, has allowed opponents reprieve at a point when tightening of screws was sorely needed. That is why from 146 for five in the 30th over, and 118 for five at the halfway stage, Australia and England respectively were allowed to notch up far bigger totals than they would ordinarily have if Pakistan had bowled and fielded with zest and imagination.

In contrast, India have been gradually peaking in all departments of the game. Their batting is looking up, with all main batsmen Sachin Tendulkar, Sourav Ganguly and Rahul Dravid getting runs, bowling is becoming more and more incisive and fielding, especially of youngsters Mohammad Kaif and Yuvraj Singh at times is more than just quite sharp.

So Pakistan would surely require lifting their game several notches to prevail over India. But above all, what they would need is skipper Waqar Younis shunning a rather defensive, perhaps a loser’s mindset and inspire his charges to have a go at the opposition.

If he does so, and the boys respond to him, Pakistan have the resources to beat India after a three-year hiatus (last time they met was the 2000 Asia Cup final) and in the process win their first World Cup tie against their arch-rival in four outings. But to achieve that end, they would have to fire on all cylinders against an increasingly confident Indian team.

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http://www-pak.cricket.org/link_to_database/ARCHIVE/CRICKET_NEWS/2003/FEB/149144_WC2003_28FEB2003.html

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Inzamam set to bounce back against India - Waqar

CENTURION, South Africa, Feb 28 (Reuters) - Pakistan captain Waqar Younis is backing Inzamam-ul-Haq to regain his World Cup form against India on Saturday, just as he bounced back from a bad start in the 1992 tournament.

Inzamam, the fourth highest run-scorer in one-day internationals and Pakistan’s premier batsman, has made 10 runs in four Group A innings.

“In 1992, Inzy was very new to the game,” Waqar told reporters on Friday. "He didn’t get many runs in the early matches but, later on, he came good and helped Pakistan win the World Cup.

“We have full faith in him. He’s our main player.”

Inzamam made a brilliant 60 in the 1992 semi-final against New Zealand, earning him the man-of-the-match award.

Pakistan coach Richard Pybus was also confident that his top batsman would shine against India on Saturday.

SIMPLE TECHNIQUE

“Inzamam is only one innings away from form,” he said. “With Inzy, his technique is very simple.”

Pakistan, with eight points from four games and fourth in Group A, desperately need to win against India to keep their Super Six hopes on course.

Waqar is well aware that Pakistan have not beaten their Asian rivals in three previous World Cup meetings.

“Of course, it is in our minds, but there is always a first time,” he said. “It is really important that we win this match, thankfully it is a very different ball game.”

Pakistan have a tendency to blow hot and cold but Waqar is expecting his team to produce an upbeat display against India.

“We play more attacking cricket than other teams, and I suppose that is one reason (for their up-and-down displays),” he said. “But I believe tomorrow will be a very hot day for us.”

**http://www-pak.cricket.org/link_to_database/ARCHIVE/CRICKET_NEWS/2003/FEB/149135_REUTERS_28FEB2003.html

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*Originally posted by Mr Xtreme: *

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1. Saeed
2. Taufeeq
3. Younis
4. Yoyo
5. Razzaq
6. Inzimam
7. Rashid
8. Wasim
9. Shoiab
10. Waqar
11. Sami**

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I like this team, this is the best possible team But i dont think other seniors will opt for Sami instead of Saqi. But yes i agree Sami and Waqar can carry on the good work started by Shoaib and Wasim unlike Waqar and Saqi.

I have read on one of the sites that Pakistan will play Azhar instead of Razzaq.

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*Originally posted by ehsan: *
I have read on one of the sites that Pakistan will play Azhar instead of Razzaq.
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That would be suicide and the kind of soft-headed, muddled thinking that has got us into this position in the first place. Azhar is no better a bowler than Razzaq and a much worse batsman.

To get into the super six Pakistan has to win both the remaining matches, right?

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*Originally posted by aishaA: *
To get into the super six Pakistan has to win both the remaining matches, right?
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Right.

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*Originally posted by ehsan: *
I have read on one of the sites that Pakistan will play Azhar instead of Razzaq.
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well i highly doubt this, but if this happens All the best to azhar.

Xtreem bhai, I agree with the team, but I doubt they will play Taufeeq Umar, Elahi will get the go ahead of Taufeeq.
And sami who hasn't even played any match in this cup, will not likely to play, but I think they might just bring Afridi for Saqi, the only possible replacement.

Saeed Anwar
Salem Elahi
Younis Khan
Yousuf Youhana
Inzimam ul Haq
Shahid Afridi
Abdul Razzaq
Rashid Latif
Wasim Akram
Shoaib Akhtar
Waqar Younis

Inzimam should come in in the later part of the innings as the ball gets softer as Saby mentioned above. And sending Younis Khan at number 3 might be a good idea, because if we lose quick wickets in the top order, we wouldn't lose our best batsman in Youhana.
Afridi should be played for Saqi, very risky, but Saqi is badly out of form and he struggled against the Dutch.

It will all come down to the toss for Pakistan. If Pakistan win the toss and bat first..then they have a good chance of winning the match. If Pakistan bat second..then honestly I don't see any chance of Pakistan winning this match. Here is my team for this match :

Saeed Anwar
Taufeeq Umer
Yousef Youhana
Younis Khan
Inzamam-Ul-Haq
Shahid Afridi
Abdul Razzaq
Rashid Latif
Wasim Akram
Shoaib Akhtar
Waqar Younis

Yousef Youhana needs to be sent in up the order because he is only batsmen who seems to be in some sort of form. Saeed really needs to start converting his 20's into 50's. Taufeeq Umer just needs to stay out there and play the anchor role. Saleem Elahi cannot do that, cuz thats not his natural game. Afridi should be played for Saqlain for a few reasons. First reason, Saqlain hasn't looked very impressive, second reason, India plays the spin well, and finally, If we bring in Afridi late in the order...he can get a few quick runs against Kumble and Harbhajan. Bringing Afridi in will also improve our feilding.

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*Originally posted by UMAIR316: *
Xtreem bhai, I agree with the team, but I doubt they will play Taufeeq Umar, Elahi will get the go ahead of Taufeeq..

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nah yaara, i dont think so. The best way to counter two left armers is to play two left handers at the top. Rngland lost knight through run out and tresco was horribnly out of form otherwise left handers handles left armers well. Coz of the natural angle with which they face and one more thing, Zaheer doesnt bowl out swingers to the left handers That effectively, Nehra does that.

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*Originally posted by UMAIR316: *
Xtreem bhai, I agree with the team, but I doubt they will play Taufeeq Umar, Elahi will get the go ahead of Taufeeq.

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Umair bhai, if you're going to agree with me (in hindsight) then at least learn to spell Xtreme properly unless you have some sort of problem.

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*Originally posted by saby: *

nah yaara, i dont think so. The best way to counter two left armers is to play two left handers at the top. Rngland lost knight through run out and tresco was horribnly out of form otherwise left handers handles left armers well. Coz of the natural angle with which they face and one more thing, Zaheer doesnt bowl out swingers to the left handers That effectively, Nehra does that.
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Spot on Saby. Taufeeq's and Saeed's greates strength is negating the R/A bowler's most dangerous new ball delivery which is away from R/H batsmen but inswing to lefties. I think both guys can handle Nehra, Srinath and Zaheer. Taufeeq I have no worries about, Saeed will have to avoid gifting his wicket which he has done last couple of matches.

**8.3 hours left for the first ball to be bowled :slight_smile:

I suggest all the Pakistani supporters should pray 2 Nafals in advance and 2 Nafals after winning the match, I did 4 :slight_smile: and will pray 4 more after PAK wins. After all ALLAH is the one whom we should ask and thank for everything.

Inshallah Allah will guide Pakistan to victory :jhanda:
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