Pakistan vs India

i have a feeling all hell will break loose tomorrow......i like it ;)

i already have a bet going that tendi will be gone under 10 :p

Here is Viv’s views on the match, taken from rediff

Pak will come hard at India

February 27, 2003

I’m sure India’s impressive win against England would have done a lot to improve the mood of the team’s supporters back home.

Sourav Ganguly won an important toss, and like the other teams in this tournament’s day-night games made full use of batting first and bowling in the evening. I knew England were in for trouble when I saw Rahul Dravid, who is such timer of the ball, having trouble with his timing towards the end of his innings. The ball had started to grip the surface, and the bowlers were getting some assistance.

I have seen enough of the Indian seamers, Zaheer Khan, Ashish Nehra and Javagal Srinath to know they would be able to do the job. More importantly, the Indians had batted sensibly to reach 250, a total that was always going to be beyond England.

Nehra and Zaheer are improved bowlers, who can be pretty effective in conditions where the ball swings. They looked excited and motivated on a pitch that offered some assistance. It is now up to the Indian authorities to repose some faith in these guys and produce pitches that will assist them and test their batsmen. Till now India’s batsmen have been found wanting on bouncy tracks, like the one they played on against Australia, where only Sachin Tendulkar offered some resistance.

The loss against Australia seems very long ago now. At present India look pretty confident and will meet traditional foes Pakistan with momentum on their side. However, I have seen that whenever both meet, Pakistan prevails regardless of what has gone before.

**The Pakistanis play with more guts, more desperation and more aggression when they meet India, and we will have to wait and see if this happens at the Centurion.

At this stage, India are playing good cricket and Pakistan are in disarray, but I would not be surprised if all that changes when the two teams meet on Saturday. India’s challenge will be to psyche themselves up to reach the level of preparedness that Pakistan achieves during such games. I guess the political rivalry and history comes into it in some ways, but India will have to find a way to lift themselves for this big game**

As far as the West Indies is concerned, the group has been opened up by Kenya’s remarkable victory against Sri Lanka. It’s a day-night game against Sri Lanka and the toss will be crucial. The Sri Lankan team are a wounded side and in cricket, a wounded side can be dangerous. Their loss to Kenya was a hiccup, and they are bound to come hard at us.

The Canada team was also a wounded team when they played us last week, and John Davison’s batting was a result of trying to show the world that Canada were worth much more than the 36 runs they scored against Sri Lanka.

Two factors will come into play in the match. How the West Indies batsmen play Murali Muralitharan and how our bowlers bowl to their opening batsmen. We have struggled against Murali in the past, but these are conditions very different from the ones he bowls in at home. In South Africa, the wickets are a lot harder and firmer, so he will be nullified to some extent – which is good for our batsmen.

We plan to basically stick to playing three bowlers with our bits-and-pieces men looking after the remaining 20 overs. In this tournament, our batting has been our strength and we will rely on that in this game.

However, we will look at getting the ball in the right spot this time – something we did not do against Davison. That performance was a wake-up call and we will have to prove Friday that we have learnt our lessons.

Similarly, Sri Lanka has got a wake-up call from Kenya and will be eager to redeem themselves. Both teams will be on their toes as there is a place in the Super Six as well as their reputation on the line.

Cut it Spock :rolleyes: There is only one thing that matters and that is performance on the day. :slight_smile:

Anyone here know who we are gonna play tomorrow?

Is Afridi playing?
Is Younis Khan playing?
What about Taufeeq Umer and Salim Elahi?

If I see Afridi's name at the 3 in the morning on Saturday....i swear i will blow up my TV set....

The Game Responds:

            *Exact'afreakin'gly. One good day can turn Ashish Nehra into a star; which I never thought would ever happen. People, That Is All.*

1 more day left!!! Can’t wait till tommorow…but i kinda got a bad feelin. Well lets just hope we win :jhanda:

All i wish for that it doenst become a one sided match either way. India is definetly starting match against Pakistan as favorites first time in a decade. Lets see how pakistan fares . if they bat sensibly , i m sure pakistan can win INSHA’ALLAH :jhanda:

both countries should give up this idiotic cricket.

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*Originally posted by Spock: *
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The bowling is no where equal... I mean you cannot compare Wasim, Waqar, Shoaib, Saqi to the present Indian bowlers. However, I would also say the opposite holds for Indias batting, which is superior to Pakistans. Again, you cannot compare people like Taufeeq to the likes of Tendulkar...
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So essentially its like US's Super Bowl where best defense met best offense??

Jai Hind

:D

Anyone knows the historical data on Pak-India ODI? How many have been played and the results?

What is pakistan's position ? I am sorry for ma ignorance, ... how many points do them need to win the wc ? :) thanks

lahola wala :smash:
:jhanda: Pakistan Zindabaad :jhanda:

achaa khair no picking :stuck_out_tongue:
be nice! me off!

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*Originally posted by smooth_guy: *
Anyone knows the historical data on Pak-India ODI? How many have been played and the results?
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                       P   W   L  T  NR    %  HS  LS  MC  LC BatAv BowAv 
unfiltered           547 290 240  6  11  55% 371  43 363  64  29.5  27.5 
filtered              85  52  29  0   4  64% 327  87 316  79  31.0  26.7 
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Year                   P   W   L  T  NR    %  HS  LS  MC  LC BatAv BowAv  

1978                   3   2   1  0   0  67% 205 166 183  79  26.7  22.7

1982                   3   2   1  0   0  67% 263 224 226 210  82.1  37.0 

1983                   3   1   2  0   0  33% 198   - 197 197  27.1  28.7 

1984                   3   1   1  0   1  50% 199 134 210 153  19.5  32.4

1985                   4   1   3  0   0  25% 203  87 184 125  19.6  24.6 

1986                   2   2   0  0   0 100% 248 248 245 144  24.5  22.8 

1987                   7   6   1  0   0  86% 286   - 265 183  38.7  30.3 

1988                   2   1   1  0   0  50% 246 142 212 212  19.4  25.3

1989                   6   5   0  0   1 100% 279 279 273 112  30.5  20.9

1990                   1   1   0  0   0 100% 235 235 209 209  26.1  20.9

1991                   3   2   1  0   0  67% 262 178 253 190  30.3  34.0

1992                   1   0   1  0   0   0% 173 173 216   -  17.3  30.8 

1994                   2   2   0  0   0 100% 250 250 219 211  47.3 21.5

1995                   1   1   0  0   0 100% 266 266 169 169  29.5  16.9 

1996                   9   5   4  0   0  56% 277 136 305 161  28.9  29.0

1997                  12   5   5  0   2  50% 327 116 292 170  32.6  30.0 

1998                   9   5   4  0   0  56% 316 189 316 180  36.8  28.5

1999                   7   5   2  0   0  71% 291 180 227 125  31.8  21.7

2000                   7   5   2  0   0  71% 295 146 267 157  31.1  23.7 




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listen guys i honestlly think afridi should be played in the place of saqi!! saqi is no different than afirid at this moment! so why not have a better fielder and obviously a better batsman if played at number 6!!

open with taufeeq and saeed for sure...followed by saleem elahi and then yousuf youhana...and then put inzi then razaq..phir hmm afridi, rashid, wasim shoaib and waqar! .......i say this is like the best team we can have!! we have strongest batting order we can get! and younis khan? he has done sh!t from 7 months of cricket..so i would prefer elahi instead of younis!!

i say just go with this team and plzz plzz win for onceeeeeeee!! i swear i dont think i will be able to bear the loss for a long time to come!!1

inshallah we r gonnna win...and make dua everyone! :)

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"I am targeting the entire Indian team but Sachin Tendulkar is my main target. Also Rahul Dravid; he is the key to the lower order. He comes in and scores 50 runs in no time," he said
"I love to bowl to the bigger names and Tendulkar is one of them. I will also go for (Virender) Sehwag. But Tendulkar is the greatest," he said, adding that bowling to the Indians is easier because they struggle against genuine pace. **...

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shut up big mouth. deliver the goods, not words.

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*Originally posted by Zoab_Khan: *
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Someone said 230runs would be enough for us. Personally i want to see India score 350runs. Imagine if they play Afridi and he's really on hitting 6's on 6's. Chakkay per chakkay. ....
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Afridi does not belong to Indian camp, and who do you really want to score 350?

Mundiyaa! thanks a lot man....we surely have a good record against these creatures.

OK...we all pray for Pakistan's win and we need this win apart from all hype and rival thingy.

But the current fact after having played 4 matches so far looks like.

India's +ve:

Psychologically they are better.
Handle pressure very well.
No doubt India is one of the best batting side..way better than Pakistan, I must confess.
Batting second for Indians is not that big deal contrary to their counterparts who fall apart if the target is more than 220.
Minimal Extras given by bowlers.

India's -ve"

Low class bowling attack. Worse than bhungi (kapil)'s days.
Batsmen affraid of lightning fast bowling.
Middle order batsmen not clicking...our bowlers can be lethal for them.
Too much dependency on Tendu.

Pakistan's +ve:

Best bowling attack in the world.
Have some good name in the batting lineup.
Play all kind of bowling.
Fielding is OK.
Natural stroke players.
3 all rounders who can put some fast runs on the board.

Pakistan's -ve:
None of the batsmen are in form.
Cannot handle pressure at all.
Second batting means 99% chances of loosing the match unless the oponents are out within 150.
Lots of Extras given by bowlers.
Batsmen have no temprament to stay on wicket.
lacking sixth bowler, can't put pressure in the middle of the innings.
A bad and out of form captain.
Lots of changes in team and the batting order.

Memorable Pakistan v India one-day matches

March 22, 1985, Sharjah, UAE: The first match between the two countries on neutral ground in Sharjah ended in a sensational 38-run win for India. India successfully defended a paltry 125 as Pakistan stumbled for 87.

April 18, 1986, Sharjah, UAE: Needing four to win off the last ball, Javed Miandad hit a six over mid-wicket off Indian seamer Chetan Sharma to pull off a one-wicket win for Pakistan. Chasing the Indian target of 246, Miandad held the innings together to remain unbeaten on 116.

October 25, 1991, Sharjah, UAE: Pakistan’s Aquib Javed claimed 7-31, including a hat-trick to remove Ravi Shastri, Mohammad Azharuddin and Sachin Tendulkar to help his team win by 72 runs in the Champions Trophy. India, who were forced to bat in near darkness, did not play in Sharjah for two years in protest.

March 9, 1996, Bangalore, India: Venkatesh Prasad and Anil Kumble took three wickets apiece to help India win the World Cup quarter-final by 39 runs. India made 287-8 with Navjot Sidhu making 93 and Ajay Jadeja 45 off 25 balls. Pakistan stumbled after a rollicking start to finish on 248-9. Pakistani captain Wasim Akram, who pulled out of the match at the last moment due to a shoulder injury, received death threats after the loss and his Lahore home was stoned.

January 18, 1998, Dhaka, Bangladesh: India chased a then world record of 315 runs to win the best-of-three Independence Cup final. Centuries from Saeed Anwar and Ijaz Ahmed in Pakistan’s innings were followed by Sourav Ganguly’s 124 as India won in near darkness through a last-over boundary by Hrishikesh Kanitkar.

June 3, 2000, Dhaka, Bangladesh: The last match between the two teams, part of the Asia Cup, saw Pakistan win by 44 runs. Yousuf Youhana’s last ball six gave him a century and lifted Pakistan to 295-7 from 50 overs. India were bowled out for 251 despite Jadeja’s 93 that included eight boundaries and four sixes. —AFP