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Asif that's a good one really ..... but somehow true mate
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I know yaar, funny it may sound but it's true. Even Ijaj Faqih scored a century against us. :)
^^ kami u phoool 
who does hindoostan play against to gain form.
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who does hindoostan play against to gain form.
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abay bhai saheb, now days Hindustanis are hiding from us, so we have to look for the team of the same class, Bangladesh comes to mind.
Reminds me of Akram's "We dont mind losing to brothers" line, when Pak got smacked by BD in the 1999 worldcup.
Whoever is the current captain of Pak should rehearse that line...
I hope the Bangladeshis don't get too complacent though... :)
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Reminds me of Akram's "We dont mind losing to brothers" line, when Pak got smacked by BD in the 1999 worldcup.
Whoever is the current captain of Pak should rehearse that line...
I hope the Bangladeshis don't get too complacent though... :)
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Seems like Akram's statement bothers u a lot ;).
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Reminds me of Akram's "We dont mind losing to brothers" line, when Pak got smacked by BD in the 1999 worldcup.
Whoever is the current captain of Pak should rehearse that line...
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brother Some1,
Don't worry, the pak captain might one day extend such brotherly relations to our indian brothers too. Once you start actually winning against us regularly enough.
Misbahul Haq, Hasan Reza, Saeed Bin Nasir, Yasir Hameed all middle order batsman, I don’t know if Saeed Bin Nasir has a chance, I think MIshbah & Hasan raza probably have a better choice.
I am just wondering who will open with Hafeez? Will it be Tufeeq Umer or Farhan Adil or someone else?
Diablo Kazama: 
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earthquake bhai jaan, I think you forgot to look at the Domestic Cricket stats of the middle-order batsmen(Saeed, Reza, Misbah and Hameed), in which Saeed Bin Nasir dominates by miles and is more solid batsman than others, though, it really depends how Saeed Bin Nasir turns out to be in the training camp. If Saeed Bin Nasir does perform great and got ignored by the selectors, then it’ll be tragic, sad and SUCKS! This is the first time Saeed Bin Nasir got the call from PCB. I really hope he makes his debut in the Pakistan Cricket 'cause we need solid players in the middle-order spot.
The training camp will be held from August 13th-17th; and possibly on the 17th, Pakistan’s squad for 1st Test Match against Bangladesh will be announced.
Taufeeq Umer will team up with Muhammad Hafeez. He’s much better in Test Cricket than ODI. I don’t see much chances of Farhan Adil though. If not Taufeeq, then it will be Farhan Adil as an opener with Hafeez.
I haven’t seen Farhan Adil play but I have heard that he has played in English county cricket and he is pretty decent all-rounder.
If PCB decided not to give Farhan Adil a chance then I hope Taufeeq Umer corrected all the technical flaws in his cricket and hope he uses this opportunity to convince PCB that he deserver a spot in the team by make a decent score against Bangladesh.
To be honest with you I don’t think Hafeez or Tufeeq Umer both are ODI material they both play too slow for ODI; Pakistan really need a solid/stylish opener like sachin tendulkar, Saeed Anwar.
I was wondering if anyone knows whether there will be TV coverage for this series in North America. I personally doubt it, but it would be interesting to see how the new talent performs.
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To be honest with you I don't think Hafeez or Tufeeq Umer both are ODI material they both play too slow for ODI; Pakistan really need a solid/stylish opener like sachin tendulkar, Saeed Anwar.
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I agree, especially with Taufeeq Umar. He can be a great test player, but ODI's are not his thing and never will be. He is too slow to be an ODI opener. I don't know about Hafeez, he is slow but I think if he tries, he can play faster.
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I was wondering if anyone knows whether there will be TV coverage for this series in North America. I personally doubt it, but it would be interesting to see how the new talent performs.
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Dishnetwork do have the rights to telecast Pak/India matches being palyed in PAK/India, but there is no word from Dishnetwork as of yet. I hope they telecast.
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I haven't seen Farhan Adil play but I have heard that he has played in **English county cricket* and he is pretty decent all-rounder.
If PCB decided not to give Farhan Adil a chance then I hope Taufeeq Umer corrected all the technical flaws in his cricket and hope he uses this opportunity to convince PCB that he deserver a spot in the team by make a decent score against Bangladesh.
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Farhan Adil played for English County? That's news to me.
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To be honest with you I don't think Hafeez or Tufeeq Umer both are ODI material they both play too slow for ODI; Pakistan really need a solid/stylish opener like sachin tendulkar, Saeed Anwar.
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Bhaijaan I disagree.
I do believe Hafeez is an ODI material. When Sachin and Saeed made their debut, they did struggle in the beginning of their career. Now, look at them. Their record speaks for it self. Hafeez has played 10+ ODIs and seems to be a promising opener in the coming years. You can't expect a youngster to do wonders from the start, can you? He's slow but doesn't play foolish strokes. It takes time to settle for any youngster. Let him play, let him learn from his mistakes; I'm sure he's gonna be much better player(as a Batsman, Bowler and Fielder) for Pakistan in the upcoming tournaments. :)
I'm with you on Taufeeq Umer. He hasn't recovered from his technical flaws; and does makes the same mistakes over and over again. I don't see him as an ODI player either. IMO, he finds it hard to cover his off-stump. Look at recent Sharjah Tournament, his off-stumps were cleaned up twice(or maybe thrice)
Taufeeq Umer is much better in the Test Cricket.
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I haven't seen Farhan Adil play but I have heard that he has played in English county cricket and he is pretty decent all-rounder.
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There might be seme other Farhan Adil out there in county cricket but the one selected for the team has never played county cricket. He plays for KCA and Habib Bank. Plus you cant really call him an all rounder. In the 72 first class matches he has played he bowled 31 overs without ever taking a wicket.
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I think you forgot to look at the Domestic Cricket stats of the middle-order batsmen(Saeed, Reza, Misbah and Hameed), in which Saeed Bin Nasir dominates by miles and is more solid batsman than others.
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PT I guess you forgot to take a look at the domestic averages. Misbah's average in first class cricket in 60 matches is 51.59. compared to Saeeb Bin Nasir's average of 45.34 in 35 matches. Saeed Bin Nasir's average in Limited A Over's is 54.95 better than Misbah's 44.36. But looking at that you cant say Saeed Bin Nasir dominates by miles or that he is a more solid batman compared to others. Not to mention Misbah also have an average of 42.83 in ODI's.
Havent posted in ths thread since a while. But reading all this hoo-haa abuot middle order batsmen puzzles me. I mean we have Inzimam back, in all probability he will score insha’allah and Youhana, Younis and Inzi will form a solid middle order (Not like the one they did in the WC 
) But still at 4, 5, 6 they are our sure bet. The biggest worry is the second opener slot plus one-down. These are our biggest worries. I originally disliked the idea of Shoaib Malik opening but now i have changed my mind, i think he shuold open so that he can vacate a spot in the middle order for inzi and Shoaib has definitely got a permenent place in pakistan squad so he doesnt have to worry about that issue and can play freely, i believe he got the temprament and technique to play at openers position. Lets see how they perform, first agaisnt minnow then the rejuvenated South Africans.
First of all Younis will not be playing for the first two tests of the series. Secondly I dont think Shoaib should be tried in the opening or one down slot. He is playing fine in the lower middle order and should not be moved. Its like saying if Ponting or Hayden keep failing lets bring Bevan up the order. Bevan is probably one of the best ODI player but he is good at this own batting position. Same should be the case with Shoaib. I think either YoYo or Inzi should take the one down position.
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Farhan Adil played for English County? That's news to me.
Bhaijaan I disagree.
I do believe Hafeez is an ODI material. When Sachin and Saeed made their debut, they did struggle in the beginning of their career. Now, look at them. Their record speaks for it self. Hafeez has played 10+ ODIs and seems to be a promising opener in the coming years. You can't expect a youngster to do wonders from the start, can you? He's slow but doesn't play foolish strokes. It takes time to settle for any youngster. Let him play, let him learn from his mistakes; I'm sure he's gonna be much better player(as a Batsman, Bowler and Fielder) for Pakistan in the upcoming tournaments. :)
I'm with you on Taufeeq Umer. He hasn't recovered from his technical flaws; and does makes the same mistakes over and over again. I don't see him as an ODI player either. IMO, he finds it hard to cover his off-stump. Look at recent Sharjah Tournament, his off-stumps were cleaned up twice(or maybe thrice)
Taufeeq Umer is much better in the Test Cricket.
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I thought I read somewhere that Farhan Adil played for English County, but I may be wrong or I am thinking about someone else. Anyway, Farhan Adil played for Great Harwood Cricket Club in UK and Rashid Latif academy; I am sure if given a chance he will not disappoint Pakistani cricket fans.
I think I am little too harsh on Hafeez maybe because he played very slow or maybe because he is little inexperience. I really thought PCB will let Saeed Anwar play for one more year and teach youngsters how to play proper cricket on #1 & #2 position but PCB wants to do everything hard way.
I don't believe that Shoaib Malik should be tried as opener, I think he is pretty comfortable @ #5 or #6 and I like to keep it that way but I wouldn’t mind trying Yasir Hammed or Farhad Adil.
As far as middle order batsman, Inzi most likely will take #3 and #4 (misbah or Saeed Bin Nasir or Yasir Hameed), #5 Youhanna, #6 Shoaib Malik, #7 Abdul Razzaq, #8 Rashid Latif, #9 Shoaib Akhtar, # 10 Umer Gul/ Shabbir Ahmed, # 11 Danish Kaneria/Abdul Sattar/Muhammad Khalil.
*** Sami and Younis khan will be back for the 3rd test match.
Bangladesh's inability to play spin was very visible the way they survived agasint Lee and McGrath on a green top wicket but folded infront of Stuart McGill. Saqi should have played this series but in his absense I think Kaneria should be played in every match. I think he is a very effective spinner and could play a very vital role in the coming matches. Similarly I think Hafeez and Shoaib Malik will also be able to pick up some wickets if we make spinning tracks. Bangladesh batsmen seem to have done their work as far as playing fast bowling is concerned. They survived agaisnt Lee and McGrath on fast & bouncy Australian pitches so I think Shoaib should not try too hard to bowl fast just keep a good line and length.
First of all, Hafeez is no way a test material, I highly doubt that he will actually make the test squad, even if he does, he won't succeed.
Taufeeq Umar on the other hand is a natural born attacking test opener, seeing him play against Australia and South Africa in test series, he does like to go all out.
Shoaib Malik and Muhammad Hafeez should only stay in one dayers, they are mediocore spinners, you don't expect them to take wickets.
Imran Nazir will likely get the opening spot along with Taufeeq Umar.
I agree with LM, Inzi should come at #3 in test matches.
Mizbah should also be resevred for the one dayers as well. Saeed Bin Nasir and Hasan Raza deserve to be in 4 & 5 positions in test matches.
I haven't seen others, so making comments on them won't do any good, stats don't tell the whole picture.
And what about the bowling, Shoaib, Kaneria, Gul, Shabbir Ahmed.