Re: Pakistan to build the World’s tallest building in Karachi
^^ Exactly… ghettos should be demolished and replaced with residential highrises. Just imagine how much space would we conserve and how much will the people benefit from that. Now only if the Afghan refugees had the mind to… :halo:
Re: Pakistan to build the World's tallest building in Karachi
well they should be a basic 2 bedroom, 1 living room + dining room + tv room plus bathroom
it should provide people with the basic necessities
I dont recomment we build apartment buildings but we can get Dubai to build like 100,000 of these houses which can house like 5 people per house and so 500,000 people can be taken off the street
Those people who live there will work to maintain that housing.
Its a win-win situation.
Canadian public housing implements a similar situation and this has worked.
Re: Pakistan to build the World’s tallest building in Karachi
what makes you think a public housing high rise would not turn into a ghetto either? That is exactly what cabrini green was.
Re: Pakistan to build the World’s tallest building in Karachi
1- the small house approach will work better than a high rise in my view.
#2- the people who live there will work to maintain that housing.. hmmm… i doubt it. although it has ben done in orangi..
#3- getting dubai to build 100,000 houses, hmmm.. what would be dubai’s incentive to give that khairaat?
Re: Pakistan to build the World's tallest building in Karachi
oh sorry lol, i thought by the word "ghetto" you meant "kachi abadis," the ones with flimsy houses, no sanitation, no electricity etc.
Anyway I still think that highrises are a better way to go with in Pakistan since we have good arable land, and we should preserve it and try to organize as many people as we can into a relatively small land area; I think that most standard residential highrises with rooms like the ones mercenary2k mentioned will do comfortably and will be good too, especially considering Pakistan's area-to-population ratio.
And mercenary2k, shouldn't residential highrises fulfill your purposes of giving Pakistani cities a good skyline as well? Many residential highrises in Dubai (and especially in neighboring Sharjah) give it a good skyline.
Re: Pakistan to build the World’s tallest building in Karachi
kacchi abadis dont necessarily mean areas with no power no sanitation etc. they are kacchi, because err they are illegal really. some kacchi abadis have no sanitation or power but many do.
highrises have to be managed very very very carefully nothing more than four units per floor, open stairwells not enclosed ones .. otherwise you will see similar issue as you see in the high rises ghettos in US..cabrini green is one example, the ghettos in france are another.
good arabale land? not in all areas, surely not Karachi, or most of baluchistan and big chunk of NWFP and sind.
Re: Pakistan to build the World's tallest building in Karachi
^^ Good points, especially the third one. Yes Sind is quite much desert and Baluchistan is fairly mountainous but still the soil is quite fertile and works good for farming. Flora and fauna is also important, and Pakistan has a good deal of it.
Second point is pretty obvious. All kinds of living need to be managed carefully otherwise they will not function properly. Highrises might need a bit more of it than other kind of housing but our major issue at this point is space conservation.
I wasn't expecting many ghettos with infrastructure though.
Re: Pakistan to build the World's tallest building in Karachi
retro, you are talking about a world that exists only in imagination, no one wants to spend their money fixing others problems, money is tight as it is, and those who have it, they want to secure their futures, invest it into something else just talk to any businessman... there are two options, either these people invest their money into something in pakistan, or they dont, no third alternatives, and i'd go with option a, somethings better than nothing mate. If you and I believe in this imaginary world, we should abandon our wealth, leave it upto the poor to come pick up whatever we have, but both you and I know we wont do that.
Re: Pakistan to build the World's tallest building in Karachi
My main concern is the pollution in Pakistani cities.
Whenever I go to Pakistan, I almost choke to death from the pollution, traffic, noise, etc....
Pakistan can modernizie it self by building infrastructure which addresses these issues.
To me, pollution is the number 1 issue in Pakistan.
We need Mass Transit System. Karachi is a city of 15 million and roads are not enough to support that many people travelling.
By building Subways, we will cut down the traffic, and building freeways we will make it easier for people to travel to different ends of the cities in relative ease.
And we need to build Parks and plant Trees to keep the climate cool and give some breathing space in our cities.
These are areas where we need to invest heavily.
The Western World doesn't face these problems because their population is stagnant where ours is doubling every 20 years and so our cities will become death traps.
Our entire economy slows down because of this so this is a big big issue.
Re: Infrastructure/Skyscrapers of Pakistan
actually it’s all in black and white, your comparison of the urban development of a developed country like Canada to a 3rd world country like Pakistan…nice try!
but don’t worry, u get an ‘A’ for effort! 
Re: Pakistan to build the World’s tallest building in Karachi
Our leading capital cities already have beautiful structures which clearly mark them out.
Karachi has the Quaid’s Mazar.
**Lahore **has Badshahi Masjid and Minar-e-Pakistan
Islamabad has Shah Faisal Masjid.
So a high rise building like this proposed tower will only add to the already uniquely trademark buildings we already have. 
Re: Pakistan to build the World's tallest building in Karachi
^^ Yes, and I think they're the only landmarks we actually need. We should first and foremost address our major issues... which are topped by pollution, poverty, and overpopulation.
retro, you are talking about a world that exists only in imagination, no one wants to spend their money fixing others problems, money is tight as it is, and those who have it, they want to secure their futures, invest it into something else just talk to any businessman... there are two options, either these people invest their money into something in pakistan, or they dont, no third alternatives, and i'd go with option a, somethings better than nothing mate. If you and I believe in this imaginary world, we should abandon our wealth, leave it upto the poor to come pick up whatever we have, but both you and I know we wont do that.
Pessimist eh? Look at Hong Kong, Singapore, Switzerland, and so many others. Are they imaginary? Look at Edhi, Bill Gates, and a whole gamut of celebrities who spend for nonprofit organizations... are they imaginary? Of course not. They just have the heart and the mind to actually put their money to good use. We somehow need to convince our businessmen and politicians to spend, and our damn awam also need to pay taxes (I think we should after all trust the govt, that's the only way we'll progress). Above all we need nonprofit organizations that actually organize the money and are 100% legitimate (there is Edhi Foundation but we still need more).
Yes so the point is that convincing is needed. And talk for yourself when you say that none of us would leave our money upto the poor... cuz I would and I do and I know that you do too as long as you're Muslim... do you know anything called zakaat?
Whenever I go to Pakistan, I almost choke to death from the pollution, traffic, noise, etc....
Pakistan can modernizie it self by building infrastructure which addresses these issues.
To me, pollution is the number 1 issue in Pakistan.
We need Mass Transit System. Karachi is a city of 15 million and roads are not enough to support that many people travelling.
By building Subways, we will cut down the traffic, and building freeways we will make it easier for people to travel to different ends of the cities in relative ease.
And we need to build Parks and plant Trees to keep the climate cool and give some breathing space in our cities.
These are areas where we need to invest heavily.
The Western World doesn't face these problems because their population is stagnant where ours is doubling every 20 years and so our cities will become death traps.
Our entire economy slows down because of this so this is a big big issue.
Exactly. I think that pollution tops all of our issues. And everything you mentioned are very highly stressed--and I think for certain areas we also need pollution control technologies such as biolfilters, scrubbers and the like. We really need to control our traffic, population, and keeping the environment in top condition is a must. Poverty will also be easy to manage if everything is organized.
Re: Infrastructure/Skyscrapers of Pakistan
the obvious point that you missed was that you can not stop private development in all areas because you have to eradicate poverty in the country, you have to balance it all.
Otherwise right now with pakistan’s poverty levels we should not have really done anything you know. even Faisalo mosque should not have been built.
I had clearly stated that I was not comparing Pakistan to Canada. 
sorry you flunked basic comprehension better luck next tiime.
PS: discussion has kinda moved ahead, maybe you want to do that as well.
Re: Pakistan to build the World's tallest building in Karachi
retroguy so let me get it clear is pollution the top priority or poverty? and by your own viewpoint that things should not be built because we should have other priorities, would that mean that Faisal Mosque in Islamabad should not have ben built.
forget that...maybe islamabad should not have been built itself. I mean unless we did not have poverty back when it was built ;)
Re: Pakistan to build the World's tallest building in Karachi
Someone is comparing Edhi with Bill Gates?
Come on .... wake up ... one is social worker & dedicated his whole life for human life, helping people in Lebanon when rockets were flying over his head ... other is a top business man who is squeezing blood of humans & giving 1% of it to charities, how can u compare both?
Re: Pakistan to build the World's tallest building in Karachi
forget that...maybe islamabad should not have been built itself. I mean unless we did not have poverty back when it was built ;)
haha, man arguing with him is a lost cause, hes giving examples of singapore etc, where tonnes of similar projects have resulted in the remarkable economic boom those countries faced.
I say we build this building (i dont care if its the tallest or not), jo rota hai roney do...
And yeah retro, paying 2.5% zakaat or a small portion isnt related to distributing your wealth completely, which is what I said, you wont ever do, your argument has no basis, and the fact that you brought up Eidhi and Gates together, theres no point discussing this with you any further.
Re: Infrastructure/Skyscrapers of Pakistan
oh,i didn’t realise you were the god who decided what we could discuss or not…my bad! 
you only said you weren’t comparing Pak and Canada to cover up your mistake
And King Faisal mosque was funded by the Saudi’s, the name might have given that away!
Re: Pakistan to build the World's tallest building in Karachi
Unbelievable how thick some people are, that too despite people mentioning it before.
IT'S PRIVATE INVESTMENT. PAKIS HAVE NO SAY HOW TALL THE BUILDINGS SHOULD BE BUILT
IT'S PRIVATE INVESTMENT. PAKIS HAVE NO SAY HOW TALL THE BUILDINGS SHOULD BE BUILT
IT'S PRIVATE INVESTMENT. PAKIS HAVE NO SAY HOW TALL THE BUILDINGS SHOULD BE BUILT
IT'S PRIVATE INVESTMENT. PAKIS HAVE NO SAY HOW TALL THE BUILDINGS SHOULD BE BUILT
IT'S PRIVATE INVESTMENT. PAKIS HAVE NO SAY HOW TALL THE BUILDINGS SHOULD BE BUILT
IT'S PRIVATE INVESTMENT. PAKIS HAVE NO SAY HOW TALL THE BUILDINGS SHOULD BE BUILT
IT'S PRIVATE INVESTMENT. PAKIS HAVE NO SAY HOW TALL THE BUILDINGS SHOULD BE BUILT
IT'S PRIVATE INVESTMENT. PAKIS HAVE NO SAY HOW TALL THE BUILDINGS SHOULD BE BUILT
IT'S PRIVATE INVESTMENT. PAKIS HAVE NO SAY HOW TALL THE BUILDINGS SHOULD BE BUILT
IT'S PRIVATE INVESTMENT. PAKIS HAVE NO SAY HOW TALL THE BUILDINGS SHOULD BE BUILT
IT'S PRIVATE INVESTMENT. PAKIS HAVE NO SAY HOW TALL THE BUILDINGS SHOULD BE BUILT
IT'S PRIVATE INVESTMENT. PAKIS HAVE NO SAY HOW TALL THE BUILDINGS SHOULD BE BUILT
IT'S PRIVATE INVESTMENT. PAKIS HAVE NO SAY HOW TALL THE BUILDINGS SHOULD BE BUILT
IT'S PRIVATE INVESTMENT. PAKIS HAVE NO SAY HOW TALL THE BUILDINGS SHOULD BE BUILT
IT'S PRIVATE INVESTMENT. PAKIS HAVE NO SAY HOW TALL THE BUILDINGS SHOULD BE BUILT
Re: Pakistan to build the World's tallest building in Karachi
IT'S PRIVATE INVESTMENT. PAKIS HAVE NO SAY HOW TALL THE BUILDINGS SHOULD BE BUILT IT'S PRIVATE INVESTMENT. PAKIS HAVE NO SAY HOW TALL THE BUILDINGS SHOULD BE BUILT IT'S PRIVATE INVESTMENT. PAKIS HAVE NO SAY HOW TALL THE BUILDINGS SHOULD BE BUILT
roadrunner,
When ur uncle buys you a "pajama", u do tell him ur choice or size ? dont u? Or he just brings u a Pajama with waist size 54 inches ? & length size 100 inches ?
Re: Pakistan to build the World's tallest building in Karachi
forget that...maybe islamabad should not have been built itself. I mean unless we did not have poverty back when it was built ;)
I have been to some of the leading cities in the west - New York, Paris, and London as well others, on quite a few occassions. I have seen poverty, and in fact increasing pollution in these places, but I still see more and more tall buildings having been built every time I visit. I agree with you the pollution/poverty argument is a silly one, and some people just don't have anything good to say about progress in Pakistan because of their personal biases.