Re: Pakistan Princely Party (PPP) and how it continues to destroy democracy in Pak
Well next time get your FIGURES right then.
Yaar ... my figures were right, 100 percent :) ... First of all, in 1970 election (well, election was due in 1970 but happened in Jan 1971) ... only 300 NA seats were contested.
I just wrote that 'I am not sure that those women seats were taken or not' as joke. Actually, I am pretty sure that assemblies (NA as well as PA) were not called and thus no reserved women seat were taken. Hence in reality, Awami League got 160 out of 300 seats, not 167 out of 313 seats.
Only reason it is occasionally mentioned as 167 out of 313 seats because, since electorate were already elected and Awami League had absolute majority in East Pakistan provincial assembly, there was no chance that they could not have taken those 7 women reserved seats.
As for West Pakistan 6 women reserved seats, since assembly was not called and those seats were undecided, PPP or any western parties are not credited with any of those 6 seats as no party had absolute majority in West Pakistan Assembly, thus result is not certain (most likely PPP would have got 3 or 4 of those 6 reserved seats).
Re: Pakistan Princely Party (PPP) and how it continues to destroy democracy in Pak
Well said and gave logical explanation.
Shukriya Saleem Sahib.
Brother thanks, you are welcome. :)
I normally disagree with your analysis, but brother, ur above logic make lots of sense.
Thanks to agree :)
Still Saleem is right on spot, Bhutto how charismatic he was, but wasnt good for a complete Pakistan.
Thanks. You are right, Bhutto was charismatic, confident and cleaver. If he wanted to, he could have done a lot for the country. But he was selfish and arrogant too.
Re: Pakistan Princely Party (PPP) and how it continues to destroy democracy in Pak
Yaar ... my figures were right, 100 percent :) ... First of all, in 1970 election (well, election was due in 1970 but happened in Jan 1971) ... only 300 NA seats were contested.
I just wrote that 'I am not sure that those women seats were taken or not' as joke. Actually, I am pretty sure that assemblies (NA as well as PA) were not called and thus no reserved women seat were taken. Hence in reality, Awami League got 160 out of 300 seats, not 167 out of 313 seats.
Only reason it is occasionally mentioned as 167 out of 313 seats because, since electorate were already elected and Awami League had absolute majority in East Pakistan provincial assembly, there was no chance that they could not have taken those 7 women reserved seats.
As for West Pakistan 6 women reserved seats, since assembly was not called and those seats were undecided, PPP or any western parties are not credited with any of those 6 seats as no party had absolute majority in West Pakistan Assembly, thus result is not certain (most likely PPP would have got 3 or 4 of those 6 reserved seats).
Re: Pakistan Princely Party (PPP) and how it continues to destroy democracy in Pak
bilkul sahi kaha aap ne hazoor, ham “army” ka naam letay hayn to hum per “someone who would never understand” ka label laga diya jata hay, aap “parenthesis” laga ke wohi baat keh kar bhaag jatay hayn :k:
Re: Pakistan Princely Party (PPP) and how it continues to destroy democracy in Pak
Yaar ... my figures were right, 100 percent :) ... First of all, in 1970 election (well, election was due in 1970 but happened in Jan 1971) ... only 300 NA seats were contested.
I just wrote that 'I am not sure that those women seats were taken or not' as joke. Actually, I am pretty sure that assemblies (NA as well as PA) were not called and thus no reserved women seat were taken. Hence in reality, Awami League got 160 out of 300 seats, not 167 out of 313 seats.
Only reason it is occasionally mentioned as 167 out of 313 seats because, since electorate were already elected and Awami League had absolute majority in East Pakistan provincial assembly, there was no chance that they could not have taken those 7 women reserved seats.
As for West Pakistan 6 women reserved seats, since assembly was not called and those seats were undecided, PPP or any western parties are not credited with any of those 6 seats as no party had absolute majority in West Pakistan Assembly, thus result is not certain (most likely PPP would have got 3 or 4 of those 6 reserved seats).
Hahah, ok your figures been right. Now analyse my link and lets talk about what is true and what is propaganda...theek?!?
Re: Pakistan Princely Party (PPP) and how it continues to destroy democracy in Pak
It is true that PPP has mass support in Pakistan but I am sorry to say that most of these supporters are either ignorant, slaves or corrupts. There must be few exceptions but I am making this statement in general. How can any sensible (not ignorant), independent (not slave) or honest (not corrupt) person support a party that is nothing but dictatorship or monarchy? When a party is run by the same family for 40 years then this can never support democracy in the country. Bhuttos only want/wanted to run the country themselves. First example was when big Bhutto refused to accept the fairest democratic elections of 1971 era and let the East Pakistan go just to keep his power in the West Pakistan. This was the most selfish act by any politician in the history of Pakistan. Then the latest example was by BB to try to be PM for the third time that is against the constitution. And in order to do that, she bent, made deals, went against interests of common people and finally lost her life. So, to me, PPP is there to run by Bhuttos only for their own interest and not for the interest of the country.
One more thing I would like to add is that PPP has always granted favors to its jialas. That could be in form of non-qualified jobs, allotment of plots or tickets to run in elections. And for these favors you see a mass crowd of loatas or generally corrupt jialas around. I do have respect for some really qualified individuals still part of PPP, i.e., Aitzaz Ahsan. But if he doesn't leave PPP soon, I am afraid that he will be loosing his respect as good politician too. Besides, it's shame for such qualified individuals like Aitzaz Ahsan, Makhdoom Amim Fahim etc to serve PPP under the chairmanship of Zardari (universally known corrupt) or a teenager Blawal.
May God bless Pakistan and give some guidance to our selfish politicians, education to our ignorant and freedom to the slaves of our feudals.
May be people who still support PPP, probably deserve leaders like Zardari or Blawal. No sane person would like to accept Zardari as leader of a big political party of Pakistan. What is his qualification in politics or his achievements for the country? Does anybody know more than that he was Mr. 10% or probably Mr. 20% to be? What has happened to the intellectuals of Pakistan? Is Zardari a better politician than Aitzaz Ahsan or Makhdoom Amin Fahim? Where is democracy this party has been making false claims for?
It's so sad to read and hear about BB being a courageous leader... Where was her courage when she self exiled herself just to stay away from the corruption cases filed against her? Why could she not stay in Pakistan and simply face the trials? She only came back when she was assured by the West and Musharaf that all cases against her would be dropped and she would most likely be given a third term.
May God give us some guidance and give us courage to get rid of all corrupt leaders of our country. May Allah free Pakistan of feudalism and let us have a free and independent judiciary. We need rule of Law. We would like leaders who can work towards the progress of our country. We don't need leaders like BB who had spent $6,000,000 on Evian water from France during her first term in 1989. This bill was for her family only. She was taking showers with the Evian water while majority of the population of Pakistan didn’t even have access to clean drinking water. And her claims were that she wanted to serve "ghareeb awaam".
Re: Pakistan Princely Party (PPP) and how it continues to destroy democracy in Pak
You are trying to make someone understand who would never understand :)
Well, I consider 'Bhutto' the main person that caused Pakistan break up because of a reason that even though mentioned at places, very few even know that or talk about that. The reason is obvious and not only that, it shows that Bhutto was not only cause, he actually planned breakup of Pakistan, much before 1970 election.
Here is proof: The day Bhutto launched his party and started talking against his mentor whom he used to call daddy (as claimed by many in media), Bhutto started campaigning to become Prime Minister of Pakistan.
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^ twisting historical facts like the above are quite amazing..
U never mentioned Mujeebs; Famous 5 points on which he contested elections!!! after election there was no constitution in Pakistan on which Awami League could had formed the govt!! he wanted to implement 5 points as a basis of the new constitution that had resulted in the breaking of Pakistan..
Where was Bhutto when Pak army was raping killing the Bengalis.. who created hatred of Bengalis? what wa steh share of Bengalis in Pak army, bureacracy?
It was pak army and dictatorship that divided teh country..
Re: Pakistan Princely Party (PPP) and how it continues to destroy democracy in Pak
^ twisting historical facts like the above are quite amazing..
U never mentioned Mujeebs; Famous 5 points on which he contested elections!!! after election there was no constitution in Pakistan on which Awami League could had formed the govt!! he wanted to implement 5 points as a basis of the new constitution that had resulted in the breaking of Pakistan..
Where was Bhutto when Pak army was raping killing the Bengalis.. who created hatred of Bengalis? what wa steh share of Bengalis in Pak army, bureacracy?
It was pak army and dictatorship that divided teh country..
Would you kindly care to explain under what basis Bhutto wanted to form a Government in the country by winning only 81 seats in the parliament? What was his reasoning not to accept the majority winner Mujeeb with 167 seats?
What did this naara "udhar tum, idhar hum" mean? Look at the root cause of hatred among Bengalis. Army came in the picture much later when uprising were already on their way!
Re: Pakistan Princely Party (PPP) and how it continues to destroy democracy in Pak
Would you kindly care to explain under what basis Bhutto wanted to form a Government in the country by winning only 81 seats in the parliament? What was his reasoning not to accept the majority winner Mujeeb with 167 seats?
What did this naara "udhar tum, idhar hum" mean? Look at the root cause of hatred among Bengalis. Army came in the picture much later when uprising were already on their way!
Nice analysis. Jaadu saheb, have a look at the basics of these historical events then you will understand who failed in what. BUt some never accept reality.
Re: Pakistan Princely Party (PPP) and how it continues to destroy democracy in Pak
Nice analysis. Jaadu saheb, have a look at the basics of these historical events then you will understand who failed in what. BUt some never accept reality.
The reality is that East Pakistan is no more. Thanks to Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto and his 'udhar tum idhar hum' rhetoric, and his desire to be the Priminister of Pakistan when it should rightly have been Mujeeb Ur Rehman.
Re: Pakistan Princely Party (PPP) and how it continues to destroy democracy in Pak
Don’t forget to include other shareholders in the blame i.e. army, the same army which can kick out a civilian govt but when the civilian govt pushes country to brink of breaking up they go and oppress civilians to “bring order” in the place wah wah :k:
Re: Pakistan Princely Party (PPP) and how it continues to destroy democracy in Pak
Would you kindly care to explain under what basis Bhutto wanted to form a Government in the country by winning only 81 seats in the parliament? What was his reasoning not to accept the majority winner Mujeeb with 167 seats?
What did this naara "udhar tum, idhar hum" mean? Look at the root cause of hatred among Bengalis. Army came in the picture much later when uprising were already on their way!
Would you kindly explain when did Bhutto tried to form a Government as you say?
And please explain how could had anyone formed a Govt? as there was no constitution.. talks were to be held how to form a constitution for agovt to be formed but talks were stopped when Mujeeb was adamanent to add 5 points in the formation of the new constitution...
And I would also love to see where he said "udhar tum idhar hum" .. can u bring that speech.. actually he said ti UN that Begalis are dying there and we are dying here... but facts were tailored by asingle newspaper the next day and were at once denied by Bhutto as well as all teh newspapers present at the moment.. this mistake of a single paper was again taken by Zia years later when marsha-law was present to malign Bhutto..
