Re: Pakistan initiated ALL wars against India: Air Marshal (r) Asghar Khan
If you want us to consider them "not kashmiris" then explain why do they (in quite big numbers) prefer to be saperate and not with Pakistan then?
All those so called 'Kashmiris' in England are not really Kashmiri, these Mirpuris are actually Pahari/Potohari speakers; they like to claim to be 'Kashmiri' but they're not, they're related to Punjabis, in fact AJK has almost no ethnic Kashmiris apart from a few refugees, so they're opinion means little.
If you want to see really Kashmiris in Pakistan and hear their opinion, then visit Sialkot and the rest of North Punjab and almost all of them are with Pakistan.
Re: Pakistan initiated ALL wars against India: Air Marshal (r) Asghar Khan
If you want us to consider them "not kashmiris" then explain why do they (in quite big numbers) prefer to be saperate and not with Pakistan then?
Well they're certainly not Kashmiri, they're related to Punjabis, they speak Pahari/Potohari whereas kashmiris speak koshur(a dardic language) and historically Mirpur and present-day Azad Kashmir was part of Greater Punjab before Ranjit Singh gifted it to the Sikh ruler of J&K.
They just have an inferiority complex, claiming to be 'Kashmiri', they think they're too cool to be Pakistani because of Pakistan's present image in the world so they're really zealous about a separate 'country', but real Kashmiris and I mean people with kashmiri blood like my family aren't ashamed of Pakistan.
Most of these Mirpuris don't even have Kashmiri surnames like Mir,Butt,Dar,Lone,Khawaja,Wyne,Mantu etc
Re: Pakistan initiated ALL wars against India: Air Marshal (r) Asghar Khan
Well they're certainly not Kashmiri, they're related to Punjabis, they speak Pahari/Potohari whereas kashmiris speak koshur(a dardic language) and historically Mirpur and present-day Azad Kashmir was part of Greater Punjab before Ranjit Singh gifted it to the Sikh ruler of J&K.
They just have an inferiority complex, claiming to be 'Kashmiri', they think they're too cool to be Pakistani because of Pakistan's present image in the world so they're really zealous about a separate 'country', but real Kashmiris and I mean people with kashmiri blood like my family aren't ashamed of Pakistan.
Most of these Mirpuris don't even have Kashmiri surnames like Mir,Butt,Dar,Lone,Khawaja,Wyne,Mantu etc
Same is the case with Jammu where they speak Dogri which is again similar to Punjabi...
Re: Pakistan initiated ALL wars against India: Air Marshal (r) Asghar Khan
Same is the case with Jammu where they speak Dogri which is again similar to Punjabi...
Yes but i've never heard a Dogra refer to themselves as Kashmiri, they're proud people; so these Mirpuris/Paharis etc should stop claiming to be Kashmiri.
For me Nawaz Sharif and Hamid Mir are more Kashmiri than them.
Re: Pakistan initiated ALL wars against India: Air Marshal (r) Asghar Khan
Yes but i've never heard a Dogra refer to themselves as Kashmiri, they're proud people; so these Mirpuris/Paharis etc should stop claiming to be Kashmiri.
For me Nawaz Sharif and Hamid Mir are more Kashmiri than them.
yes, but the same goes for the Kashmiris living in Punjab...they consider themselves Punjabis...
Punjab and Kashmir have borders therefore its natural for people to move from one place to another, however we can still discuss about the people's attitude though.
Re: Pakistan initiated ALL wars against India: Air Marshal (r) Asghar Khan
yes, but the same goes for the Kashmiris living in Punjab...they consider themselves Punjabis...
Punjab and Kashmir has borders therefore its natural for people to move from one place to another, however we can still discuss about the people's attitude though.
Yes many Kashmiris in Punjab, consider themselves both Kashmiri and Punjabi, like my dad, but my mom does not and neither do my cousins; i wasn't born in Punjab, nor do i live there, and nor do i speak the language, and i don't even have a blood connection with Punjab.