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Anyways Ms Khar is saying that we can disregard the report, like that makes us any safer.
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I think importing gas from Iran is one of the blunder this and Mushy govt is hell bound to do just because it is popular sell... there is good reserves of Gas in Pakistan, Pakistan should invite investors and provide them with incentive, i am sure we will get gas and it will cost less to us..
The Iran Gas Pipeline project was good in its original standing, i.e. where the gas pipeline was going to India and the later was paying some amount near to USD 500 million per year for the same.. yes then it could have been better... but now, iranian gas is not cheaper... i can tell you it is 75%-100% more than what we are paying to our local explorers... and Iranian oil is not going to be cheaper either... compare to Saudi oil, Iranian oil is bit expensive..
Now coming down to Taliban, yes we donot need to fight them as well.. as a neighbor we have provided them all we could, he have given refuge to millions of Afghan at the time of distress... we can support them morally and politically in UNO but letting them use our land in launching attacks on international community and Pakistan, that is not acceptable by any mean...
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Did i say in any post that Taliban is doing good by killing our peoples and we should attack on USA ? 
I am just saying that USA is not our Master and they ll never allow us to be a progressive country. But I’m wounder that being a very Logical person you are not accepting this fact and continuously saying that we should dance on their finger tips.
In simple words, I"ll stick with my point of view and same with you so its useless to pull this discussion long. :cobra:
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ok tell me wt do u think about importing gas and oil from iran?
We should not import gas from Iran.. we have sufficient gas in our own country.
We just need to pay $4 per unit to our own exploration/extraction companies who will ensure sufficient gas for our need instead of paying $10/ per unit to Iran. They are not our friends.. and they are not giving us gas as a charity. They are in fact trying to exploit our situation by charging us a very heavy price for the proposed gas which previously they were ready to sell at $4 when we were not facing gas shortages.
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wt do u think about supporting jundullah in iran?
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We should not support any judullah or sanaullah in Iran or any other country. We should mind our own business..
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man taliban r not going to vanish in air either they will be trouble for us or pakistan?
they r only friend pakistan have in afghanistan.if u leave them....
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They are not our friends. They have destroyed our economy.. they have killed 35,000 innocent Pakistanis in bombings in past few years. We should immediately leave them alone. If they try to create trouble for us if they come in power someday in Afghanistan.. we should seriously consider sealing our border with them.. Pakistan has suffered a lot already because of Afghanistan.. it's high time to leave them alone to sort out their own problems.. instead of us interfering in Afghanistan..!!!
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Interesting some excerpts from the report…
In quotes: Excerpts from Nato report on Taliban
****A secret Nato report seen by the BBC suggests the Taliban in Afghanistan are being directly helped by the Pakistani security service (ISI).
**Here are excerpts from the report, based on interrogations of more than 4,000 captured Taliban, al-Qaeda, foreign fighters and civilians.
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**“Reflections from detainees indicate that Pakistan’s manipulation of Taliban senior leadership continues unabatedly.”
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**"In the last year there has been unprecedented interest, even from GIRoA [Government of the Islamic Republic of Afghanistan] members, in joining the the insurgent cause.
Afghan civilians frequently prefer Taliban governance over GIRoA, usually as a result of government corruption, ethnic bias and lack of connection with local religious and tribal leaders. The effectiveness of Taliban governance allows for increased recruitment rates which, subsequently, bolsters their ability to replace losses."
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**“ISI is thoroughly aware of Taliban activities and the whereabouts of all senior Taliban personnel. The Haqqani family, for example, resides immediately west of the ISI office at the airfield in Miram Shah, Pakistan.”
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“While they [the Taliban] are weary of war, they see little hope of negotiated peace. Despite numerous setbacks, surrender is far from their collective mindset. For the moment, they believe that continuing the fight and expanding Taliban governance are their only viable course of action.”
**‘More confident’
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“Through the use of neutral observers and judges who report only to higher-level commanders, the Taliban leadership quickly identifies issues and replaces leaders. In rare cases Taliban leaders have already gone as far as to expel or imprison their own members.”
“As opposed to years past, detainees have become more confident, not only in their potential to win, but the virtue of their cause.”
**“Detainees from throughout Afghanistan report that popular support for the insurgence in terms of recruitment and donations increased within the last year.”
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**"The Taliban leadership controls nearly all insurgent activity in Afghanistan. Outside groups such as al-Qaeda, the Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan and others must receive permission from Taliban leaders prior to conducting operations on Afghan territory. Despite public statements suggesting distance between the Taliban and international extremists, no formal split has yet occurred.
However many with the Taliban appear prepared to enforce a separation from these groups should they receive orders from the Taliban central shura in Quetta, Pakistan."
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“Because Sirajuddin [Haqqani] remains in hiding, his younger brother Badruddin co-ordinates all military operations for the Haqqani network. The group has become highly centralised around Badruddin and very little can occur with his knowledge or consent.”
**“Senior Taliban representatives, such as Nasiruddin Haqqani, maintain residences in the immediate vicinity of ISI headquarters in Islamabad, Pakistan.”
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**Pakistan ‘knows everything’
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“The Taliban leadership designated Kabul City a ‘free area’, in which any commander can conduct operations without prior co-ordination with local command.”
“A senior al-Qaeda commander in Kunar province said:** 'Pakistan knows everything. They control everything. I can’t [expletive] on a tree in Kunar [province] without them watching. The Taliban are not Islam. The Taliban are Islamabad.”
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**“The Taliban continue to openly raise the majority of their revenue through donations. Collectors travel door to door throughout Pakistan requesting donations, without disguising their Taliban affiliation.”
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**“Once Isaf [International Security Assistance Force] is no longer a factor, the Taliban consider victory inevitable.”
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“Almost without exception Taliban members do not receive salaries or other financial incentives for their work.”
“The effectiveness of Taliban governance allows for increased recruitment rates which, subsequently, bolsters their ability to replace losses.”
**Narcotics trade
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“Taliban leaders anticipate personnel losses. Commanders and fighters are easily replaced, at least initially, with minimal impact on operations. After eliminating a commander, Isaf will often switch focus to other areas and targeting lines. While this type of targeting may remove specific insurgents from the battlefield, it will typically have a negligible effect on insurgent operations overall.”
“The narcotics trade provides funds to Taliban operations, though the nature of this process is widely misunderstood. The Taliban does not officially encourage nor discourage narcotics production, and it does not play a direct role in the farming, smuggling, refining or distribution process. However the Taliban regularly collects a percentage of zakat [donation] from any individual involved in any stage of narcotics production. This zakat may be collected in Afghanis, Pakistani rupees or frequently, raw opium or hashish.”
“A detainee from Parwan province said: ‘This year, more funds were given to the Taliban to conduct operations than in any previous year.’”
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^is posting twice makes ur point any stronger?
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This report mentions that taleban go house to house to collect donations within Pakistan, I havent seen that in Lahore. In KP I am not sure, has anyone had any experience of this?
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No my brother you have taken me totally wrong here!!
I do not like US an inch, but at the same time, i would follow the Sunna of our Prophet (SAAW) that is, i would not give my enemy any reason to attack me!! on the same note, i want allow anyone to use my land to kill innocents, doesn’t matter if those innocents are from different religion… to me and as per Islam, innocents should not be killed even in the act of war…
And when it comes to knowledge and technology, i’ll again do what our Prophet (SAAW) has done and would follow His (sunnah) that is, i will gain whatever i can and whatever possible and then only call my self independent
And regarding going to war, Prophet (SAAW) faced 10 years of misery including 3 years of prisonery like situation but He (SAAW) never declared war on the infidels of Quresh as muslims then were weak as anything…
And as far US wanting something or not, never did US wanted us to become Nuclear Power and out of all odds and with all over lack of resources and corrupt military and political leadership we got this.. and same with J-17 thunder and many other things which i do not want to say out in open.. Pakistan is making progress and this progress can only substantiate if we can avoid any direct confrontation with any country for another 10-15 years at minimum…
A lesson from History!!
The enemy of Sultan Tipu always wanted him to be at war, as they knew if they gave this guy few years of peace and harmony, then Sultanate Mysore will become unbeatable… and they succeeded in it… they kept him busy in wars and eventually got him…
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This report mentions that taleban go house to house to collect donations within Pakistan, I havent seen that in Lahore. In KP I am not sure, has anyone had any experience of this?
I think they mean they kidnap people and then ask them to pay ransom for Allah
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are TTP which killed pakistani soldiers and afghan taliban r same?
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are TTP which killed pakistani soldiers and afghan taliban r same?
To us no, they are not same, to them, yes they are same!!!
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I think they mean they kidnap people and then ask them to pay ransom for Allah
You think it is a joke?
Seriously an industrialist kidnapped from vicinity of Lahore was constantly told by abductors who were Pushtuns of Afghan origin that he should voluntarily tell his family to pay higher ransom as the money will go in the cause of Allah. Nearly all the money collection in Kidnapping cases in Pakistan takes place in FATA areas.
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that is why they gave refuge to TTP fighters who have kidnaped 17 pakistani madarssa students
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the report is from nato so as a muslim i don't trust everything it has to say of course it has an agenda to blame someone for the humiliating loss so pakistan finger is pointed at you. However why is it surprise that the afghan people are helping the other afghan fighters to defeat US and NATO?
this is natural reaction of any occupied land the locals will help their people to get liberation from the occupied.
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that is why they gave refuge to TTP fighters who have kidnaped 17 pakistani madarssa students
Is it true.. I was not aware of this fact.
Now these Afghan Taliban give protection to the people who do crimes in Pakistan against Pakistanis..
All sort of religious militants are same from any where in the world. They are all well connected and have a good coordination between them. They operate under different names just to fool people.. it is just a strategy.. These religious militants consider all those people as their enemy who do not subscribe to their ideas..
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Is it true.. I was not aware of this fact. Now these Afghan Taliban give protection to the people who do crimes in Pakistan against Pakistanis..
All sort of religious militants are same from any where in the world. They are all well connected and have a good coordination between them. They operate under different names just to fool people.. it is just a strategy.. These religious militants consider all those people as their enemy who do not subscribe to their ideas..
sorry! i wanted to say why afghan intelligent agencies protecting TTP fighters...
TTP is asset of usa while afghan taliban r pakistani asset
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sorry! i wanted to say why afghan intelligent agencies protecting TTP fighters...
TTP is asset of usa while afghan taliban r pakistani asset
They are not our assets.. Our assets are the people of this country who can face dire consequences because of this liability in case a major terrorist attack happens somewhere in the world..
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u r right but pakistan must make sure that afghanistan is ruled by friendly government....
otherwise problem of pakistani people will continue......
regional peace is must for pakistani intrests.......
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u r right but pakistan must make sure that afghanistan is ruled by friendly government....
otherwise problem of pakistani people will continue......
regional peace is must for pakistani intrests.......
We are nobody to desire anything in Afghanistan. We must see what is in our interest.. the countries are never friends.. they just have common interests which they pursue together.
Our interest is that we don't give any safe haven to anyone who-so-ever for any sort of militant agenda in any country of the world for the safety of our own citizens..period.
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^ the thing is that ultimately we will lose that leverage, with taleban opening their office in Qatar, and we have sacrificed 35000 people for controlling a country (which I dont think we will ever be able to control)...no one has been able to do that throughout history...Afghanistan has survived 30 years of war but if Pakistan is attacked directly we will not survive, hell we cant even fight with India for more than two weeks, America is another thing