PAKISTAN: Golden Pipeline Dream

Wonderful article about the Gas Pipeline passing through the Pakistan’s Territory.

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An Asian Crossroads of Pipelines

ISLAMABAD - The year’s end will see movement toward reality of what once seemed a pipedream - the linking of energy-rich Central and West Asia to gas-deficient South Asia through the signing of the first of two long-delayed pipeline agreements.

During their leadership summit in Ashgabad on December 26-27, the leaders of Pakistan, Afghanistan and Turkmenistan say they will sign an agreement facilitating the laying of a US$2-3 billion gas pipeline from Turkmenistan’s gas fields to Pakistan through Afghanistan.

Iranian President Mohammad Khatami’s current visit to Pakistan also signals movement in a second ambitious project - an Iran-Pakistan-India pipeline project that Tehran calls a **“pipeline of peace”. **

The pipeline project to be signed this week would originate in Turkmenistan’s Dauletabad gas fields, which have proven gas reserves of 23 trillion cubic feet, pass through Afghanistan, then end at the Pakistani seaport of Gwadar. There, gas would then be converted into liquefied natural gas (LNG) for export to Japan and other Asian countries - and possibly even to India if New Delhi and Islamabad could somehow look beyond their political differences.

Turkmenistan’s deputy prime minister, Yolly Gurbanmuradov, says that construction work on the pipeline is planned to be completed in 2005. Parallel developments are occurring on the Iran-Indian pipeline traversing through Pakistan.

On December 15, Iranian Foreign Minister Dr Kamal Kharrazi told a group of Pakistani newspaper editors that the three countries are looking at the most economical route to transport gas from Iran to India through Pakistan. Feasibility studies, he said, would be completed in a few months.

“Although there are still some questions on the security of the pipeline and other matters, I think the construction of this pipeline is in the interest of all the countries of the region, that is why I call it the pipeline of peace”, Kharrazi explained. **“We are optimistic that better understanding would soon prevail between India and Pakistan and this project would materialize.” **

Pakistan and Iran’s active pursuit of the Iran-India pipeline has also become possible after the ouster of the Taliban - which Islamabad at one time backed and Iran opposed - from Afghanistan late last year. But this improvement in ties has been matched by a deterioration in Indo-Pakistan ties, so that it is now Iran that is giving guarantees of pipeline security to India. Pakistan gave the same guarantee in support of the project to Iran in 2000.

But the security concerns linked to the pipeline project do not only have to do with India-Pakistan hostility. Similar fears have been expressed about the fact that the writ of Afghan President Hamid Karzai does not yet extend to the entire country, which makes it difficult to ensure the security of the Afghan portion of the project.

Ahmed Rashid, a journalist specializing in the region, says the Turkmenistan-Pakistan pipeline is feasible with political will, but **“I can’t see it happening until central government in Afghanistan extends its writ”. **

Another hurdle - the conducting of a feasibility study of the Pakistan-Turkmenistan line - was removed in August, when the Asian Development Bank (ADB) agreed to give $1.5 million to fund the study to be completed next year.

The ADB’s strategy and program for Pakistan for 2002-06 says its priorities from the region include the development of transport networks, and oil and gas pipelines and power transmission, to link Afghanistan and Central Asia to Pakistan.

Under their discussions on the pipeline, the parties will ensure the protection of investments in the project.

**Pakistan shall provide the transit of gas to the Gwadar port, which is under construction in the south-west, and provide assistance for the development of a gas processing infrastructure as well as unobstructed export of processed gas products to markets abroad. **

The three countries have agreed not to levy any taxes, royalties, profits on the activities related to the implementation of the project and on the transportation and transit of gas. They can also use the pipeline to offload gas for their own consumption or inject their own gas under clear commercial terms. This will enable Pakistan, in case the pipeline ever reaches India, to offload or inject its gas according to its needs. According to officials, this clause was incorporated to benefit Pakistan and Afghanistan in the future. **Afghanistan’s gas reserves are yet to be explored, but gas in Pakistan is in surplus. **

However, it is estimated that in four years time, Pakistan’s gas production of 27 trillion cubic feet would not be enough to meet its growing energy needs. **More than 60 percent of its main gas source, the Sui field in western Balochistan province, has already been consumed. Today, the country imports oil at the cost $3 billion. Last year, the country consumed 45.4 million tonnes of oil equivalent (TOE) energy, comprising 40.6 percent oil, 43.6 percent gas, 10.1 percent hydroelectric, 4.6 percent coal and 1.1 percent nuclear. **

The proposed gas lines are routed to become a network. The one stemming from Iran would pass through Pakistan’s Balochistan and southern Sindh province to India, and the second coming from Afghanistan would go to central city of Multan then to Gwadar.

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How the hell agreement could be made when Iran, Pakistan and India haven't been on the table to discuss Pipeline?
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bPakistani Tiger Ji**

12-21-2002 05:21 PM

Nope, it doesn't at all.

Pipeline agreement was started before 9-11. Later it got abondoned because of War in Afghanistan.

People have changed, Govt. has changed but the agreement still exists.

12-23-2002 06:42 PM

How the hell agreement could be made when Iran, Pakistan and India haven't been on the table to discuss Pipeline?

We have your two posts.

I conveyed to you my disappointment at the present Pakistan’s Commerce Minister stating that no guarantees would be given to India. Your first post above states that the agreements still exist

On being queried in your second post you state How the hell agreements could be made…?

So please do make up your mind and let me know of your latest ‘’wisdom’’ in respect of guarantees to India.

Do enlighten us if Guarantees should be made to India and will they be made to India?

After all you cannot expect India to even think of such a pipe line if Pakistan does not give any Guarantees to India in respect of the planned Pipe Line’s Safety and Security.

It is a good sign that Pakistan is having so many options to build the Gas Pipe Lines but the ones which envisage continuing to India are indeed a ''PIPE DREAM'' if Pakistan fails to give Suitable Guarantess to India in respect of Safety and Security to asuage Indian concerns.

I look forward to a constructive answer.

Have a nice day

Uff!!!

Now, you are having a doubt on my wisdom. :hehe:

Look, Pakistan can’t guarantee on the basis of MFN status. Pakistan doesn’t want politics to be get involved, as it got in Samjotha Express and Flight service of Karachi-Mumbai.

As Iranians consider, Pipe of Peace, so does Pakistan.

World is not ready for TURKEY-IRAN-PAKISTAN alliance.

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World is not ready for TURKEY-IRAN-PAKISTAN alliance.
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Who gives a damn about World.

Alliance b/w Turkey, Iran and Pakistan is like Gold Old Time Friends.

Economic Corporation Organization (ECO) is our platform, which has been grown/spread to Afghanistan and Central Asia Nations.

Usman,

Atta-ur-Rahman has nothing to do with Gas Pipeline Project.

P.S, I know you are regular reader of Shebai SAT. Do you really believe Pakistan supplied Nukes/Missiles to Bosnia? That’s what written in his new hilarious article of the week, a good damn job, I must say! :hehe:

Finally, the wait is over.

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Turkmen President Saparmurat Niyazov (C) greets his Afghan counterpart Hamid Karzai and Pakistan’s Prime Minister Mir Zafarullah Khan Jamali here on Thursday in ASHKABAD

Jamali Signs Trilateral Gas Accord Today

ASHKABAD, Dec 26: Afghan interim President Hamid Karzai and Prime Minister Mir Zafarullah Jamali arrived in Turkmenistan on Thursday to sign a gas pipeline agreement which had been under negotiations for 20 years, embassies officials said.

The two leaders, joined by Turkmen President Saparmurat Niyazov, are expected to sign on Friday the agreement to build the 1,500km gas pipeline from Turkmenistan’s Dauletabad fields across Afghanistan to Pakistan.

The three leaders have already signed a memorandum of understanding on the $2 billion project, which, they hope, will bring prosperity to the region.

US energy company Unocal led efforts to build the line, but its plans were scuppered in 1998 when US cruise missiles struck Al Qaeda training camps in Afghanistan. However, since the fall of the Taliban last year, the project has been catapulted back onto the energy agenda by regional leaders.

Mr Niyazov is also due to hold separate bilateral talks with Mr Karzai and Mr Jamali to discuss regional and international issues, including the situation in Afghanistan and Pakistan-India relations.

Alhamdulliah, the agreement has been signed. Still, security of Afghanistan is a problem.

Central Asia Pipeline Deal Signed

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An agreement has been signed in the Turkmen capital, Ashgabat, paving the way for construction of a gas pipeline from the Central Asian republic through Afghanistan to Pakistan.

The building of the trans-Afghanistan pipeline has been under discussion for some years but plans have been held up by Afghanistan’s unstable political situation.

This follows a summit meeting bringing together the presidents of the three countries last May when the project received formal go-ahead.

**The pipeline would represent the first major foreign investment in Afghanistan in many years. **

  • **Alternate route **

With improved regional security after the fall of the Taleban about a year ago, Afghanistan, Turkmenistan and Pakistan have decided to push ahead with plans for the ambitious 1,500-kilometre-long gas pipeline.

The leaders of the three countries have now signed a framework agreement defining the legal aspects of setting up a consortium to build and operate the pipeline.

The trans-Afghanistan pipeline would export Turkmen gas via Afghanistan to Pakistani ports, from where it could reach world markets.

India is the largest potential buyer and the Afghan President, Hamid Karzai, said Delhi was welcome to join the project.

Turkmenistan has some of the world’s greatest reserves of natural gas, but still relies on tightly controlled Russian pipelines to export it.

Ashgabat has long been desperate to find an alternative export route.

  • **Wary Investors **

Afghanistan would profit by receiving millions of dollars in transit fees and construction of the pipeline would provide thousands of desperately needed jobs.

It is also hoped such a project would boost regional economic ties and pave the way for further foreign investment.

The chief difficulty will be actually finding the money to build the pipeline.

The Asian Development Bank is carrying out a study for the project.

But investors will be very cautious about putting serious money into Afghanistan when the central government in Kabul still has only limited influence in the regions the pipeline would cross.

Article about Qatar-Pakistan Gas Pipeline. Possiblity, it would get into Indian Territory, if they change their attitude.

P.S, Italian Firms proposal for Iran-Pakistan-India Gas Pipeline has been rejected.

Move to include Iran in Qatar Gas Project

ISLAMABAD, Dec 27: Pakistan has asked Iran to look into the possibility of joining the Qatari gas pipeline which will take the supply to Gwadar and onward to India, Dawn has learnt.

This was discussed during Iranian President Seyed Mohammad Khatami’s recent visit to Islamabad. The option to dovetail Iranian gas with the Qatari pipeline is expected to be discussed between the Pakistan officials and Qatar’s Foreign Minister Sheikh Hamad bin Jassim bin Jaber Al-Thani in Islamabad on Saturday, sources said.

The two sides would also discuss bilateral economic cooperation and political issues in view of Qatar’s important position vis-a-vis the presence of US forces there. A meeting of the oil ministries of Qatar and Pakistan, and Crescent Petroleum of Sharjah would be held in Doha on Jan 27 to discuss technical aspects of the proposal, said a government source.

**A delegation of the petroleum ministry comprising senior officials of the directorate-general of gas and Interstate Gas Company would visit Sharjah to hold separate discussions with the Crescent Petroleum, the sponsors of Qatar-Pakistan pipeline. **

The proposal had recently been presented by Qatar’s Energy Minister Abdullah bin Hamad Al Attiah to his Iranian counterpart Bijan Namdar Zanganeh and has since come under focus in the three countries.

Iran, sources said, was now more interested in the proposal after the failure of Italian firm Snamprogeti to complete the feasibility study for an Iran-India offshore pipeline.

Pakistan, sources said, was having second thoughts on its permission to Russian energy firm Gazprom to carry out the feasibility of the Iran-India overland gas pipeline following Russian president’s remarks against Pakistan’s nuclear programme

An editorial on the Gas Pipeline.

The Gas Pipeline

The signing of the 1,400 kilometre-long gas pipeline agreement by Afghanistan, Pakistan and Turkmenistan inevitably links them in an economic enterprise that would be expected to have a prolonged life. The pipeline, costing $2.5 billion and named TAP is projected to pipe 30 billion cubic meters of gas per year from Turkmenistan to Pakistan. When completed, it will constitute a major political and economic achievement for all the three states, as it involved years of arduous negotiations. Besides the events of history, the decades of instability in Afghanistan had contributed towards hindering forward mobility on the project.

TAP’s signing, therefore, is a singular success for the three states, but given the past legacy of conflict and chaos in Afghanistan, its future will depend on stability in the region and within the states. It is this aspect that needs most attention as the ongoing American-led war on terror provides no assurance that peace will return soon. It will be unfortunate if regional developments hamper progress once the finances have been raised and work started on laying the pipeline. This places a heavy burden on TAP states to prevent any threat to stability. But, it can also be hoped that once the project becomes a reality, its benefits will contribute towards creating economic stability.

The pipeline will provide Pakistan necessary expertise to undertake similar projects in the future should other fuel-producing states in the west desire to use it’s territory to pipe gas eastwards. Iran is interested in supplying gas to India via a pipeline through Pakistan, but Delhi’s unnecessary distrust of Islamabad is impeding the project. TAP might help in overcoming the reluctance. In any case, the scheme is of a pioneering nature as its success will initiate a new growth industry in opening avenues for the transit of goods from landlocked Central Asian states through South Asia.

Pakistani Tiger Ji

India Refuses Study With GazProm For Gas Pipeline Via Pak Waters

Anupama Airy

New Delhi, January 1: India has refused to participate with GazProm, the leading Russian oil and gas major, for undertaking a techno-economic feasibility study for constructing a shallow water gas pipeline from Iran to India via Pakistan. ¡°Any pipeline which involves construction through the territorial waters of Pakistan (12 nautical miles into the sea), restricts India¡¯s association with any such initiative. The same has been conveyed through a recent letter by the Gas Authority of India Limited (Gail) to chairman Gazprom, A B Miller, a senior petroleum ministry official told FE.

When contacted, CMD Gail Proshanto Banerjee said, ¡°The issue involves certain sensitivities and I would not like to say much on this except the fact that after the successful implementation of the Blue Stream deep-water gas pipeline project for transporting gas from Russia to Turkey, the techno-economic feasibility of constructing deepwater gas pipelines have been fully demonstrated. It is in this context that we are emphasising on a deep water pipeline from the Persian Gulf to the Indian Peninsula.¡±

A deep-water pipeline option would mean going beyond 220 nautical miles into the sea, which is even outside the exclusive economic zone (EEZ) that is up to 220 nautical miles.

Giving details, petroleum ministry officials said under a memorandum of understanding (MoU) signed between Gazprom and Gail in October 2000, the two had agreed to study the techno-economic feasibility of constructing a deep-water gas pipeline from the Persian Gulf to the Indian peninsula. However, officials said that while the MoU has recently been extended for another two years, till December 2004, Gazprom has proposed that the relevant clause of the MoU be now amended to include the techno-economic feasibility study of constructing a pipeline from Iran to India through the shallow waters. ¡°As this study involves construction of a pipeline through the territorial waters of Pakistan, it restricts Gail¡¯s participation in such a venture. It has however been proposed that Gail is ready to participate with Gazprom for working out an offshore pipeline option (which would mean going beyond 220 nautical miles),¡± a senior oil ministry official said.

Gail and Gazprom are already working together in the exploratory block 26 in the Bay of Bengal. The two companies are also in talks for starting exploratory drilling in this block, believed to have huge gas reserves. Any announcement of a commercial discovery from this block, sources said, could be the second largest gas discovery after the recent gas finds by Reliance in the Krishna-Godavari basin.

Explaining the Russian oil major¡¯s involvement in this project, officials said that Gazprom had initialled an MoU with the government of Pakistan in May 2002 wherein it had agreed for a shallow water gas pipeline. The Iranian oil minister visited Moscow on October 25, 2002, when it was agreed that a study would be carried out for a shallow water gas pipeline project by Gazprom besides the latter¡¯s greater participation in the prestigious South Pars gas field in Iran. An MoU was finally signed on November, 11, 2002, for ¡°the Iran-Pakistan-India gas pipeline project and co-operation in other areas of the oil and gas sector¡± between the secretary, petroleum, government of Pakistan and the board member of Gazprom. Gazprom intends to complete the study in six months.

Pakistani Tiger Ji : I suppose this will also cast a doubt on the other Pipe Lines from Qatar as well as from Turkmenistan via Pakistan.

I only hope that Pakistan can come up with sufficient Confidence Building Measures which will address the Indian Issues of the Pipe Line’s Safety and Securtiy. This will of course need Guarantees from Pakistan to India which upto the latest statement of the Honourable Commerce Minister of Pakistan, Pakistan refuses to give any Guarantees to India.

Have a Nice Day

Hold it, Surti.

President Khatami is going to be due in India on Republic Day. His main agenda will be discussing Pipe line, which is what he did in Pakistan. Agreement of Pipeline hasn’t been signed. India hasn’t been agree for Pipe line via Pakistan, which I’m sure Khatami gonna discuss because India is not willing to discuss any issue with Pakistan rightnow.

Pakistan refused to give any guarantees to India on the basis of MFN status. Politics shouldn’t be invovled in bilateral relationships.

Do I made myself clear?

Pakistani Tiger Ji

India has invited President Khatami of Iran for India’s Republic Day Celebrations and in return for this Honour President Khatami will twist India’s Arms and have India agree to the Pipe Line through Pakistan, without any guarantees from Pakistan to India about the safety and security of the Pipe Line, as Iran wants to see Pakistan have its Nails in India’s Jugular.

Get real Pakistani Tiger Ji.

You say ‘‘Politics shouldn’t be involved in bilateral relationships.’’

Bilateralism is nothing but POLITICS between Two Parties.

Wake up Pakistani Tiger Ji and smell the Coffee.

Meantime here is an interesting article from the Financial Express :

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**Nyet To Gaz

India exercises leverage on pipeline deals**

New Delhi has never made a secret of its reservations on any energy pipeline from west or central Asia to India which would necessitate transiting Pakistani territory, on the grounds that it could not allow itself to be placed in a situation whereby Islamabad could sabotage supplies and compromise this country’s energy security. Despite assurances from Teheran about guaranteed gas supplies, or pressure — domestic or foreign — to consider such a project from the perspective of the country’s foreign relations or energy security, the government has persistently expressed its wariness of entering into any trilateral deal which would necessitate involving Islamabad, and has made its preference to pursue the liquefied natural gas route fairly clear. However, given that India’s energy requirements continued to rise, it still needed to find secure import sources, which saw New Delhi negotiate with a reluctant Dhaka for gas supplies. Hence, Reliance Industries’ announcement of its gas bonanza in the Krishna-Godavari basin, followed soon after by announcements by the government of potential gas reserves in the Gujarat basin which could be even larger than Reliance’s, has provided New Delhi with the leverage it needed to unequivocally reject the option of participating in a techno-economic feasibility study with Gazprom for a shallow water natural gas pipeline from Iran to India via Pakistan. This throws the entire project, for which a memorandum of understanding was signed between Gazprom and the government of Pakistan as recently as last November, in jeopardy.

However, it has not ruled out the possibility of considering the deep water option from Iran’s South Pars gas field, which would go well beyond 200 nautical miles into the sea, thereby avoiding any Pakistani involvement. The successful operation of the Blue Stream project has smashed all reservations about the technical feasibility of constructing deep sea pipelines, though issues regarding the security of such a pipeline — be it from terrorists or natural calamities — continue and are bound to be brought up later. In fact, today, India appears to be in the happy position of being able to tell all its potential piped gas suppliers, including the erstwhile reluctant Bangladesh, that it can be selective about its gas import sources, and that any country that does not conform with its national security imperatives is welcome to look for alternative markets. That India is the only large enough market in South Asia to merit the construction of expensive pipelines is, of course, a point that will not have escaped any of the suppliers, and may well see the parties going back to the negotiating table.

I agree that the likes of you and I have no authority to make Policy, but, what is your opinion for Pakistan to give suitable Guarantees to assuage India’s Safety and Security concerns about this Pipe Line?

Have a Nice Day

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Bilateralism is nothing but POLITICS between Two Parties.

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You spot on the problem but when did Pakistan involve politics into Bilateral issues?

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I agree that the likes of you and I have no authority to make Policy, but, what is your opinion for Pakistan to give suitable Guarantees to assuage India’s Safety and Security concerns about this Pipe Line?
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From my point of view, yes, Pakistan will definitely provide security to Pipeline from Iran via Pakistan to India because Transit fee matters!

Ding Dong!

Surti Janab,

Pakistan agrees to include Indian in the project, the one Turkmenistan-Afghanistan-Pakistan Pipeline.

Chances for Iran-Pakistan-India are clear, then.

The ball is in India’s court. :wink:

Either agree or blow it.

Pak Agrees to Include India in Gas Pipeline Project

ISLAMABAD: Pakistan has agreed to include Indians in a feasibility survey for the Turkmenistan-Afghanistan-Pakistan gas pipeline, the second phase of which may extend to India, says a petroleum ministry official here.

“We have agreed to include Indians in the feasibility study but they will not be allowed to go to prohibited and sensitive areas,” the official said.

There is a proposal to extend the second phase of the pipeline to India. Experts feel India will benefit hugely from the project because Turkmenistan has large reserves of natural gas that can cater to the needs of the region for 100 years.

Leaders from Pakistan, Turkmenistan and Afghanistan last month signed an agreement for the construction of the pipeline that will run from the Daultana gas fields in Turkmenistan to Pakistan’s central city of Multan through Afghanistan.

According to the official, **if India joins the project and the pipeline is extended to Indian cities, Pakistan will get $500 million in royalty per year.

Moreover, Afghanistan is expected to earn $300 million per annum in the shape of a transit fee and see the generation of around 12,000 jobs, **said the official.

Under the terms of the framework agreement for the Trans-Afghanistan Pipeline Project, Pakistan can only levy tax on the gas used by consumers in the country.

The official said that during a meeting of officials of the Asian Development Bank (ADB), Pakistan and Turkmenistan in Islamabad last month, Pakistan had asked that it be allowed to levy tax on the gas carried through the pipeline.

On the insistence of Turkmen representatives, however, Pakistan agreed to levy tax only on the gas used by consumers in this country. The pipeline will have a carrying capacity of two billion cubic feet per year.

Similarly, it was agreed that none of the three stakeholders would impose taxes on the import of equipment and machinery to be used for the project, he said.

Regarding the tax levied on companies involved with the pipeline project, the three countries have agreed that they will impose taxes unilaterally.

Another source said Ukrainian companies Zangas and Netgas and Chinese firm China Petroleum and Development Corporation may join the race for entering the consortium after the finalisation of the feasibility study. The Caterpillar Company of US and Itoucho of Japan have shown interest in joining the project

Pakistani Tiger Ji Hazoor

India has struck Gas on the East and West Coasts of India. India also has a 30 per cent share in one of the Myanmar Off Shore Fields which having a Reserve of most likely around 13.4 to 47.3 tcf of Natural Gas.

In addition India has got share of gas in the South Pars field, Viet Nam and Russia.

Now India finds more gas off the Indian East Coast :

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/cms.dll/html/comp/articleshow?artid=33605366

Bigger gas finds lie on east coast
SANJAY DUTTA

TIMES NEWS NETWORK TUESDAY, JANUARY 07, 2003 01:09:15 AM ]

NEW DELHI: The east coast will be the country’s future oil and gas bowl, with a potential of supplying up to seven billion tonnes of oil and oil equivalent gas, the country’s caretaker of hydrocarbons assets has said.

“The big gas finds reported by Reliance and Cairn off the Andhra coast have already borne this out. This is just the beginning,” director-general of hydrocarbons Avinash Chandra told TNN.

The two gas finds make up about half a billion tonnes of oil equivalent gas and at a pessimistic estimate, 6.5 billion tonnes more is waiting to be tapped, Chandra said. Reliance and Cairn have reported seven tcf (trillion cubic feet) and one tcf gas finds, respectively, from two blocks in the Krishna-Godavari basin, which were auctioned in 1999 by the government as part of a policy to bring private investment in exploration.

The Oil and Natural Gas Corporation (ONGC) too is working in an adjacent block and has said it is near striking gas. Besides the Andhra coast, areas south of Rameswaram and southwest of Thiruvananthapuram have been identified as having huge potential. The Orissa coast too has thrown up a big potential. The cost of identifying the blocks? Roughly Rs 18 crore.

“Starting in 1995,we enlisted the services of European and US satellites that passed over the areas 20 times a year to identify the potential blocks deep under the seabed,” Chandra said. Chandra said the existing geographical and seismic data collected over the years by ONGC and Oil India Ltd showed that the seabed in the east was similar to the oil and gas producing areas off the coast of Brazil.“We needed a new approach and to go deep under the sea,” he said. The satellite mapping was followed with a two-dimensional seismic survey done from specialised ships.

Chandra said the east coast potential will allow India to strike harder bargains while importing gas and oil as it will narrow the gap between supply and demand for fuels. India imports 70 per cent of its requirement of 105 million tonnes of crude oil and has 65 mmcmd (million cubic metres per day) of gas against a demand of 150 mmcmd. The government offered 100 blocks identified by the DGH in three rounds of auctioning since 1999. At least 68 of these were awarded after bids were received for 73 blocks, Chandra said. Against this, 72 blocks were offered before the auctioning, bids were received for 13 blocks and only five were awarded. So far, 280 oil and gas fields of various sizes have been found.

ONGC had discovered four major basins — Cambay in Gujarat, Assam, Tripura and Andhra onshore — before the DGH was set up.

Comment: Energy superpower in the making or just gas? Seriously, this has stupendous implications for the country, from national security to the import bill to retail prices. Hopefully, this will be the spark that lights India’s future.

Pakistani Tiger Ji : I hope you will also appreciate that there is a glut of Natural Gas World Wide. Here is the link :

Here is the link to the Myanmar Off Shore Gas Field where Indian companies have a 30 per cent share :

http://www.gasandoil.com/goc/discover/dix24030.htm

Thus your statement : ‘’ Pakistan agrees to include Indian in the project, the one Turkmenistan-Afghanistan-Pakistan Pipeline’’ is laughable to say the least. Pakistan DOES NOT need India to accept Natural Gas from Turkmenistan as, after Pakistan draws its requirements, the remaining Natural Gas can be exported in the form of LNG from Gwadar. As such PAKISTAN WILL EARN ITS FULL TRANSIT FEES and really does not need to incude India in the Project. If for some reason it is necessary to find an outlet for this Natural Gas in India THEN IT IS FOR INDIA TO AGREE to accept this concept. The statement should be ‘’Pakistan requests India to agree to join this project’’. As I have said before the excess gas can be exported from Gwadar. Therefore I cannot understand why the Pakistani Leaders are jumping up and down asking India to accept the Turkmenistani Gas. NO NEED. Export the excess Gas as LNG from Gwadar.

I can understand Pakistan’s wish and desire to get the Iranian Natural Gas to India be transported by a Pipe Line via Pakistan. Here Pakistan should provide India with Confidence Building Measures to ensure India’s concern in respect of Safety and Security of the Pipe Line. What can President Khatami do if Pakistan refuses to give specific guarantees as required by India?

So Pakistani Tiger Ji, if Pakistan wants to ‘’entice’’ India to have the Turkmenistan and/or the Iranian Pipe Lines pass through Pakistan then Pakistan will have to give direct and binding guarantees to India to the extent that these guarantees satisfy India’s Safety and Security Requirements. Pakistan needs the Pipe Lines to earn up to USD Two Billion a Year and as such has to make the right moves to make India comfortable. India does not need the Pipe Line Gas as it has other options.

**Please give this matter your suitable attention, before you reply, as both you and I would like to see Turkmenistan and Iranian Gas being transported to India by a Pipe line via Pakistan.

GO GET THEM TIGER**

Have a Nice Day

ONGC-Videsh had struck gas in Vietnam and has a major share in that.

Nope. Not laughable at all. Karzai welcomed India to join Turkeministan-Afghanistan-Pakistan Pipeline but India didn’t come. If more countries get involved in this project, more transit fee for Pakistan.

Surti, if India gets involve in the project, Pakistan will earn more tranist fee.

LOL. Why would Pakistan requests India to join the project?

Pakistani Leaders aren’t jumping up and down. Neither, asking India to join. All Pakistan has to do is get transit fee. Pipeline Gas is coming from Pakistan, admit, but it starts not from Pakistan but from Turkmenistan.

You are taking in the wrong way, Surti. It’s not Pakistan’s desire, but Iran. Iran has to sell Gas, to earn money, make herself a Nuclear Power. India is a big market, that’s why Iranians move towards India. Between, Iran and India, comes Pakistan; and Iranians are well aware of Pakistani Hospitality. Gas Project is just an example of how we are close friends/ally/neigbbors. To your statement, Pakistan wouldn’t provide guarantees, is certainly laughable. Pakistan will get $500 million dollar transit fee yearly from Iran-Pakistan-India Gas Pipeline; without India, $200 million, and you think Pakistan is going to blow that?

If you look at the link from my last post, from the your own media, TOI, it clearly says:

“(Pakistan)We have agreed to include Indians in the feasibility study but they will not be allowed to go to prohibited and sensitive areas.”

Gas Pipeline will come to India via Pakistani Territory but Indians aren’t allow to visit those areas in Pakistan. Simple is that.

Surti, again, you are mis-understanding. Pakistan is just a part of this Project. Project doesn’t change on the basis of whatever Pakistan says. You say, Pakistan will have to give direct and binding gurarantees to India? :hehe: What does ‘agree’ mean? Plus, it’s Indian side, who’s not willing to have word with Pakistan in any issues at all.

If India has got other options, God Bless You, then what are you waiting for? You should have move started looking towards Eastern border. :wink:

Sure, sure, Pakistan would love to do that. All India needs to do is to come and have a word with Pakistan. :slight_smile:

Pakistani tiger Ji

India has, up to this moment, categorically refused to receive Gas from Turkmenistan if it is transported by Pipe Line via Pakistan. India does not need to join in the construction of the Pipe Line. The Pipe Line will be constructed by the Turkmenistan, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Oil Majors, Banks, Trading Houses etc. etc. India only receives the gas and pays for it. Your reasoning for more transit fee for Pakistan does not hold good as the Pipe Line is to carry a certain amount of Gas. Whether that gas goes to India or is Exported from Gwadar as LNG does not make any difference to Pakistan in terms of Transit Fees. Pakistan is Guaranteed the Transit Fees if the Pipe Line Transports the given Quantity of Gas.

No. Pakistan will earn the full Transit Fee no matter whether the Gas goes to India or is exported as LNG from Gwadar.

If Pakistan wants India to take the gas from a Pipe Line going through Pakistan then Pakistan has to request India to accept such Gas.

The Turkmenistan Pipe Line can carry a certain amount of Gas. Part of it will be used by Pakistan. The balance can either go to India or to Gwadar to be exported as LNG. In either case Pakistan will earn transit fees. To say that Pakistan will only earn Transit fees if the Gas goes to India only and not if it goes to Gwadar is wrong. Pakistan will earn transit fees whether that certain amount of Gas goes to India or is Exported from Gwadar in the form of LNG.

I hope you understand and agree to this statement. Thus in respect of the Turkmenistani Gas PAKISTAN DOES NOT NEED INDIA.

You are confused stating ’’ Pakistan will get $500 million dollar transit fee yearly from Iran-Pakistan-India Gas Pipeline; without India, $200 million’’. The Iranian Gas is from one or two of the blocs in the South Pars Field where there are, I think, two Indian partners with the Iranians i.e. ONGC and Reliance. So this gas from Iran is meant for India only. Thus if India agrees to the Iran-India Pipe Line via Pakistan then Pakistan earns at least USD 500 Million. If India does not agree then no pipe line will be constructed and as such Pakistan will earn Nothing. So either Pakistan gives the guarantees to India in respect of India’s concerns regarding Safety and Security of the Pipe Line or PAKISTAN IS GOING TO BLOW THE WHOLE AMOUNT OF USD 500 MILLION which Pakistan would earn if India accepts the Iranian Gas via a Pipe Line through Pakistan.

Regarding Iran’s desire : Pakistani Tiger Ji, I have stated in my previous posts that the National Iranian Tanker Company is going to acquire 11 to 16 LNG Carriers of 135,000 MT LNG Capacity. Six of them will be dedicated to the Indian Trade. Each of these Ships cost about USD 160 to 170 Million. NITC. However, the following link states that NITC will buy 33 LNG Carriers at USD 170 to USD 180 Million each and has budgeted the sum of USD 6 to 7 Billion.

http://www.gasandoil.com/goc/company/cnm24262.htm

India prefers to receive the gas from Iran in the Form of LNG or by a Deep Sea Pipe Line. At the moment there will be Four LNG Terminals in the West Coast of India i.e. Dahej, Hazira, Dhabol and Kochi. In addition the Reliance Refinery near Jamnagar could also end up having an LNG Terminal. They already have an LPG Terminal.

When will you understand that India needs guarantees from Pakistan for the Safety and Security of the Pipe Line. You keep disregarding and skirting the issue.

You will realise that Bangladesh kept ‘’mucking about’’ thinking that they had India in a corner. Now that India has struck Gas off the East Coast of India and got news from the Myanmar Fields the Bangladeshis have suddenly decided to expedite the negotiations. This is due to the fact that if India does not take the Bangladeshi Gas then UNOCAL will have to invest another USD 2 Billion to construct a Liquefaction Plan, an LNG loading Terminal with an associated Berth and finally a deep Water Harbour to receive these BIG SHIPS.

You will appreciate that there were so many statements made about supply of Turkmenistani and Iranian Gas to India via Pakistan which did not evoke any response from the Indian Authorities. Now Prime Minister Vajpayee and the ONGC/GAIL Officials have categorically stated that India will not agree to receiving gas via a pipe line going through Pakistan.

Pakistan wants to earn Transit Fees. Pakistan will have to make the effort to convince India and Pakistan will have to go to India if they want India to receive the Turkmenistan or Iranian Gas via a Pipe Line through Pakistan.

Have a Nice Day.

The last piece of BDSurti's post is the bottom line of all future deals :
Pakistan wants to earn Transit Fees. Pakistan will have to make the effort to convince India and Pakistan will have to go to India if they want India to receive the Turkmenistan or Iranian Gas via a Pipe Line through Pakistan

India will get its gas if not from here then from there or from somewhere, it is Pak that needs the transit fee.