PAKISTAN: Golden Pipeline Dream

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I’d like to draw your attention about Gas Pipeline projects :slight_smile: According to my knowledge, there are going to be three Pipelines, which are going to pass by Pakistan’s Territory.

The ADB is currently working on the feasibility study of the 1,500-km pipeline from Turkmen gas field across Afghanistan to Gwadar and is assisting the three states to finalize the framework agreement and launch the project. The bank is financing the feasibility study and has promised along with the World Bank to be major financiers of the project as well.

  • Iran-Pakistan-India: According to the Tehran Times President Khatami is likely to visit Pakistan later this month[Dec.2002], and Gas Pipeline will be on his agenda.

The laying of the pipeline in Pakistan’s territory will fetch $600 to 700 million a year as transit fee. It will help give substantial impetus to the economic activities in Pakistan. However, India had asked Iran to conduct the study on deep-sea route for laying the gas pipeline as a second option, which is why the two Italian firms were hired in this regard. Good news is both ways works in favor of Pakistan. :slight_smile:

Reference# 1, Reference # 2

  • Qatar-Pakistan: “Gas Sales and Purchase Agreement” b/w the two countries is in the final stages.

Link To Article

With all theses projects, Pakistan can attracts nearly $ 1 bn of foreign investment in the oil and gas sector, which it did last year; and is wooing more multinational companies to explore its huge untapped resources. Located at the cross roads of Central Asia. :k:

I’ll be updating news about Pipelines later :slight_smile:

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India the same india that wishes to crush pakistan and causes genocide in kashmir not to mention is active on afghan border with northern alliance

oH great news supply your arch enemy with energy supplies what a manouver from busharraff :smack:

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Actually, it should be “Vajpayee :smack:” for trusting Pakistan for this oil pipeline. :~)

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what if some one sabatage the gas pipe line so it is not a good idea to
epend too much on pipe line from pakistan.

Gas pipeline sabotaged in Jacobabad

http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=story_11-12-2002_pg1_8

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It was done by Bugti tribes as the article says .

Rvikz, you wish!

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what happened to the Reliance gas find in India? I remember reading recently that this was such a substantial find that it could make the international pipeline(s) unnecessary.

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U r right, India anyway was not very keen for a pipeline running through Pak, and after this latest find, it is not going to be there in the recent future at least. Only thing is the find is on the eastern side of India and the north-western side upto Maharashtra is at present energy-starved (so to say). In any case pipeline through Pak is almost out now.

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Reliance to pump gas from new field in 2004

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hmm…You gotta have to wait till middle of 2004.

India anyway was not very keen for a pipeline running through Pak

Has India ever been?

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*Originally posted by Pakistani Tiger: *

hmm...You gotta have to wait till middle of 2004.

India anyway was not very keen for a pipeline running through Pak

Has India ever been?
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there is unnecessary mutual suspicion. there is nothing wrong
in mutual dependance.

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*Originally posted by Pakistani Tiger: *

However, India had asked Iran to conduct the study on deep-sea route for laying the gas pipeline as a second option, which is why the two Italian firms were hired in this regard. Good news is both ways works in favor of Pakistan. :)

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It is not so both ways. the deep sea pipeline was expected to circumvent the Paki territorial waters.

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It is not so both ways. the deep sea pipeline was expected to circumvent the Paki territorial waters.
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How Dhir? Pakistan has 200 miles Arabian Territory. Therefore, you need us there. :)

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*Originally posted by rvikz: *

there is unnecessary mutual suspicion. there is nothing wrong
in mutual dependance.
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Okay.

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according to khabarnama, 1 trillion cubic feet gas has been discovered in the tribal areas at karak...

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I did'nt do the math or real analysis but can any region sitting over 1 Trillion cubic feet of gas survive as a land mass? or were you joking?

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Following article is about draft framework agreement of Gas Pipline from Turkmenistan to Afghanistan-Pakistan :slight_smile:

Trans-Afghanistan Gas Pipeline Runs into Snag

ISLAMABAD: The signing on the draft framework agreement of the proposed $3.2 billion trans-Afghanistan gas pipeline, from Turkmenistan to Pakistan, ran into a snag as Turkmenistan and the Asian Development Bank (ADB) objected to modifications made by Pakistan in the draft, an official source told Daily Times.

However, Prime Minister Mir Zafarullah Jamali is all set to leave in the third week of December for Turkmenistan to sign a bilateral agreement. The Turkmenistan-Pakistan pipeline will transport 1.5 to 2 BCFD gas from Daulatabad gas fields to Gwadar via Afghanistan. The Asian Development Bank will provide a grant of $ 1.5 million for the feasibility and pre feasibility study of the pipeline.

The source said that the steering committee of Pakistan, Turkmenistan and Afghanistan failed to develop consensus in firming up a Unified Fiscal and Regulatory Regime (UFRR), which is a part of the framework agreement of the proposed gas pipeline.

“Pakistan after consulting the Ministry of Defence introduced modifications in the UFRR, but the Bank and Turkmenistan objected to them. “This was the reason for postponing the steering committee meeting, which was to be held in Pakistan on December 16-17. The source claimed that ADB and Turkmenistan after objecting to the modification by GoP were still considering the changes.

The source said that the government had invited the ADB to negotiate the modification on December 16-17 in the Ministry of Petroleum and Natural resources. To a question the source said that the steering committee meeting would now meet some time in February 2003.

He said that in the Ashkabad meeting, the steering committee reviewed the ‘overall framework of agreement’ presented to the ADB based on gas pipeline frame work agreement (FOA), in order to approve it for further work on the project. Under the UFRR there will be a unified fiscal system in the three countries regarding the pipeline and partner countries may give concessions in duties for importing material and machinery to the company or consortium involved in the project.

The first trilateral Summit was held at Islamabad in May this year where the three countries agreed to operate through a joint steering committees. $ 3.2 billion trans-Afghanistan gas pipeline protocol, from Turkmenistan to Pakistan, had been signed in Ashkabad.

It was part of an agreement that was inked here by President General Pervez Musharraf, Turkmenistan President Saparmurat Niyazov and Afghanistan Interim Administration Chairman Hamid Karzai on May 30, following a trilateral summit of the three leaders.

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Gas projects involve huge kickbacks. No wonder Pakistan is so eager for anything to fructify. Be it fruitful or not. For a glimpse of some of the kickbacks read this
http://www.brecorder.com/story.php?css=brecord.css&story=0000680613&m=0&s=0

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How Dhir? Pakistan has 200 miles Arabian Territory. Therefore, you need us there. :)
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Pakistani Tiger Ji

It is very true that Pakistan's Economic Zone extends up to 200 Nautical Miles.

This means that all resources within the EEZ are for Pakistan's Benefits and if others want to exploit them then the same is dependant on the ''Financial'' Arrangement with Pakistan.

However Pipe Lines are like Ships. No Nation can deny Ships and Pipe Lines the Right of Innocent Passage i.e. if they are not interrupting any Pakistani Activity then there is no problem and that Pakistan will not have to be paid for such INNOCENT PASSAGE.

In any case these pipe line ''surveys'' are a bit of a joke.

The Iranians are buying possibly 16 LNG Carriers and up to a half of them will used to carry Natural Gas in the form of LNG from Iran to India as the Iranians have found out that it is cheaper to Transport Gas in the form of LNG on LNG Carriers to India than by a pipe line via Pakistan.

This article was in a Shipping Weekly and if I locate it I will post it here.

Have a nice day.

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pakistan's need for water can supplied by pipeline from worlds highest
rain fall area that cherapunji .

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Sorry to burst your bubble, bdsurti, even if the pipelines pass through Pakistani waters, Pakistan will get the royalty for that... :)

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Pakistani Tiger Ji

It is very true that Pakistan's Economic Zone extends up to 200 Nautical Miles.

This means that all resources within the EEZ are for Pakistan's Benefits and if others want to exploit them then the same is dependant on the ''Financial'' Arrangement with Pakistan.

However Pipe Lines are like Ships. No Nation can deny Ships and Pipe Lines the Right of Innocent Passage i.e. if they are not interrupting any Pakistani Activity then there is no problem and that Pakistan will not have to be paid for such INNOCENT PASSAGE.

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