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What does he have to do with the PAF? And his beard is not a religious beard. Stop clutching at straws.
What is happening is wrong, just admit it and move on.
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The Sindh CM is a very religious man, and a leading proponent of the Tablighi Jamaat, a well known fact in the province.
General Zia-ul-haq was an extremely religious man, but he never had a beard.
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Fundamentalism does not only depend on beards. what about aslam beg, hamid gul, etc.? the pilots who strucked it into wtc were all clean-shaven.
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Agreed! Dino you have a point baby. FYI This thread wasn't started as a pro-beard one. It is rather a "bash-Pakistan-in-the-knees-till-it-hurts-real-bad" thread.
PAF like any similar organization in the world has every right to enforce a uniform policy. The cap, the shirt, the tie, the pants, the shoes, and the belt everything has to be "just right". Still they are entitled to change their policy anytime. Facial-hair is not a big deal when you look at all the rest of "rules and regulations" governing the attire and the looks of an officer or a jawan.
However for Pakistan-bashers hate and not logic is the rule of the day. I am sure this thread will go on until mods put a big lock on it and throw away the keys.
So carry on you Pakistan-bashers. Hopefully this will channel your negative energy and relieve you of the ever present "intellectual-constipation" in your commie-cobweb infested mental chambers.
Damn these Pakistan bashers.
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PAF like any similar organization in the world has every right to enforce a uniform policy. The cap, the shirt, the tie, the pants, the shoes, and the belt everything has to be "just right". Still they are entitled to change their policy anytime. Facial-hair is not a big deal when you look at all the rest of "rules and regulations" governing the attire and the looks of an officer or a jawan.
However for Pakistan-bashers hate and not logic is the rule of the day. I am sure this thread will go on until mods put a big lock on it and throw away the keys.
So carry on you Pakistan-bashers. Hopefully this will channel your negative energy and relieve you of the ever present "intellectual-constipation" in your commie-cobweb infested mental chambers.
Damn these Pakistan bashers.
So you are not sensible afterall...!
Why can't Mush lovers understand a simple point. This country Pakistan,( in which you don't even live), was created so that Muslims could live freely according to their religious values. Mush is not letting us Pakistanis in Pakistan live a life in accordance with our religion. He is IMPOSING his version of BEHAYAII through media, but he will never succeed. I firmly believ now that America brought him for a purposer and that is to finish Pakistan. The only good institution we had was the Armed forces. So ofcourse weaken our forces, by making the ordinary people stand up against it. Beard is not even an issue, but why can't you see that it is being done to give the armed forces a negative image. Be it FATA or Baluchistan , all this IS having a bad impact on the armed forces. Ofcourse it has been going on since MUSH came. Ask a common man In the streets of PAKISTAN and he will tell you what is going on. You on the other hand sit away from reality.
People like you on this discussion forum, have become so intolerant of everything that has to do with Islam. Keeping a beard for many Muslims is a sunnah that they love to follow. So where does this general who licks American boots and also self imposed come in and teach us what "enlightenment" is. He must go and people in Pakistan are sick and tired of him.
Little does he realize ( like Zia-ul -Haq) and other boot lickers of the West that they have to go one day and history has shown that they end up leaving in coffins! Through such acts which you are calling made up stories, such generals only dig their own graves. Pakistan was, is and will always be an idealogical state whose purpose of creation will only be fulfilled when an Islamic system of justice is established. It was not supposed to be an ordinary stinky secular state like you dream.
Damn these Islam bashers.
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Why can't Mush lovers understand a simple point. This country Pakistan,( in which you don't even live), was created so that Muslims could live freely according to their religious values. .....
Freedom to practice Islam is not the same as freedom to mess-up a uniform policy of the armed forces.
Freedom to practice Islam is not the same as freedom to kill Pakistani-Shias, Pakistani-Ahmadis, and Pakistani-Christians.
Freedom to practice Islam is not the same as training bombers in the Mad-house-Russahs (mudrassahs) so they go and kill the "infidels".
Oh Allah, give these Mullahs a sense as to what is freedom of practice your directions based on truthfulness, trustworthiness, and tolerance.
Oh Allah, give these Mullahs a sense that freedom to practice Islam doesn't mean violating the policies of your employer.
Oh Allah, give these Mullahs a sense that freedom to practice Islam is not the same as freedom to inflict terror and tribalism.
Amin Summa Amin!
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Uniform Policy ...hunhhhhh!!! BS!
Why did that uniform policy change overnight???? Why has keeping beards become so abnormal???
WHY???
Even sikhs in the Indian army have a right to keep their turbans! and this is PAKISTAN, a separate country made for the MUSLIMS!
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Freedom to practice Islam is not the same as freedom to kill Pakistani-Shias, Pakistani-Ahmadis, and Pakistani-Christians.
Freedom to practice Islam is not the same as training bombers in the Mad-house-Russahs (mudrassahs) so they go and kill the "infidels".
Oh Allah, give these Mullahs a sense as to what is freedom of practice your directions based on truthfulness, trustworthiness, and tolerance.
Oh Allah, give these Mullahs a sense that freedom to practice Islam doesn't mean violating the policies of your employer.
Oh Allah, give these Mullahs a sense that freedom to practice Islam is not the same as freedom to inflict terror and tribalism.
Amin Summa Amin!
and whats up with these mullah style duas.. Seems like you just graduated from a madrassah! Closed minded people.
Do something practical instead of these dua. You really want to make a difference in Pakistan, go there and do something. The way you write will never help your cause, and will never convince anyone. Such MUSH acts that you are defending are only taking Pakistan towards extremism. Its a time bomb ticking . I can assure you majority of Pakistanis do not think the way seculars like you think. Our leaders live in a fools paradise. Wake up before its too late!
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Laeeq,
Who is this guy whose emails you've posted, is he in direct touch with you, it seems he was an ex PAF officer and is now asst to a district Nazim, how did he end up as an asst to a district nazim direct from a PAF installation?
What proof do we have that he and any of his fellow officers who were grounded or warned or released were dealt that way for the sole reason of having a beard...? it's easy to fire allegations and smudge an image, harder to provide supporting proofs etc. The article in Herald isnt a holy verse, it's a report only about what has happened and what version some people are spreading. It will only be fitting if some writer can come up with a detailed report on what the exact cases on these officers look like. Was it just the beard that drowned them or was it something behind the beard. And besides frankly speaking, i dont think Pakistan, its president, and the armed forces are that desperate to prove anything this way. It's illogical to think they would.
Plus, in an airforce that employs thousands of men, only a handful had beards or if one will have it this way, objectionable beards...? or was it that only these 5-6 men were true muslims and all others with beards werent as strong muslims and shaved their foot longs the moment instructions arrived...?
Plus, I can atleast say this much, had somthng like this really happened againt beards only, there would have been much greater hue and cry everywhere. as it is, it seems this thread and herald are the only places talking about it.
If afterall it is proven that the PAF indeed has started a movement against beards, I will be among those opposing the PAF. But now, I ask this much, how sure are we that these few bearded men were sidelined just for the beard and not involvement in terrosrist activities, connection with public/religous/political/terrosrist organizations, connection with the Gen Mush murder plots, any other moral shortcoming, or any offense violating the oath, the military law, the PPC and so on. Was their having a beard just a coincidence and tough luck for the PAF...?
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I don't know whether this has been answered or not :)
The 4 officers retired disobeyed orders of thier oifficers to bomb in waziristan.
IMO airforce is more religious then any other force in pakistan
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ha! Rubri Devi's baby machine is turning out falsehood on an ever larger scale.
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The 4 officers retired disobeyed orders of thier oifficers to bomb in waziristan.
IMO airforce is more religious then any other force in pakistan
Exactly which madrassah or which mau-lanna told you that?
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Have PAF fighter planes taken any significant part in Waziristan? I think the aeral support is by the Army Cobras...
but bao's point nonetheless being that the 'beard' was not 'the reason' ...
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I know one of these officers :)
They are all good religious officers and went to Ashraf ul madaris karachi for Fatwa.
One of them then blatantly refused to attack, other fell sick, 3rd one did went to waziristan but did not obeyed the bombing order and fourth one said that his guns jammed. :)
Antiobl-
Correct word is Rabri devi-- kuch tau sahi kerlo babu
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yeah right, and your opinion is based on one officer, dude, they are fighter pilots, they have style, and they arent ur typical mau-lannaz like you are portraying them to be. I mean idiots like you would go on portray Jinnah as the most pious and religious person too.
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bao, which one do you know? is it the same guy whose emails laeeq posted here? any more deatils as to when, why exctly & how the mess was created...?
Meanwhile, if bao's version is accurate the point here seems proven that these men are being courtmartialled because they refused to attack an enemy of the state. Now who is or isnt an enemy of the state is determined by the govt and not a fatwa granting madarsah in Karachi. Nor is it determined individually by soldiers. I'm afraid these men broke their oath, defied the soldiers' code of conduct and refused to perform a duty which the govt trained them for, paid them for and spent millions on training them for.
Their *beards *had little relevance.
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I know one of these four officers as my young brother is posted in same air base as these four were.
He mashallah himself is a fighter pilot :)
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Meanwhile, if bao's version is accurate the point here seems proven that these men are being courtmartialled because they refused to attack an enemy of the state. Now who is or isnt an enemy of the state is determined by the govt and not a fatwa granting madarsah in Karachi. Nor is it determined individually by soldiers. I'm afraid these men broke their oath, defied the soldiers' code of conduct and refused to perform a duty which the govt trained them for, paid them for and spent millions on training them for.
Their *beards *had little relevance.
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I agree that beared was irrelevent in this case atleast. :)
about your other points on Fatwa/Madressa/Breaking oath etc i disagree with you.however i will not discuss it for now as that is not the main issue of the thread.
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Good to know your brother’s an Air Warrior of Pakistan :k:
which rank is he in and which sqn is he serving?
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Meanwhile, if bao's version is accurate the point here seems proven that these men are being courtmartialled because they refused to attack an enemy of the state. Now who is or isnt an enemy of the state is determined by the govt and not a fatwa granting madarsah in Karachi. Nor is it determined individually by soldiers. I'm afraid these men broke their oath, defied the soldiers' code of conduct and refused to perform a duty which the govt trained them for, paid them for and spent millions on training them for. Their *beards *had little relevance.
if so, i would agree, but i would give more benefit of the doubt to a respectable journal like Herald, that at least fact checks its stories, than an anonymous poster on the net
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Yes alhumdolilah
He is flying officer.
Very sensible reply-