Re: Pakistan After Talibanization.
Pakistan has become a country where people are taught to DIE and they crave to DIE rather than to LIVE life.
People who celebrate & value death more than life have no future.
Unless Pakistan does not get rid of paradise seekers in the form of LET, Jaish etc there will be no peace in South Asia.
Re: Pakistan After Talibanization.
امريکہ منشیات کو پھيلا رہا ہے ايسا لگتا ہے کہ کچھ لوگ امريکہ کے خلاف منشیات کی فروغ کے حوالے سے جھوٹے الزامات لگا رہے ہیں ۔
اس ميں کوئ شک نہيں کہ ان الزامات کا مقصد اقوام متحدہ کی اس رپورٹ کو جھٹلانا ہے جس کے مطابق دہشت گرد منشیات کے کاروبار کے ذريعے پيسے اکھٹا کرتے ہیں۔
اس الزام کے پيچھے بھی کوئ منطق اور قابل فہم بات نہيں ہے ۔ يہ کيسے ممکن ہے کہ ايک طرف امريکی حکومت افغانستان اور بين لاقوامی برادری کے ساتھ مل کر اس علاقے ميں منشیات کو ختم کرنے کی کوشش کر رہی ہے اور دوسری طرف ڈرگ مافيا کی حمايت کر رہي ہے؟ آگر ان بنیاد افواہیں کو"امريکہ ڈرگ مافيا کی مدد کر رہا ہے" سچ تسلیم کر ليا جاۓ تو پھر يہ بتائيں کہ ہم افغانستان کی سيکورٹی فورسز کو اس لعنت سے قابو پانے کے لیے ٹريننگ اور ديگر فوجی سامان کيوں فراہم کر رہے ہيں؟
ہم سمجھتے ہیں کہ افغانستان میں ملیشیا کمانڈروں, مجرمانہ تنظیموں اور کرپٹ افسروں نے منشیات کو ایک معتبر آمدنی اور دست گیری کا ذرائع بنا رکھا ہے ان گروپوں کی وجہ سے ملک کے داخلی سلامتی اور جمہوری حکومت کو خطرہ ہے ۔
سالوں سے امریکی حکام نے نشان دہی کی ہے کہ دیہی سیکورٹی اور مضبوط قومی حکومتی قانون انسداد منشیات کے ليے ضروری ہیں اور اس بات پر بھی زور ديا کہ منشیات ملکی سلامتی اور استحکام کے لیے بنيادی خطرہ ہے۔
پوليس کی ٹريننگ اور منشیات کو ختم کرنے کیے ليے2007 سے 2009 تک امريکہ نے افغانستان سے 1.8 بيلين ڈالر فراہم کيے۔ اس کے علاوہ افغان حکومت کے ساتھ مل کر منشیات کے خاتمے کيليے ہم افغانستان کو فصلوں اور زرعی ترقی کے لئے فنڈنگ میں اضافہ کر رہے ہيں۔
اس طرح کی کہانيوں اور ان کے پيچھے موجود سوچ نا قابل فہم ہے کيونکہ ان ميں کوئ قابل تحقيق مواد نہيں ہوتا اور يہ کہانياں ايک دوسرے کی براہ راست نفی بھی کر رہی ہوتی ہيں
ذوالفقار- ڈيجيٹل آؤٹ ريچ ٹيم – يو ايس اسٹيٹ ڈيپارٹمينٹ
Re: Pakistan After Talibanization.
Pakistan has become a country where people are taught to DIE and they crave to DIE rather than to LIVE life.
People who celebrate & value death more than life have no future.
Unless Pakistan does not get rid of paradise seekers in the form of LET, Jaish etc there will be no peace in South Asia.
When you learn to differentiate "people" from "militants" then you can come back and post here until then you need to go back to kindergarden, graduate to learn some basics, we are not interested in your hateful messages.
Re: Pakistan After Talibanization.
When you learn to differentiate "people" from "militants" then you can come back and post here until then you need to go back to kindergarden, graduate to learn some basics, we are not interested in your hateful messages.
so militants are not people? Are they camels? Where they born in a different way?
Pakistan is a country that provides an environment to change a normal man to an militant/extremist. People from all over to world get attracted to your country for training so that they can go to paradise.
Even when Salman Taseer got murdered, educated lawyers in Pakistan was showering flowers on a paradise seeker (mumtaz qadri).
Educated Lawyers who swore to protect the law were supporting the guy (mumtaz Qadri) who broke the law? This is what happens to people living in a twisted religious /idelology environment.
And I think you are one of them. I'm not against people, but I'm against the twisted mindset/ideology that is originating and spreading from Pakistan like a nasoor among the muslims all over the world.
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And I think you are one of them. I'm not against people, but I'm against the twisted mindset/ideology that is originating and spreading from Pakistan like a nasoor among the muslims all over the world.
Fair enough...
I think were jumping the gun here though just a bit... were talking about Pakistan not Somalia. If any country can turn things round it's Pakistan.
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so militants are not people? Are they camels? Where they born in a different way?
Yes they were born in a different way, you should know better, shouldn't you? Dude, your statement simply meant that overall nation of Pakistanis are taught to die and crave to die. This is one sick statement, only terrorists preach that mentality to their fellows.
Pakistan is a country that provides an environment to change a normal man to an militant/extremist. People from all over to world get attracted to your country for training so that they can go to paradise.
Pakistan provides all kinds of environment, you can even find gay and lesbian parties too if you are interested. People from all over the world get attracted because US has created a practice field in Afghanistan for people to get training and then practice, do you understand that?
Even when Salman Taseer got murdered, educated lawyers in Pakistan was showering flowers on a paradise seeker (mumtaz qadri). Educated Lawyers who swore to protect the law were supporting the guy (mumtaz Qadri) who broke the law? This is what happens to people living in a twisted religious /idelology environment.
And I think you are one of them. I'm not against people, but I'm against the twisted mindset/ideology that is originating and spreading from Pakistan like a nasoor among the muslims all over the world.
Thank you for your judgment and now get the F out of here.
Re: Pakistan After Talibanization.
Since 2001, 425 Suicide attacks by Taliban in Pakistani Territory 10,464 **Civilians including children & women **3638 Security officers (Police,Army,Navy & Air force) 15000 More than killed in drone attacks 43 mosques destroyed in suicide attacks
Total more than 29102 people are killed in Pakistan after talibanization.
(These stats are taken from a valid source)
What kind of Islam they are spreading,When Mosques and innocent citizens are not safe and drugs business is improving in all over the country, and specially in those areas where Taliban have huge presence like KPK.
Talibanization was their long before 9/11, we never take it seriously. Now they are destroying very fabric of the society. It's more like "controlled chaos" by internal/external factors.
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**1.**When i said that Taliban are not supporting drugs infact i have 2 or three posts in this thread, in which i clearly wrote that TTP (Tehrik Taliban Pakistan) is supporting drugs business.My post which you quoted if you read the last part i hve clearly wrote. I m quoting the last part here-----
“Rahee baat drugs ke to Mullah umer k dor main Afghanistan ko UN nay drugs free country declare kia tha.(i m not Mullah Umer fan). **Lekin TTP jo k CIA or RAW ki 1 najaiz Aulad hai drugs ko complete support krti hai.”
2. I do not remember the exact year but from 1995-97 United nation reported that Afghanistan is poppy free country.
**3.I felt that you just copied and pasted text from some where, without realizing the real agenda of this thread.
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May be not the whole nation, but what was wrong with the society of Pakistan after Salman Taseer was killed? Not a single mullah came forward to funeral prayers, Educated as well as non educated people supported the killer. Just becoz these poeple dont carry a gun does not mean they are not of twisted mentality. People who were against the killer were so scared, that they didnt even speak.. Why did Javed Ghamidi flee Pakistan??
Even Pakistan armed forces are influenced by this “jihadist” mentality. Read the following article in friday times.
http://www.thefridaytimes.com/27052011/page3.shtml
We all know US created these practce fields, but it was Pakistan that provided, supported and encouraged these practice fields. It was Pakistan that kept this alive. Pakistan can and could have easily keep a check on the Madrasas. Pakistan could have easily got rid of their proxy armies like LET etc. Now these armies have become powerful that they even have political support.
Re: Pakistan After Talibanization.
محترم،
يہ ايک روايت بن چکی ہے کہ جب بھی کہيں کچھ غلط ہوتا ہے تو دوسرے ممالک کے لوگ بڑی آسانی کے ساتھ امريکہ کو موردالزام ٹھہرا ديتے ہيں حالانکہ امريکہ کا اس مسلۓ کے ساتھ کوئ تعلق ہی نہيں ہوتا۔
لگتا ہے کہ آپ سازشی تھيوريز پر کچھ زيادہ ہی يقین کرتے ہیں، آپ نے يہ کہانی رٹی ہوئ ہے کہ " تحريک طا لبان پاکستان " کو امریکہ کی حمايت ہے لیکن کبھی کو ئ ثبوت پيش نہیں کيا۔ کيوں کہ جھوٹ کا کوئ ثبوت نہیں ہوتا۔
حقیقت يہ ہے کہ امريکہ نے تحريک طا لبان پاکستان کو دہشت گرد تنظيم قرار دیا ہے۔ آپ اس لنک پر ديکھ سکتے ہیں
http://www.youtube.com/usdoturdu#p/a/f/1/L1XMdVkmdn8
يہ کيسے ممکن ہے کہ ايک طرف امريکی حکومت پاکستان کی حکومت کے ساتھ مل کر اس علاقے ميں دہشت گردی کو مٹانے کی کوشش کر رہی ہے اور دوسری طرف پاکستان ميں عدم استحکام لانے کے ليے طلبان کی خمايت کر رہي ہے؟
ان بے بنياد افواہیں کو مدنظر رکھتے ہوۓ کہ امريکہ پاکستان میں دہشت گردوں کی حمايت کر رہا ہے تو سوال يہ پيدا ہوتا ہے کہ ہم پاکستان کی دفاعی ضروریات کو پورا کرنے کے ليے ٹریننگ اور ديگر آلات کيوں فراہم کر رہے ہيں؟
ذوالفقار – ڈيجيٹل آؤٹ ريچ ٹيم – يو ايس اسٹيٹ ڈيپارٹمينٹ
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Re: Pakistan After Talibanization.
Just to add
Taliban vow more attacks against Pak govt, military facilities
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When you see a ‘high-profile’ target get killed for speaking out then an ordinary citizen who gets killed everyday during mobile mugging and does not get justice, how can they speak up against such idiots?
How many mullahs or even politicians you see speaking against Taliban? Not many, why? Because they are aware of lack of security in society. How many people do you see speaking against MQM atrocities? Not many, why? Because of lack of security.
When going over the history you can point to thousands and millions of flaws around the world. We Pakistanis can find thousands of faults in 60s, 70s, 80s, 90s, does that make any difference? We all know what went wrong. US also recognizes that they were wrong in 80s/90s when US left the war ravaged country without fixing things. Things go wrong around the world all the time. Things like this will take time to be repair.
BTW it wasn’t just Pakistan and US game in Afghanistan but lots of countries were involved like Saudi Arabia, Iran, Egypt.
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Mohtaram lgta hai ap nay American ki Marketing or Wakalat krnay k liye kuch ziada he barri Rakam pakri hui hai wo bhe Dollars ke currency main,
Ap nay arz kia k America nay TTP ko dehshat gard krar dia hai to ya koe naya kam nahee Ameica nay to Usama ko bhe deshat gard krar dia hai -G han usi Usama ko , jis usama ko 1979-1990 tak Hero krar daiti rahee.
Agr Amerirca k diye huay Dollars se fursat milay to Washington Post walon se zror pochiye ga k akhir unho na Osama ko Hero krar dayna ka Baira kyun utha rakha tha.
Mazeed ya k Americans na to Saddam ko bhe dost banaya or phir Nuclear weapons k bahanay saray Iraq main Adventuring kar dee lakhon bay gunah logon ko mara or bay ghar kr dia. Kahan hain wo Nuclear weapons jo Iraq se milay thay ap ko. Ap nay Aaqa America se zrur pochiye ga.
Mazeed Guzarish hai Ap k America ki cridibility zero ho chuki hai khud is k apnay allies ki nazar main, to kia haim aitmad kr saktay hain un par jo ham par drones phenk kr Aman ke baat krtay hain.
Hazoor kisi ki Gardaan par Talwaar rakh k Sulah ki baat nahee ki ja sakti. Jesay k ap drones phenk kr Aman ki baat kr rahain hain.Drones phenknay ki waja se Pakistani logon or Americans main Faslay mazeed barh rahay hain kam nahee ho rahay.
Agar America ko is region main Aman chahiye to Drones band karay or Pakistan ki sahee meanings main Madad karay, na k peeth pay var karay.
Americans Pakistan main Zia, Musharaf or Zardari jesay corrupt logon ko support kr k kahtay hain k , Americans Pakistan main Stability chahtay hain.
Isi liye Pakistani log khtay hain k “Agar kisi ka America jesa dost ho to kisi dushman ki kia zarurat”.
Akhir main Sirf itna Arz hai k
Zulm Rahay Aur Aman bhe ho
Kia mumkin hai tum he kaho
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Rahee baat ap k Defence instruemetns or training ki to janab dunya k boht saray mumalik ko ya dono chezain ap nahee day rahay kia wo khatam ho gye, g nahee wo ham se bhe ziada strong hain. Or jahan tak hamara Taluk hai to Hazoor ap inkar kr dijiye, mat dijiye hamain kuch bhee ham ap ko Qasam daytay hain k ap ki Minat nahe krain gay. Ap k pas sirf ap k dost yani hamaray corrupt siasat dan jatay hain, Pakistan k log nahee. Pakistan k log to America main Billions dollars invest kr chukay hain or apni mehnat se kama rahay hain.
Ap ki dosti or India ki dushmani lag bhag braber hain hamaray liye. Ap ki dosti se hamain kuch nahee mila sirf or sirf nuksan mila hai. Ap ki de hui Imdad hamary liye Taana ban chuki hai or Lanat bhe.
Akhir main, main sirf itni Arz karun ga k ap ham se dosti bhee khatam kr dijiye or back pa var krna bhee yani dushmani bhe khatm kr dijye, main ap ko yakeen dilata hun ham apni manzil khud talash kr k Taraki ki rahon par Gamzan ho jain gay.
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yamaha guy
what is solution to pakistan’s many problems do you want an islamic solution or a secular solution and what examples of solutions do you have in mind?
because the current model = total chaos.
Re: Pakistan After Talibanization.
yamaha guy
what is solution to pakistan's many problems do you want an islamic solution or a secular solution and what examples of solutions do you have in mind?
because the current model = total chaos.
honesty and humanity is foundation of progressive societies , hyppocracy ,bigotry is the biggest enemy of a country.
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pakistan is in mess but they still have a think tank which is quite liberal and practical- some of there journalist r good and they r the one which will get the change-its no use to pin point pakistan all the time we need to see the positive side of the country too
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Man this is a country and every country in the world have all kinds of people. Like in USA we have just observed that, Some people burnt Quran. Some Americans supported them and some condemned them.
Like 5 fingers of hand in one society their are different people in the society. They have their opinion and ideology we have to respect their ideology. Only the ideology with some extremism factor must be condemned, like we condemn the Mumtaz Qadri of his ruthless killing of a Governor. At the same time we also condemn the Governor, why he was interfering the court and religions affairs and given such a disputed statement.But his murder was not a solution.
Another example is France, They banned the Hijab in France, do you think its freedom their,no, not at all. They claim that France is a free country every body is allowed to practice his/her religion. But why they banned the Hijab, its a religious practice of Muslims.Same problem is with Indian country they killed thousands of muslims, Christians and Sikhs because of their “Hindutva” philosophy. Hindutva means only Hindus can live and practice their religion in India. This is problem with you guys and especially with Americans & Indians your words do not match with your actions.
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Brother purpose of this thread is very clear and visible. Pakistan and Pakistani must understand Taliban + Al-Qaida Ideolgy. And i m really glad to see that 99% Pakistani people who participated this thread and shared views, condemned the Al-Qaida and Taliban very clearly. Talibans are just few thouands left in Pakistan and their support is not anymore. In my view this is great success for our current govt that they restricted Taliban and their ideology.That people started hating Taliban. Taliban do not getting any support from inside Pakistan anymore. Since they attacked the civilian people, their is no soft corner left for Taliban in the hearts of people of Pakistan. I am Inshah Allah sure before the end of 2012, Taliban or Al-Qaida will be like an history . And Americans will review their policy about this region
Nirma!
Lols, what was the purpose of copying my post and pasting in to my own thread???? I wrote all these quoted lines in to my thread about 2 weeks ago.
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^ she probably trying to get to post so she can start 'messaging' people.