Yes I've heard that used plenty of times.
Really? Because the only ones that use it here in the U.S. are usually WW2 veterans, but that's a different story though.
No one uses it here because it is offensive and provocative. It was acceptable in the 40's but this aint the 40's anymore.
if it werent for those who were 'rude' and those who were 'bad' (and some genuinely good legislation from government) life in the uk would be very painful at the end of some white fist
ask any british born 40 year old, what the 80's were like
People were more xenophobic back then because they had never encountered anything foreign before and sudenly they had an influx of all these handsome brown men who kept stealing their women, it's human nature to hate in such a situation...
Wake up! Times have changed now hun, nobody hates anyone for the sake of skin color anymore, Black people were hated more than us back then, but they changed peoples opnions of themselves by bettering themselves and showing they are a credit to this nation, they are moving away from the ghettos and excelling in sports and entertaiment which in turn has improved their image.
Goray don't hate Indians or India, they think Indian films and music is silly but they don't hate Indians, so many Goras tell me they want to go to Goa on holiday but nobody says they want to go to Pakistan.
Nobody is standoffish with Indians because Indians have good people skills, they act all bubbly and friendly (regardless of what is truly in their hearts), they are a diplomatic people, whereas everyone is apprehensive about Pakis at first till you win their hearts over because the majority of Pakis act well hard, snob everyone and can barely link a 3 word sentence together. The fact that Indians are doctors/lawyers and we're all taxi drivers and factory workers also makes us look shtter (I'm going back to college) and does wonders for their image even though we have far prettier phenotypes.
I'm not saying all white people are angels, hell no but the ghetto Paki yobs don't do us any favours (be in no doubt about that), the Paki yobs make matters much worse for us, there will always be racist people but if it weren't for our ghetto Paki bros the BNP types would be a very small minority and most white people would stand shoulder to shoulder with us for our rights but thanks to these ghetto yobs the racist minority will turn into a majority unless we realise there is a problem with our community and we tackle it.
As a small, uneducated, unaffluent, uninfluential and weak minority we are in no position to show akarr-khaani or badmaashi, it will only make matters worse for us, we should be greatful that our ancestors were given citizenship in this country, I'm not being a chamcha but if Her Majesty didn't want to she didn't have to let our forefathers into this country, if the Goras really wanted they could crush us like that or throw us out of this country, then what would we do? Starve to death in Pakistan? What would our Pakistani cousins do who will marry a British dog just to get out of Pakistan and into this country.
Re: Paki Yobs in the UK
I'm not a coconut, I'm proud of my Pakistani roots, more so than these yobs on the streets but I'm worried about my community, seeing the sad state of affairs worries me...
I want Pakis everrywhere to be loved and respected, I want them to prosper and excel but unfortunately we're going in the wrong direction.
Unless we take an honest look at ourselves and realise there is a problem and take an active role in elminating the problem there is no hope for us.
Denial and brushing under the carpet will not help us, it will only help our enemies, being too stubborn to realise we are also messed up will not do us any favours it will only aid the BNP and their agenda.
If you want to get your own back on the BNP, don't fight them, don't be naive that wont do anything to harm them even though you might momentarily quench your anger, go to uni instead and get a degree, move up on the social ladder and let the BNP supporters rot at the bottom of it and burn in their own hatred..
I dunno about your street cred ‘blud’ but I don’t think anyone has used the term rude bwois or well hard since 1989. It was the last time the BNP/NF was heard of and taken seriously too.
The difference between your generation and the new one is that they won’t take any crap lying down. The statistics do not explain the historic reasons as to why Pakistani and Bangledeshi kids are at the bottom of the heap. But I don’t reckon they fare much worse than working class white boys. Indians and chinese immigrants have always been socially and financially middle-class people. Transplant their labour class across and they’d be pretty much in the same boat as Pakistanis.
But anyhoo, the most important point is Indians, Bengalis, any other darkie will forever remain a Paki. :jhanda:
Re: Paki Yobs in the UK
Good topic.
Having lived in the UK for a bit and knowing about the yob culture, I do want to mention a few things:
The yob culture is predominantly in the bleak industrial North and is heavily concentrated in the Mirpuri community. I am not blaming Bradford or Mirpur for situation but rather realistically pointing out the concentration of such elements. Pakistanis in London, while a lot less than other parts of England, meet or exceed the educational, social, and economic indicators even when comparing against the Indian community. Also, the London Pakistani community is a loot more diverse with Punjabis, Pakhtuns, Urdu Speakers and other well represented.
BNP is a racist party FULL stop. It has used the economic malaise of the old industrial cities where the White British are AS depraved, criminal and undereducated as their browner countrymen. The key difference is that the White British consider themselves 'rightful' heirs of Britain while still seeing the BRitish-Pakis as immigrants. A lot has been mentioned about 'no-go' areas for White Britishers but what about the same situation for minorities? Also, you have to keep in mind the 'directed' immigrant settlement patterns and the locations of council estates.
Many British women are definitely wilder than others in Europe/US. Note, that I said many which does not mean all. The amount of binge drinking, premartial sex and general lewd behavior would SHOCK most people here. I am not just talking about the lower classes, but rather include the 'proper' middle class girls. Why I am I mentioning this? Becuase words like pimping and rape were thrown about. Paki yobs may play a role in this, but they certainly don't have the corner on this market. Amongst minorities, the Afro-Brits lead in rapes and the Russians/E. Europeans have the hold of the drug/prostitution market. Pakis might be small timers but nothing compared to the other groups.
That being said, I do agree with Nosherwan's general sentiment. This yob culture is a stin on the community and will continue to make things difficult for Pakis who are trying to become a part of the educated middle/upper class.
Also, we need to make a difference between Paki as shortened for Pakistani versus the ethnic slur. Since I am (ostensibly) amongst fellow countrymen (hum watanis) I don't think that anyone should be concerned with the usage.
Re: Paki Yobs in the UK
Something must be feuling this mass psychotic behavior amongst Pakistanis. What are they learning at the mosques in Britain?
It's not that bad down here, but I'll tell you, most Pakistanis are NOT going to 4 yr college institutions, they are NOT doing professional education; they are not keeping it clean before marriage; having girlfriends before and DURING marriage is actually common.
I went to taraweeh a few nights this Ramadan , and the things I saw were really surprising. It hasn't been this bad with boys before really. But DURING Taraweeh, these stupid pakistani teenage boys are outside playing basketball (WTH are their parents doing??), and a group of boys was caught key'ing cars in the parking lot during prayers. In the women's secttion, a physical fight broke out.
And yes, not surprisingly, there has been a recent influx of village people. I don't get it. How do these people get visas??
Re: Paki Yobs in the UK
Sounds like there need to be some strong community interventions, confronting these families, and reporting the behavior to the police. Like if you know some kid is drug dealing and pimping little white girls (...what??) and then buying ferari's - then why complain about it? Pick up the phone, report it, and let the police know exactly where they need to go to get these a-holes redhanded.
Once the law starts cracking down on them, Pakistani communities will straighten up.
And education - you guys need to provide opportunities for your UK brethren for education.
Re: Paki Yobs in the UK
Also, Kensington represent! I miss my old chippy on Cromwell Road. Do not miss the touristy buggers roving the streets.
Re: Paki Yobs in the UK
.
Something must be feuling this mass psychotic behavior amongst Pakistanis. What are they learning at the mosques in Britain?
It's not that bad down here, but I'll tell you, most Pakistanis are NOT going to 4 yr college institutions, they are NOT doing professional education; they are not keeping it clean before marriage; having girlfriends before and DURING marriage is actually common.
I went to taraweeh a few nights this Ramadan , and the things I saw were really surprising. It hasn't been this bad with boys before really. But DURING Taraweeh, these stupid pakistani teenage boys are outside playing basketball (WTH are their parents doing??), and a group of boys was caught key'ing cars in the parking lot during prayers. In the women's secttion, a physical fight broke out.
And yes, not surprisingly, there has been a recent influx of village people. I don't get it. How do these people get visas??
Where do you live, Lodi? I don't see that over here in Dallas.
Most mosques in the UK are a mess, instead of teaching ppl even the basics of Islam (such as forced marriages are haram, yes some Muslim kids actually believe they have to obey their parents in this) they just want us to learn Qur'an (with absolutely no idea of what we're reading even means lol) parrot fashion. *I mean would any other group,religion or ethnicity be as naive or stupid as this?? *
East London Mosque I know is an exception, they have a really good reputation, do classes for converts, proper Arabic lessons, have a library, creche and a gym (I think they even do girl's kickboxing, how cool is that..). Wish more mosques would follow their example..
I was going to mention that Pakistani mens-only mosque in Ilford but am prob going to get too angry lol so best leave that for another time..
Forced marraiage in islam is haram ! is a basic tenet of islam ............ lols
(i think u spend more time in gym than in the mosque )
mosque is a place of worship not place of recreation ............ i think u need to learn basics of islam.
there are many other groups or follower of other relegion that are worst than us when we talk about practicing relegion. majority of christian are lukeworm in the west they dont know much about their relegion nor they practice it. beside quran is the only divine book in the world that exist in its orignal language and widout ne change.
dont call them parrots ! u learn it in arabic and then u can go further to get its understanding in the language. but it needs devotion and hardwork. but i think u have developed ur concepts about the bascis of islam through some websites or probably ur colleagues majority of them wud be non muslim.
Re: Paki Yobs in the UK
Why can't mosques be a place of recreation? They used to serve social functions before
I know forced marriage is haram hence my saying ‘some kids actually believe’ and not ‘I believe.’ I think u need to learn the basics of reading English before accusing me of things I haven’t said. Hardly any kids in Mosque learn the meaning of the verses of the Qur’an and Islamic teachings, if they did how come so many have such a distorted view of basics such as newly married couples being advised not to live with inlaws (unless they’re sick/elderly/lonely) and that the wife has the right to separate housing and to spend her own money as and how she wishes without permission from her husband? These children learn Arabic alphabet and Qur’an with little or absolutely no idea of what it means. If u go onto Ummah.com (apparently the most popular Islamic website) you’ll see ppl asking such ridiculous questions as ‘is weed halal?’ and ‘do I have to marry someone I don’t like to keep my parents happy?’ 
Oh, and before u accuse me of not knowing ‘real’ Islam I would take a long hard look at yourself, calling a woman a ‘cum slut’ (http://www.paklinks.com/gs/all-views/355674-bipasha-groped-during-durga-puja.html) is a disgusting thing for a Muslim to say.
I almost forgot.
"VOTE!"
I urge all British Pakis/Muslims to vote, vote for anyone as long as it's not the BNP.
Urge other Pakis to use their power to vote.
BNP would never get seats if we voted.
Vote for labour, conservatives, anyone, just vote to outnumber the BNP.
None of us bother to vote and that's one of the reason the BNP is growing stronger.
Make English/Urdu/Punjabi/Pashto leaflets urging people to vote for any part except the BNP and stick them up in Mosques, Gurdawaras and Mandirs and community centers.
A lot of Muslims believe voting is haram then whine when the BNP win seats on their local council or sit back and moan when the UK decides to go to war with some Muslim country.. If more Muslims went into politics and journalism perhaps things would change. Unfortunately a lot of young Muslims choose to alienate themselves, underachieve and indulge in crime, all the while blaming 'racism.' If it was racism how is it that Indians are doing so much better than us? It seems to me sometimes that a lot of us desi Muslims are too lazy and too keen to play the victim. Other ethnic groups have tended to flourish over periods of years (such as the Jews, look how well they're doing in London when they used to live in 'ghettos' just as many Muslims still do nowadays after 30/40yrs, the Poles might not be doing so well but they are much more recent immigrants and have a reputation for being hardworking).
Nosherwan is right when he says Brits don't look down on others as they do on Pakistanis, Indians are seen as hardworking, as are the Chinese. On the whole we're seen as too insular, scroungers and benefit cheats who aren't educated and don't have the desire to be either, ppl also see us as hypocrites, coming to live in the UK then choosing not to assimilate, is there any other ethnic group that has women esp who have been here 30yrs yet can hardly string a sentence together in English? I once asked a friend why his Mum had never bothered to learn the language at all despite being here since the 60s and he said 'so what?' My Mum's friend is a social worker and told me she used to have to literally beg Pakistani and Bengali husbands to let their wives learn English whilst the Indians, Africans and poor East Europeans would encourage their wives to go and get educated. It was bizarre and very sad..
Re: Paki Yobs in the UK
The Pakistani population in the United States is not at all like this.
Why is it that the Pakistanis have become this way? Are they all from some village? From what I understand, the Punjabis have huge dibs when it comes to migrating to the UK because of the inside connections in the UK consulate. Is it sort of like a bottleneck situation, where a small segment of Pakistani population has had an advantage to migrate to UK, whether its Mirpuri or whatever, and what you're seeing are trends that are prevalent in that sub-set of Pakistanis?
In which case, would the solution be to cut out the discrimination at the level of visa administration, so other education subsets of Pakistanis are able to move to UK?
I'm not in UK, so I really don't know how it works. But when I have been there on stopovers, I've noticed all the Pakistanis at the airport were Punjabi.
^ 50,000 persons from Mirpur villages were vacated and moved to England when Pakistan Built the Mangla Dam in the 60's
What does YOB mean?
Re: Paki Yobs in the UK
^^ Yeah, Pakistanis in the US tend to be more educated and much better assimilated. Most of the UK Pakistanis came from poor families in Mirpur to work in the factories in northern towns. When these factories closed down they went to work doing other menial jobs or simply became unemployed living off benefits and not placing much value on education, even for their kids. They encouraged v.early marriage, it was pretty common for girls to be sent back home to Pak around the ages of 13/14/15 (but not the sons, of course) to protect them from the 'evils' of the West, stop them having boyfriends etc and also losing a big chunk of their schooling (inc important GCSE coursework and exams), often they'd get engaged or married off and become pregnant v.quickly by their 'back home' husbands who usually weren't educated either. This still goes on, a friend of my Mum's was telling her how girls would just 'disappear' for holidays under the pretext that Grandmother was ill or something and either they wouldn't come bk or come bk engaged or married several months or yrs later.. Also, the practice of getting sons and daughters to marry relatives 'back home' for a visa is still pretty common, instead of working hard to come over here family ties are used (and sometimes abused) which I think encourages a culture of laziness..
Pakistanis and Bengalis also have a reputation as benefit cheats, in London it's not uncommon for them to claim large council houses cos they tend to have such big families and then rent these gov properties out for profit. So not only do they not work, they're also fleecing the gov and all of us taxpayers lol. Honestly, I sometimes think we're amongst the most dishonest ppl out there, so many haven't been brought up with any sort of work ethic unlike Indians and other races, often it just seems to be about 'easy' money :(
^ 50,000 persons from Mirpur villages were vacated and moved to England when Pakistan Built the Mangla Dam in the 60's
What does YOB mean?
YOB means layabout/general troublemaker
YOB means layabout/general troublemaker
I thought it sounds more like.......Yo Boss!
whatever it is, does not seem like a very flattering term for immigrants!