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I dont think the report literally states that. Plus, didnt we hear the same thing on how Pakistan's economy will only survive a few weeks after the coup occured back in 1999? We did survive 2000 and most of 2001 under sanctions didnt we?
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Based on World Bank and SBP publications,
In 2001 - Pakistan had an external debt burden of US $32.1 Billion approx
Just after 9/11, Pakistan received $600 million in emergency cash (not loan) from the US to avoid default on loan payments.
In late 2001, $12 billion of the bilateral "Paris Club" debt was rescheduled with low interest over 35 years effectively cutting a signficant debt servicing payments.
In 2004, the US forgave $1.5 Billion of Pakistan's debt to America, which is approximately half of the bilateral debt.
In the beginning of Fiscal year 2004, Pakistan's net external debt was $33.3 Billion approx.
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True, Pakistan didn’t get free money. Pakistan got blood money and that be Muslim + Pakistani Muslim blood.
A Muslim has more rights living in a Kafir/Hindu country then in Pakistan. Since Pakistan hasn’t proved itself to be a heaven for Muslims, what it was originated for, what it was intended to be, what the founding fathers wanted and claimed it to be, it is (again) a failed state.
Pakistan ka matlab kya? Bla bla bla
Let those who wishes to be with India/Bollywood be with India and Bollywood. Let those who wish to go on their own go on their own, let those who wish to join Afghanistan join Afghanistan.
End this farangi fitna once and for all. End to the GREAT GAME! End to the suffering of Muslims and non-Muslims alike.
Jay hind! Shaloom! and Aslaamooo Alay kooom ma bratha 
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Why are you cutting out information ?
The $1b debt was written off as Pakistan became an ally for U.S.
We provided americans several counter terrorism related services and operations
that they needed. In return we recieved funds for it. That does constitute as business and I think Pakistan has a right to recieve a bonus ‘‘gift’’ from an ally
from all the services that we provided.
About the paris club, a rescheduled loan, is still a loan. Pakistan is STILL paying those back.
The way you’re desperately trying to project Pakistan as a beggar or a failed
state was possible pre Musharraf’s rule. Not now 
Things have changed.
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Pakistan today has betrayed all it’s morals and principles. The nation simply exists because it is ruled by an army, which has been hired (yes hired) by the west to fulfill it’s wishes around the world. Pakistan is a country hijacked by it’s army. They (the army) have sold the soul of the country to protect their own interests and exact revenge on India. This is the only mission of the army…they could give two $hits about the ordinary Pakistani people.
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By 2015 I will be in Pakistan, InshaAllah, so no worries. It will all be under control.
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and i suppose you have nothing to back that up except some maulana’s speeches.
Thats quite stupid to write that.
Seriously, where do u come from ? and do u even have a brain ?
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Make sure u end up in Lahore, because that will be the last part of Pakistan, which would prefer to be called Pakistan
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C'mon, it doesn't take a genius to figure out that Pakistan government = Pak Army. Pak Army is not a democratic institution representing the wishes of it's peoples. It is run by the Generals and thus the country is run by the Generals. This amazing army is a reluctant "hired gun" of the U.S. Morally and politically, it does not like to do what the U.S. tells it to do, but it does it so that it remains the power player and gets $$. This does not have any ring of truth to you? Probably not, b/c you're from the officer's class of the Army.
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^ I'm not interested in seeing your own self driven theories.
Noone is interested in that.
I want to see facts.
SHOW US SOME PROOF THAT THE GOVERNMENT IS HIRED BY U.S. :)
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^ Let me see..tell me another country in the world where US has FBI offices? 
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I don’t think that India will let Pakistan become a failed state. It has plenty of troubles with its’ other bordering nations. It is not in Indian interest to see a failed nuclear state on its doorsteps.
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There is no such thing as an “FBI office” in pakistan either
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From The Friday Times, Aug 13-19 2004 issue.
**In the clutches of CIA-FBI combine **
Imtiaz Gul
We are in the electronic clutches of the US, say intelligence officials
The latest string of raids and the resultant arrests of Al Qaeda suspects and their Pakistani backers underlines two realities. The US Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) is present in Pakistan in full force and forced by this presence and a commitment for cooperation by President Pervez Musharraf, the ISI is conducting the anti-terror campaign with professional commitment.
The FBI has put in place a system of electronic intelligence and communication never seen before in Pakistan. As an intelligence official put it, “We are in the electronic clutches of another country.”
But few people can guess the extent of FBI’s all-pervasive presence and the extent to which it can monitor communications in Pakistan. The anti-terror war began with the US acquisition of the Jacobabad airbase in October 2001. The process of “acquisition” continues with the help of sophisticated eavesdropping technology and computerised identification systems installed at various locations in Islamabad, Peshawar, Quetta, Lahore, Faisalabad and, in particular, Karachi.
In late 2002, the Capital Development Authority (CDA) in Islamabad had to cede a chunk of its executive block adjacent to the ISI headquarters to accommodate the rising numbers of anti-terror agents, both local and the US.
Sources privy to the “renovation “ of the CDA blocks told TFT that, to their surprise, at least two hundred new air-conditioners were installed in the building before the intelligence outfit members could move in. Besides serving the ISI-FBI personnel, these blocks also house the hi-tech surveillance and eavesdropping systems that are being used to intercept all calls to and from Pakistan.
These systems have been instrumental in keeping an eye on almost every telephonic conversation that takes place in these cities, an intelligence official said, adding that the authorities owed some of the stunning victories over militants, beginning with the arrest of Khalid Sheikh Mohammad in Rawalpindi, to this equipment.
The electronic intelligence devices also led to recent operations in Peshawar’s Hayatabad area, which has, for long, been the favourite abode of wealthy Afghans, Arabs and Africans. “I was surprised to know that the ISI-FBI eavesdropping did not spare even us,” said a senior official with a civilian intelligence outfit. They had every number I had dialled or calls I had received from. Based on that they also questioned me on my contacts, many of whom dated back to the Taliban era,” the official said.
“Even your private conversations are not safe,” another official said.
Enquiries in Lahore, Peshawar, Islamabad and Karachi reveal that most intelligence agents working on the anti-terror project together with scores of retired civilian and military intelligence officers, are constantly being monitored by the ISI-FBI-CIA combine.
The US consulate in Peshawar, another place where such hi-tech equipment has been installed tracks every phone call, officials say.
According to the Washington Post, “The (entire) operation is being paid for with millions of dollars from the CIA, supported with equipment from the National Security Agency and carried out by Pakistani soldiers and intelligence units. It has netted more than 100 suspects in recent days. The [Pakistan] military effort has forced the fighters out of the rugged remote tribal areas [South and North Waziristan] into more urban areas, where they are more visible and vulnerable to capture, “ the paper quoted officials as saying.
Quoting another Pakistani intelligence official, the paper said: “US assistance comes in the shape of incredible data and analysis based on electronic and signal intercepts of Al Qaeda suspects all over the world. Their information is also based upon the detailed debriefing of the arrested suspects and a scientific follow-up of these debriefings held at unidentified locations.”
“It is the penetration of Pakistan’s telecom systems by the US organisations that has yielded better results and won it appreciation by President George W. Bush,” said a diplomat in Islamabad.
http://www.upi.com/view.cfm?StoryID=20020827-110529-6016r
concentrated in the North West Frontier region between Afghanistan and Pakistan have covers. But Pakistanis must wonder what an import-export office – or, as in one case, a multinational soft drinks company – is doing with unmanned drone planes, night-vision radars, satellite-based communications systems and trained dogsFBI conducts operations in Pakistan without local officials knowledge
Pakistan struggles with FBI presence
Pakistan: FBI rules the roost](http://www.atimes.com/atimes/South_Asia/EJ04Df04.html)
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^ did u even think for a moment before posting that ?
Did you even think that that has NOTHING to do with a stupendous claim that
pakistan is going to be a failed state ?!!
Wow- seriously, all i see here are few curry pots(i mean u indians), desperately trying to prove something. Yet, they dont have anything to prove it. I mean seriously, after reading all your posts, one can easily come to the conclusion that none of you cud possibly have a working brain!!
About the FBI, all I see is Pakistani forces communicating with FBI officials in orderto maximize security within regions.
And you guys are jumping in circles that it shohuld be considered a fail state over that?
BAAAAAAA ha ha ha ha ..!!!
D:D
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here you go.
US Opens First FBI Office In China
10-24-2
Beijing, Oct 24 (PTI) Claiming significant progress in the global war on terrorism, US today announced the establisment of the first office of the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) in China to enhance bilateral cooperation in enforcing the rule of law.
The FBI office in China will facilitate cooperation and coordination of US efforts on counter-terrorism, trans-national crime, drug trafficking and will help enforce the rule of law, US Atttorney General John Ashcroft told reporters before concluding his two-day visit here.
“The US and China agree that the most important response to terrorism is that we act together swiftly,” he said.
China had, in February, agreed to oblige US’ request to open an FBI office when US President George W Bush met with his Chinese counterpart Jiang Zemin in Beijing.
The FBI office is to be manned by Tony Lau, a 20-year Chinese-American veteran of the bureau. FBI has more than 40 such offices world-wide, its website said.
“We feel that we have made real progress in the war on terrorism and a number of markers are evidence of that progress,” Ashcroft said after concluding talks with senior Chinese officials on enhancing bilateral cooperation in the fight against terrorism and trans-national crimes.
“Progress comes as a result of what we have done to those who perpetrate terror but also how we have reconfigured our resources to avoid, disrupt and prevent additional terrorist acts,” he said.
Copyright © 2002 Press Trust of India Ltd. All rights reserved.
http://www.rense.com/general30/USopensFBIchina.htm
http://www.indiapost.com/members/story.php?story_id=176
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^^ LOL man al-majid
What my previous post did was bust up your claim that there are no FBI offices in Pakistan. Teri to phat gayee :biggthumb
Can you name one self respecting state with some sense of dignity and honor that will allow some random goras to catch their own citizens at will?
I guess not.
Now change goalposts.
What a joke! 
Re: Pak will be failed State by 2015: CIA
whats your point talvar bibi. china has an officially sanctioned fbi presence as I've posted above. whats the implication here?
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Ravage darling,
FBI has liaison offices in dozens of countries. That is usually restricted on one or offices in the capital or big cities where tehre is an embassy or consulate. These offices have little power unless the local govt decides to seek their expertise, especially in cases involving American citizens.
In Pakistan, the FBI has powers to arrest anyone, record any conversation, monitor communications, watch financial transactions etc.
I’m yet to see a self-respecting sovereign state that allows foreigners to do what its local puls should do. Have you?
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the above office is not a liason office. the stated purpose is not for rescuing american citizens off treetops but explicitly for counter terrorism and trans national crime, the very same purpose the presence is in Pakistan for.
as for whether or not FBI acts directly in Pakistan, or whether through proxy, and how that is different from how it gets people in China and India is a matter of speculation. Try getting official word from FBI that it arrests people in pakistan, and tell me if they tell you anything. Anything else, and read this very carefully, ANYTHING else that you produce is an allegation based on random news sources. It does not become 'fact' between you and I.
So on the basis of facts, that FBI has upto 40 offices worldwide for counterterrorism, including china and pakistan, what can you conclude?