Re: Pak will be failed State by 2015: CIA
Abdali..isn't this where you are supposed to come back with stats on how the US economy is going down the tubes? I am still waiting...been two weeks now. ;)
Re: Pak will be failed State by 2015: CIA
CIA couldn't figure out what AL Qaeda was doing before Sept 11th. They can't figure out what they are doing now. They can't catch OBL and they expect us to believe this? Predictions never come true. After all people predicted Bush would lose.
Re: Pak will be failed State by 2015: CIA
^ Oh CM, please help Abdali..I am still waiting after 2 weeks on your predictions on how America is going down. :)
Re: Pak will be failed State by 2015: CIA
Do i look like Abdali to you? Nope. So ask him not me.
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Chalo..I will let it go. You know you were jumping up and down in that thread. And then ran away... :) it's ok yaar..he hasn't come back with anything either...don't feel bad.
Re: Pak will be failed State by 2015: CIA
Since when did i say something as stupid as the US economy is going to hell?
Re: Pak will be failed State by 2015: CIA
First of all, thats not what CIA said.
Someone's own creation - thats all!
Secondly, even if CIA DID say that then let me remind you that CIA HAS NO IDEA
what's going on in pakistan. In the last five years, pakistan turned around its
economic state.
At this rate, after 10 years, pak's economy will be no different than that of
Korea and Taiwan.
I would've believed it pre 99 during Nawaz's rule, but now things have changed too much.
Get Real :p
Re: Pak will be failed State by 2015: CIA
Can we please move this thread to the joke section. Matsui it’s 6:55 am and I am 
. I knew you had a sense of humor, but this is out of this world.:k:
al-majid: I agree whole-heartedly that CIA has no clue about Pakistan and Iraq. It’s a stupid organization, they should just close it down and out-source it to Mossad, RAW and portions of it to ISI. Actually here I propose a new name MoRaI pronounced (murwai).
Re: Pak will be failed State by 2015: CIA
How credible is the source Shaheen Sehbai. Wasnt he the editor of Pakistani newspaper “News” who was fired by Musharraf (?) and then later settled in US
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/South_Asia/GB15Df01.html
India grapples with specter of failing states
By Sultan Shahin
NEW DELHI - For the past five years or more, India was almost exclusively obsessed with facing threats from Pakistan. Also, it has been busy promoting its emerging “big power status” and lobbying for a permanent veto-wielding United Nations Security Council seat. Playing its “rightful role” in world affairs was the goal. Now suddenly, it is seized with the nightmarish vision of two potentially failing steps on its eastern doorstep, one likely to be soon overrun by Maoists with links to Indian radicals of the same hue, and the other dominated by Islamic fundamentalists with links to al-Qaeda and Pakistani extremists. Indeed, the US Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) is also predicting that Pakistan could be a failed state by 2015.
India seems not to know how to respond to events unfolding in Nepal and Bangladesh. Right-wing opposition is pillorying the government for what it calls its knee-jerk reactions. But some good may come out of this as New Delhi focuses its sights closer home. The Ministry of External Affairs has, however, promised to come out with its South Asian strategy soon.
When Nepal’s King Gyanendra seized power on February 1, India reacted angrily, according to its first impulses; democratic, as democracy had been trampled on; and super-powerish, as its specific advice to the king not to go ahead with the widely suspected coup had been ignored, thus challenging India’s pre-eminent status in the region.
Much sanctimonious posturing and pretentious outrage ensued. A regional summit meeting was postponed as a democratic leader of India couldn’t be seen shaking hands with a constitutional monarch who had assumed power, put political leaders under house arrest, jailed journalists and suspended civil liberties. A planned visit of the army chief was also canceled.
Now the democratic impulse has run its course, super-powerish rage has subsided, and a sense of reality has set in. New Delhi cannot afford to disengage with Nepal and thus leave the door open for China and Pakistan to step in and perhaps establish a permanent military presence on India’s northeastern borders. Following in the footsteps of China and Pakistan, therefore, India’s Defense Minister Pranab Mukherjee, too, has called the developments an internal matter of Nepal. India said last Wednesday its response to the recent developments in Nepal would be dictated by the clout of the Maoists agitating for the abolition of the monarchy in the Himalayan kingdom.
Sultan Shahin is a New Delhi-based writer.
Re: Pak will be failed State by 2015: CIA
CIA may just be hype…but there’s plenty of reasons for Pak to be considered a failed state. Here’s the latest.
http://www.asianews.it/view.php?l=en&art=2554
11 February, 2005
PAKISTAN
Human rights in Pakistan: violence and misery for children and women
by Qaiser Felix
Islamabad (AsiaNews) – In its ‘State of Human Rights Report’ for 2004, the Human Rights Commission of Pakistan (HRCP) said that the situation of human rights in the country is abysmal.
The Report’s six chapters trace an upward trend in violence against religious minorities as well as women, noting the lack of appropriate laws to protect such groups.
The data shows that overall human rights violations rose in 2004 compared to previous years; especially troubling were crimes against women and children.
Not only is economic hardship the main threat to the wellbeing of children but so are physical and sexual abuse.
Given the absence of any government strategy to address the problem, the situation is deteriorating. Many children who suffer from malnutrition are also denied an adequate education and have little or no access to drinking water and medical care. In Karachi alone 10,000 children survive in the streets.
According to the Report, education standards are constantly dropping and schools are increasingly inaccessible to the poorest classes of society.
This explains why Pakistan is at the bottom of the world ranking in terms of education. Some experts noted that about 5.8 million children did not attend any school or educational programme.
The health situation is also critical with polio still a problem, a situation complicated by the fact that much of the population is still unable to adequately feed itself: more than one third lives below the poverty line.
With poverty and unemployment at high levels more than a thousand Pakistanis committed suicide with another 4.5 million people addicted to illicit drugs.
Of all the groups, women are especially vulnerable. The HRCP Report cites official government statistics according to which about 1,000 women were murdered last year in honour killings, another 10,000 were raped, and thousands more were victims of domestic violence, including 42 women who were attacked with acid and 19 flogged.
Even when the government has laws that are supposed to stop discrimination against women, the Commission points out, they have had little impact because the Hudood (which outlaws extra-marital sex and rape outside of a valid marriage), Qisas (which calls for equal punishment for the crime committed) and Diyat (compensation payable to a victim’s legal heirs) Ordinances have not been repealed or amended.
Victims at home, women find no respite from violence in the workplace. Existing legislation is dourly inadequate; it fails to protect them from sexual harassment and abuse as well as discriminatory labour practices. Some surveys have indicated that 78 per cent of women workers have suffered harassment of one kind or another.
In presenting the report to the press, the HRCP former chairman Afrasyab Khattak accused the political establishment of doing nothing to defend the rights of women and children.
"Children as young as three years have been convicted under the Frontier Crimes Regulations [Act] and are serving their sentences in Haripur,” he said.
As for the plight of Pakistanis languishing in Afghan jails, Mr Khattak said that “the Afghan government wants to hand them over to Pakistan so that their cases can be heard and their fates decided. However, Pakistan has refused to accept them.”
The number of Pakistanis in Afghan jails is not known but some unofficial sources speak of up to 400 waiting for trial in Pakistan’s northern neighbour.
Given the present situation, the HRCP is worried about the future. HRCP Director I A Rehman said that “2004 has seen some of the worst incidents of sectarian violence”. Even more alarming is “the degree of freedom with which the state used its guns on its own people” to deal with social problems.
For Mr Rehman, opting for a military solution to problem-solving is a matter of grave concern. ”The lack of respect for the law and for justice means that anybody charged with terrorism has no access to legal representation and can be secretly detained” for long periods of time.
For the HRCP director, the report paints a gloomy picture of Pakistan’s legal and judicial systems, which is always defending the interests of the state rather than those of the democratic process”.
Re: Pak will be failed State by 2015: CIA
[quote=“haroon2004”]
CIA may just be hype…but there’s plenty of reasons for Pak to be considered a failed state. Here’s the latest.
http://www.asianews.it/view.php?l=en&art=2554
This is a pro-Christian website. Dont believe all what they put on this website.
Re: Pak will be failed State by 2015: CIA
Surprised you dont agree with their analysis?!?
Re: Pak will be failed State by 2015: CIA
Pak already is a failed state.
Bangladesh, Balochistan, Waziristan.
Re: Pak will be failed State by 2015: CIA
Logo ridiculing aside,Pakistan does play an important role in international politics. In a way it's like the "&" in fair_&_balance.
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you must be really stupid to consider it a fail state based on human rights.
Plenty of countries have worse economies/human rights/violence than Pakistan.
Our own neighbour India has similar human rights violations. Maybe worse than
pakistan or maybe better. But it stands similar to Pakistan.
Indonese/sri lanka/bangladesh/zimbabwe/Nigeria.. are you forgetting these countries?
Pak’s own economy is far stronger than before. You guys seem to go blind
over this. Tonns of quotes from financial institutions that are all saying
that Pakistan is developing at a fast pace!
Re: Pak will be failed State by 2015: CIA
If somebody drops a couple billion dollars on your lap, you develop very fast right away. That artificial development goes away once the donor leaves. Pakistan is like a child that needs to leave his parent's house and learn to live on his own. It needs development from it's own people itself to survive, it can't live forever on money/goods/support donated from U.S. and China (our mother and father) and Saudi Arabia (our uncle).
When our survival depends on handouts from foreign countries, it's a failed state!
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^ that and getting out of the Islam or bust mentality
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“Donated” ? Excuse me ? When did this happen ?
Are you referring to loans ? Because there is a fine line between a donation and a loan. The money that we recieve as loan is still a LOAN. We pay it back.
Another fact where you should open your eyes is that the total loan borrowing of
Pakistan which swelled in the late 90’s has gone down sharply in the last four years due to considerable growth in several manufacturing industries.
Pakistan still gets loans - for several projects - but loan is a loan. and we pay it back. Got it ? good 
Re: Pak will be failed State by 2015: CIA
^ do you know what debt forgiveness exacts as a price? ;) How much in debt was forgiven after 9/11...debt=loan chanda.
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^ There is NO SUCH thing as free money in the world. Pakistan didnt get anything like that :)