Overseas Pakistani Syndrome

[ajazali]

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And, what about people living in Pakistan?
They would miss cousin/friends’ marriages, funerals and many other events that are part & parcel of life.

People don’t (want to) think out of the box. The model this world is currently working with, is from ‘kuffar’. So it has its evil implications.

[CoughCough]

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@09

Calm down mate, before you blow a fuse in your head.

**1. **Now as far you as your post, you should be whining and crying at the writer too who is demeaning anyone who’s gone through what you have instead of having a whine at me.

Secondly, to me the author came across as saying that people do have a choice to go back, but they don’t do, instead they prefer cash and its lure and that’s where their entire life is, around greed in foreign countries. I showed my disgust at those people. Was your father doing that? Ofcourse he wasn’t, Christ. He was making a living instead og giving a crap about money. Which is what I meant.

**2. **As for privileged don’t give me this sh!t. I have lost my own family members in Pakistan and no natural deaths, the great nation which we should all respect and not say a word against, and I have not been able to go to funerals same as your family, two at the last count. That’s some privilege, aren’t I thankful? From my own view I think the author is saying that people prefer to enjoy cash instead of coming back home for funerals, in my post I disagreed with that and it was directed clearly at anyone who does do that. Not at people like you. I should have added the word ‘greed’ in my post.

**​ **Maybe I didn’t get my point across properly and for that I apologise.

**3. **2-4 lines and now cheerleading is your usual contribution in this thread. Explains a lot.

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1. **Refer to post #19.

**2. **I refer you back to your own post.

@09

I struggle to remember anyone who’s missed parents’ funerals due to ‘obligations’. I really do. And if people do indeed do that do you not think some of us would also find it disgusting?

I forgot. We’re pathetic ABCD’s with no morals, which was what his waffle was all about, mostly. No company here would not allow you to go back if your parents had passed away. Its as true as pigs that flew by my window.

My quarrel was with this comment of yours. I sincerely hope you never have to stay due to such obligations lest you feel disgusted.

**3. **Her contribution to the thread is pretty much summed what the others have said about the article. Maybe you should also calm down.

[Shak]

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I am calm. I also elaborated what I meant and what I SHOULD have added and I didn’t. Looking back at it my comment really did come off across as being impolite. I also apologised for it in the thread, to you as well. I don’t think I can do anymore than that can I? Jesus. And thanks for your well wishes in your point 2. Much appreciated.

I think that just about covers it from my end.

[Ghost14]

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The fact that people still can’t see the flaw in his article is astounding. The worst thing about the internet is that Joe Schmo now has a voice, when sometimes, he really shouldn’t.

[pwner]

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Someone’s posts just reminded me of Sachaydino. All the colorful adjectives

[Shak]

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@pwner

Someone’s posts just reminded me of Sachaydino. All the colorful adjectives

You love foreign Pakistanis as well as bread goes with mould, Sachay is in Pakistan and the article seems right up your street. What went wrong?

[pwner]

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@09

You love foreign Pakistanis as well as bread goes with mould, Sachay is in Pakistan and the article seems right up your street. What went wrong?

Awwwww!!! So cute!.. I knew this would happen

BTW…he is not in pakistan.

[Scherbatsky]

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@09

Maybe I didn’t get my point across properly and for that I apologise.

2-4 lines and now cheerleading is your usual contribution in this thread. Explains a lot.

So everyone gets an apology and some ass-kissing but I’m the cheerleader?

[Shak]

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@pwner

Awwwww!!! So cute!.. I knew this would happen

BTW…he is not in pakistan.

I’ll add being Nostradamus to your impressive array of skills. Khush?

[Jolie]

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@pwner

Awwwww!!! So cute!.. I knew this would happen

BTW…he is not in pakistan.

You mean the guy who lives in USA and once upon a time vehemently argued that extra funding of Pakistani Higher Education is a totally needless and in fact a ‘BS’ initiative? The author of this piece would certainly hit the roof once again if he finds that out.

[Shak]

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@Scherbatsky

So everyone gets an apology and some ass-kissing but I’m the cheerleader?

You were shocked at my seemingly insulting post and now label my apology as ass kissing.

I will try and make sense of it

[pwner]

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Hey, somebody gonna get a hurd real bad. Stop yous all. You want to be banned too? You don’t disrupt such discussion by calling out the spades as spades. Or else you know better!

[pwner]

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@Jolie

You mean the guy who lives in USA and once upon a time vehemently argued that extra funding of Pakistani Higher Education is a totally needless and in fact a ‘BS’ initiative? The author of this piece would certainly hit the roof once again if he finds that out.

Yea, the one who keeps calling people names because he can’t come up with logical response to any topic or any point being made. You know the drill.

[Jolie]

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Even at that, he does a very bad job, lol.

[Zafra]

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@Ghost14

The fact that people still can’t see the flaw in his article is astounding. The worst thing about the internet is that Joe Schmo now has a voice, when sometimes, he really shouldn’t.

Agreed. Now everybody can comment about Pakistan sitting in their recliners.

[system]

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Joe schmo bit is true. reminds me of catty purry threads very much.

[Ghost14]

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@Zafra

Agreed. Now everybody can comment about Pakistan sitting in their recliners.

Case in point. Welcome Joe.

[Zafra]

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@Ghost14

Case in point. Welcome.

Tsk tsk you thought i was being snarky but I was genuinely agreeing that not everybody’s view point is relevant or valid.

[Ghost14]

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You, snarky? Never man. You’re the epitome of blunt.

[X2]

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@Shamraz_Khan

Do you disagree with what he is saying? If so why?

Love the tone, assumptions and chip on the shoulder that is about the size of K2 (the chip not the shoulder)

Looks like it applies to people who grew up in Pakistan and moved out, so I have no skin in the game.

But I guess as someone of Pakistani origin I can agree to all of what he is asking…each and every request to butt out and stay the hell out of discourse, debate, blame storming etc…

in return I ask all the people back there to just do me one favor..

dont **** up that place so royally that because of your lameness, I have to address or argue for these ass clowns.
As long as their apathy, short sightedness and narrow mindedness does not chase me wherever else I may be, I am okay with whatever they do to themselves, each other and whatever reputation they want to have.

some sentences I did want to address as an unconcerned party in this point of contention between expats and locals…

@Shamraz_Khan

My issue is when every one of you folks lectures us on the intricacies of how the country is going to **** and no one is doing anything about it.

Okay lets say its not ‘no one’ but either not enough people, or if it is enough people, they are not effective.

@Shamraz_Khan

What is required is you move on, accept the fact that you will never be as Pakistani as the guy who lives here,

Sure, and thank god for that…

@Shamraz_Khan

sees the poor on the street but cannot do anything about it.

‘cant’… really? or will not.
the people eating at restaurants on the street can’t give leftovers to the begging kids on the footpath, or they won’t?
can’t..cant..cant…
right…

@Shamraz_Khan

For God’s sake stop confusing our weakness for indifference,

lack of effectiveness… that is the outcome. the people there can figure out what their issue is. I am neither them, nor am I there. They are better suited to speak to the real reasons of their failure. weakness, indifference, incompetence,…whatever it is.. they can figure out.

@Shamraz_Khan

we may not have been able to help the poor on the street but we do empathize with him. We may not have been able to change the system but we sure the hell are determined to try.

determination means jack without action…real, planned, solid action. Its not there…
proof is in the pudding…
and there is no pudding that I see…

@Shamraz_Khan

We may not have been able to bring a sweeping revolution but we are willing to stand under the blazing sun for hours on end to vote. It’s about time you accept the fact that you gave up your right on criticizing this country when you didn’t come down here to vote.

I gave up that right a long time ago by opting not to claim citizenship

@Shamraz_Khan

And to all of you living in self-imposed exile let’s ask ourselves what have we done for our Country, how much tax have we paid in the last X number of years, how many schools and colleges did we open? How many people did we provide jobs? How many households did we support from the money that we earned from foreign countries? No one asks these questions, no one really cares.

actually, someone did ask this question.
Portrait of a Giving Community: Philanthropy by the Pakistani-American Diaspora (Studies in Global Equity): Adil Najam: 9780674023666: Amazon.com: Books
That will show how much people invest already..
a little snapshot of what the 500K pakistani expats in US do for Pakistan..
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but that is beyond the point. I only have one issue. its not that overseas pakistanis give too little to pakistan, but that it is that they give too much. There are needy families in their new home, of pakisani background as well as of non pakistani background. Frankly they come first.

@Shamraz_Khan

You gave up your right to complain when you gave up your green passport. Not your right to life, liberty or the pursuit of happiness but a far more fundamental one, the right to criticize your Country and it’s time to accept it.

Unless the criticism is not as criticizing ‘your country’ but a country…just like we can criticize Saudi Arabia, or Israel, or Sudan…

@Shamraz_Khan

Come visit us meet us after a couple of years or whenever you want, we will welcome you, love you and respect you, like you deserve. We will open our homes and hearts for you.

…we will rob you, cheat you, and maybe even kill you (especially if you are shia or ahmadi) ..that too right, or do we just want to sugar coat everything?

@Shamraz_Khan

Just be courteous enough not to be involved in the matters of our home. This is our land, this is where we live every day and this is what we will fix.

sure…but then if critiquing as an outsider is not allowed, can we please have the same in return and not have pakistanis in Pakistan whinge about UK, or US or UAE or France? Thank you… lets start with the maulvi types…

@Shamraz_Khan

; because if words were food, nobody would be going hungry in Pakistan.

…surely the vast majority of the words are coming from local people…its not as if ‘words’ from a small group of expats is somehow magically countering the real effort made by locals…

@Shamraz_Khan

. It’s for us who would never be ease at being where they are and would never have the kahunas to actually move back. Accepting is the first step my friend.

cojones amigo…cojones grande’

yes…accepting is the first step…for everyone involved

PS: can pakistanis not use the term cojones especially if they can’t spell it right… and just use the term tattaay …shukriya…I mean Gracias