Overboard?

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I went to Eid namaz this morning. Every year, at this masjid its the same deal.

Namaz is supposed to start at 8.

It did not begin until 8:30-8:45ish.

Then we do our 2 rakats for eid.

After that the Imam starts going on with a dua in Arabic - for like an hour. Or a khutba. Or something - I don’t know, I don’t understand Arabic so I have no clue what he was saying.

They have the women sitting outside in a tent, while the men are INSIDE the masjid with a/c.

The tent was mostly covered, but the front of it was exposed with head-on sunlight from a rising sun.

As a result, we were all sweating perfusely, and the kids were crying, because they have all this heavy silk joras that their moms dressed them in.

And that KHUTBA/DUA/WHATEVER lasted for well over an hour. The women got fed up and in the middle of his speech, they all start getting up and doing their “Eid mubarak! kiss kiss kiss”. Within 10 minutes all the women in the tent got up and walked outside, while the Imam is still going on with his dua.

Eventually, even the guys came outside and the Imam was still going. I don’t know if he noticed that people were leaving.

In fact, same thing happened on the final night of taraweeh - he and the other masjid guys did shout-outs to their friends, which lasted, I kid you not, A FULL HOUR. And then a dua which lasted over an hour - we left at midnight, but some of the aunties who stuck it out said he went until 2 am.

What kind of Imams are these, I don’t get it?

Why was I in Eid namaz for TWO HOURS this morning (8-10) for TWO RAKATS!?!?!?

Its very frustrating. Some of us have plans, have work, have whatever going on, and I think its unreasonable to keep people for so long!

Is this something you guys have noticed at your masjids as well?

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And since when do men read in the masjid when women are made to read outside in a tent? What kind of people force women and CHILDREN to be out in the heat for a 2 hour prolonged prayer, while they lounge inside in air conditioning???

....SERIOUSLY???

I was so angry this morning.

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:smack:

1 - The Imam usually gives a khutba in english before the 2 rakat. That english khutba can start at the appointed namaz time (in your case 8am) or it can start before 8am, most masajids do it 15-30minutes before appointed time..It is not obligatory. As for the (arabic) khutba after 2rakat, that is obligatory. If one does not listen to that khutba, the namaz will not count.

2 - Women reading outside in a tent is your problem, deal with it. Go to the shura and complain. Maybe use your brain a little, they didn’t have space? Women coming to that masjid only started not long ago? - edit - sorry if wrote in a negative way or tone..

As for the plans, work and whatnot, yes the masjid and Imam should think about the community and plan out their activities.

Duas… if people have no patience for duas, then why bother coming to the masjid? I would love if the imam made 1hour duas.. It usually is around 1hr every khatam-ul-quran night… so dunno what those people are complaining about.

Allah knows best.

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Such molvis shud have heir license revoked. And Eid prayer shud be early that is soon after the sunrise, i don't know what time is sunrise in your areas but in my place it was 6 AM.

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That's terrible...If I had to sit through a dua for 1-2 hours I'd lose all concetration and go deaf. Thankfully, such a thing doesn't happen where I go for Namaz and taraweeh. The whole eid namaz + khutba took total of 30-35 mins. I really think you should contact the mosque and share your thoughts, I'm sure they want more people to come and like coming to mosque.

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All Imam's should pay full mind to the congregation they lead. Amongst them are women, children and elderly and each of these have their requirements.

Peace Sister PyariCgudia take this as Shaitan's first attempt to disuade the Muslims after being allowed to come at us again ...

Let's be strong ... and Eid Mubarak

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In our masjid, we started the actual salaat just under 1/2 an hour after the appointed time. The dua, after salaat khutba etc. just lasted for about 20 minutes or so after that. So we got everything done in less than an hour.

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It is very inconsiderate of some Imams who dont realize that not everyone is comfortable. In my masjid that is not really the case since everyone is in AC and even then the whole thing lasted about 40 minutes.

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Yes it is obligatory but that does not mean that imam sahab keeps on going for the whole day .. he should have decency to cut it short

rasool Allah cut short the prayers that he was leading when he heard the kids crsying in the back row. Imam sahab kiya rasool allah se bhe behtar hain (naazoo billah)

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**^ is not obligatory.

**Listening to the Eid Khutbah is not wajib- Abdullah bin as-Sa’ib (radhi allahu anhu) reported that he attended the Eid prayer with the Prophet (sallallahu alaihi wa-sallam); and when he (sallallahu alaihi wa-sallam) finished the prayer, he said: “We shall have a Khutbah; so let whoever wishes to sit for the Khutbah do so, and whoever wishes to leave, may leave.” (saheeh) Abu Dawood)]

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I'm sure the Prophet wouldn't have had women and children out in the heat, while the men sat inside an air conditioned mosque.

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Sounds pretty messed up all around.

No one has said anything? this impacts both men and women, I mean who wants to be chillin in the a/c while your wife/sis/mother is out in some tent?

Sounds pretty ghetto to me.

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part of Khutba has to eb in arabic and is part of the eid salaat and that part of the Khutba must be quietly listened to, even if u don't understand it coz its part of the namaaz [just like we don't understand namaaz itself.] thats one good reason that we must learn arabic so we know what we are uttering. same thing on Jum'a. Khutba is part of namaaz and thats why we do 2 rakats only for jum'a instead of 4 rak'ats we wud have said for zujr. it is said that the Khutba compensates for 2 rak'ats of zuhr.

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i am sorry PCG

as for me.... i would NEVER EVER miss eid namaz...come on thats the fun part...

namaz starts @ 10 SHARP.... even if only 2 ppl show up .... our imaam doesnt wait.... mayb few minutes but thats it...
we rent two banquet halls cause we dont have a mosque yet....
Khutbah is always short and after that kids get their eidi for finishing Quran in Ramadan.... after that we have refreshment ..... the whole thing take two hours max...

as CP suggested.... i think its a gud idea if you appoint some lady to talk to imaam or whoever is incharge of these things to sort it out....

Alhumdolilah our jammat is very well structured...and we dont have to deal with such issues....

i hope u guys sort it out soon and by nxt eid u guys r not outside in cold doing eid namaz :)

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Salam bro,

First, let me ask, are you following the hanbali madhab?

The hadith you are quoting, in fact the site you are quoting, most salafis follow this, why? Because it’s convenient for them. The site also mentions that if Eid falls on a Friday, the Jumaah salaat is not obligatory.. That was the view of Imam Ahmad. BUT keep this in mind, Imam Ahmad was a scholar, a scientist, he understood deen more than we as a group ever will. On this point, scholars mention that the time of Prophet (pbuh), the villagers and people from out of city used to come for Eid prayer, that is why the Prophet(pbuh) used to say to THOSE people tha if you wish you can leave or stay and listen to the khutbah. Same thing for the hadith about jummah coinciding with eid day, since it is not wajib on the villagers …he prophet(pbuh) said if you wish to leave, then leave, jummah is not wajib on you..

also

Usman (radiallanhu) said..
‘Whomsoever from amongst the villagers wishes to wait for Jummu’ah, then he may do so and whomsoever wishes to return then I have granted him permission.’ (Muwatta pg.165)

Anyways, the point is, if we start picking and choosing from our deen, then we will no diffrent than those christians and jews who took what they liked, what they found convinient…and what happened? They have lost touch with Allah and His deen!!

Bro, this last bit was not directed at you but to myself first and to the rest of brothers n sisters..

The Hi/Bye Thread
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:salam:

Nice point but not clearly driven though. I think its not about taking bits and pieces of religion but rather using a ruqsah when you have no need for it (or are not genuinely in a situation where it is justified) and then justifying our lack of passion for deen as something we are allowed to do.

Many of us tend to remove all the conditions with the allowances we have been granted in our deen and take those allowances as universal or unconditional.

I agree with what you intend to say. Good point.

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I am just a plain Muslim. Just last year someone told me that I might be hanafi. Who knows and who cares.

All I know is that if you follow one or the other you might be missing out on certain things. So I follow Quran and Hadith and what seems right at the accordingly but at the same time is not strictly prohibited.

I would rather go for Jumma even if I didnt make it to the eid prayer. Not picking and choosing here..but rather being on the safe side.

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Incidents such as these are what cast such a pathetic light on muslims. The women of that masjid should boycott social functions and operations until the men realize the status of women in their community. The Imam also needs severely scolded for his actions and influential community members should ensure this does not happen again.

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Sad thing is no one cares anymore. The women literally get up in the middle of his speech, and just act like its all over. And then you'll hear him on the mic occasionally asking the women to please calm it down.

What frustrated me, is when this guy got on the ladies' cases about the talking and children crying during namaaz.

If you're going to ramble on for 1 hr in arabic so no one gets you, or in Urdu, and you have lots of people who don't speak either language, then yeah, people are going to stop listening. And as for kids crying - that's atrocious. They should still bring their babies to the masjid, so they can grow up in the environment - then we complain about how adolescents and young adults never go to the masjid. Well we never encouraged them to come when they were babies. So they never got into the spirit of it.

As a result, a lot of women stopped coming during taraweeh, and that certainly never hurt the Imam or the Board of Trustees Uncle and Co., so who loses from this really?

I think they have one lady who they communicate with as she is the wife of one of the Uncles, and so she gets to transmit information to us. Its such BS because all of these pakistanis have mixed gender gatherings at their home, so its not like they can't approach us and speak to any of us in or around the masjid. They have us segmented off with a full curtain, so how are we to even raise our hand and voice a concern during their jummah town hall type meetings? I hear the guys raising their hands and telling the Imam this or that - the girls don't have this opportunity.

Its such BS. All the mosques around here are like this.

We need to start a mosque that is run by younger more sane and Americanized people, and actually do things right.

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Question: What's the point of a khutba in any language if those addressed don't understand it? You have to recite the opening portion and khutba-e-saaniya in arabic but the rest can be in a language that most of the congregation can understand. Otherwise it's bhains kay aagay been bajaana and of course people would get bored very quickly.