Re: Our Saudi Vendetta!?!?!
Who's defending? We're just tryina show you the other side of the coin but apparently we're all whiny and wasting your time.
I hope you find US/UK/EU as pathetic for their role in the MASSIVE destruction and death toll that the war has caused! There are MANY extremists in not just KSA but all over the world in every religion. I don't see anyone starting a thread to condemn that? I guess we're too busy googling the saudi terrorists.
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Haww don’t get personal. :o
See the thing is, as long as people condemn the act no matter WHO does it, I’m happy with that. But we mostly get our knickers in a twist when the arabs OR the Indians do it. This is the hypocrisy among posters here that I dislike. For example, sharaab/gambling/prostitution is very common in Pakistan now. But I’ve never seen a Pakistani create a thread condemning this. Whereas I’ve had to move a ghattiya video of an arab in a nightclub twice from the video gallery! 
We mainly target arabs and Indians and I’ll always be against that.
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So you think Saudi Arabia is the root cause of the situation in Pakistan? What absolute gob****e. It is a well known fact that Pakistan and US collaborated to encourage the extremist/Jihadist ideology in the 80s. It is also a known fact that Pakistan sponsors Jihadist organisations in Kashmir.
Before 9/11, Pakistan was one of the major allies of the Taliban and when Musharraf took the decision to turn against them, the chickens came home to roost. WE created the monster we now have to fight ourselves. Don’t pin this on Osama Bin Laden, this guy and his ilk were created and openly supported by Pakistan/US in the fight against the Soviets. The Saudis did not drag us into this fight, years of breeding extremism and Musharraf’s policies landed us in this quagmire. Saudis don’t fund the Taliban, we do. Obviously we still haven’t learned our lesson: How Pakistan Helps the Taliban - Newsweek
Arabs may have carried out 9/11, but how the bloody hell can you blame Saudi Arabia for what followed? There was nothing they could do about an ignorant redneck who was obviously looking for an excuse to wage a war on Islam. OUR lapdog leaders signed up for that war and gave it their full support. As always, Pakistanis like you just need someone else to blame for our troubles, so you make it a war ‘their people started’ and blame them for enjoying the oil revenues. Really gobsmacking logic that. If anything, your beef should be with the Americans and Musharraf.
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Saudis provided the money, Americans provided the weapons, and Pakistan facilitates the show. Hear Hillary Clinton say it all while testifying before the US Congress.
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Your quote appeared that you are angry at the whole nation of Saudia.
Im sure there are wonderful Saudi nationals. Im referring to there govt, there clerics and a certain segment of their population that chooses to spend its money on funding for terrorist organizations.
You misinterpreted my quote. No worries, thats why im here to clear your misunderstanding.
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Boy your just full of it.
Firstly, im referring to the current situation. This war on terror. Pakistan was fairly stable, despite its suport for the freedom movement in Kashmir. The War on terror brought the situation to a boil.
Saudi ARE the root cause of the situation in Pakistan. The war in Afghanistan was forced on the US by actions of terrorists that belonged Saudi Arabia! The terrorists that attacked the US did so on the Behest of Osama Bin Ladens Al Qaeda. Osama Bin Ladens main issue is with the Saudi Govt, which allowed the US occupy bases in the Kingdom.
So essentially, this war being played out on Pakistani and Afghani soil, has its roots in Saudia Arabia.
I never said Pakistan was innocent. But this war did NOT start in Pakistan. Its started due to the policies of the Saudis, and their extremists fighting their war on Pak and Afghan soil.
And so while Pakistanis are dying, Saudi lap dogs like you run around in circles supporting them, even while throwing your own country (Pakistan) under the bus.
You pretty much go to any extent to show loyalty to your masters. Now heel boy.
And yes the SAUDIS doooooooo finance the Taliban.
"The United States has determined that Saudi Arabia continues to be the leading source of funding to Al Qaida and is also the top financial backer of Taliban. "
^Do some reading, you could use the education.
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What a load of BLATANT and utter stupidity.
The Arabs started it but werent reposible for what followed! 
Are you kidding me?!?!?
If I slap you across the face, I guess im not responsible for the fight that ensues either! By your logic, someone could spit in your face, and yet you would be the one responsible for responding!
And Bush was just looking for a fight against Islam? Where is your proof?
I think what the US was responding too was a blatant act of terrorism in which 3000 innocent civilians died! Its disgusting that you would belittle the loss of so many lives! How pathetic. 
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I also openly condemn those things in Pakistan. But you see, the reason there is no thread on that, is because those things dont effect anyone but the person doing it. This issue is one that does affect Pakistan and Muslims in general.
I find it far more appaling that you would ignore the content of the debate, and turn this into just another Arab bashing thread. I dont need to bash anyone unless its for a reason. I seegest that before commenting, you actually read what im critsizing instead of assuming im simply attacking for the sake of attacking.
The problem with people like you is, that you assume that people like the Saudis are demi gods who should not and cannot be critisized.
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MEd we also dont need those people who spread the Islam followed by Abdullah bin Ubai and his followers now knows as so called seculars and champions of humanity
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and prove Wahabi Ideology wrong throgh Quran and Sunnat if you cant than shut your mouth because we dont slaves of west to teach us Islam
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and prove Wahabi Ideology wrong throgh Quran and Sunnat if you cant than shut your mouth because we dont slaves of west to teach us Islam
Dude, seriously. I have no interest in debating someone with the mental capacity of a walnut.
To me my Islam, and to you yours.
Allah Hafiz.
Re: Our Saudi Vendetta!?!?!
Who's defending? We're just tryina show you the other side of the coin but apparently we're all whiny and wasting your time.
I hope you find US/UK/EU as pathetic for their role in the MASSIVE destruction and death toll that the war has caused! There are MANY extremists in not just KSA but all over the world in every religion. I don't see anyone starting a thread to condemn that? I guess we're too busy googling the saudi terrorists.
No... When did I ever accuse YOU of wining? There is someone however who does wine and I was refering to them.. I wasnt speaking to YOU as far as I can tell.
When we discuss the role of the US/UK/EU then we can discuss them. But this thread was opened to discuss the Saudis and our apparent "vendetta," which infact, was recommended by another poster who suggested we open a separate thread to discuss our apparent vendetta.
So you can attack me all you like, but you dont even understand the context of this debate, nor do you even know anything about me or my beliefs. But despite your ignorance, you read one post, and decide to throw me under the bus.
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Im sure there are wonderful Saudi nationals. Im referring to there govt, there clerics and a certain segment of their population that chooses to spend its money on funding for terrorist organizations.
You misinterpreted my quote. No worries, thats why im here to clear your misunderstanding.
Wrong, Saudis in general are racist towards subcontinent people, but Saudi government has been a friend of Pakistan.
There is no shred of evidence that Saudi government has anything to do with terroism in Pakistan.
There are people who oppose Saudis due to their iranian propagated sectarianism.
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I dont think the Saudis are openly hostile towards Pakistan either. However, there influence has been a negative one, intentional or not. Their policies have a good deal to do with the situation we find ourselves today. Its an open secret that Saudis fund extremist Madrassas in Pakistan among other places. This according to a well known scholar on Fundamentalism and extremism among Muslims, Vali Nasr:
“All of these groups are rooted in a network of seminaries, or as the term is called in the local vernacular, “madrassa.” My argument was that the main source of funding for these groups is Saudi Arabia. In fact, this whole phenomenon that we are confronting, which Al Qaeda is a part of, is very closely associated with Saudi Arabia’s financial and religious projects for the Muslim world as a whole. …”
“Those interpretations of Islam are being propagated out of schools that receive organizational and financial funding from Saudi Arabia. In fact, I would push it further: that these schools would not have existed without Saudi funding. They would not have proliferated across Pakistan and India and Afghanistan without Saudi funding. They would not have had the kind of prowess that they have without Saudi funding, and they would not have trained as many people without Saudi funding.”
And there are many things we can rightfully criticize them for.
At the very least, they are guilty of complacency in cracking down on those Saudis that finance terrorist organizations such as the TTP among others.
I dont think all Arabs, or all Saudis are racist however. Although I wouldnt put it past them to be.
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I also openly condemn those things in Pakistan. But you see, the reason there is no thread on that, is because those things dont effect anyone but the person doing it. This issue is one that does affect Pakistan and Muslims in general.
I find it far more appaling that you would ignore the content of the debate, and turn this into just another Arab bashing thread. I dont need to bash anyone unless its for a reason. I seegest that before commenting, you actually read what im critsizing instead of assuming im simply attacking for the sake of attacking.
The problem with people like you is, that you assume that people like the Saudis are demi gods who should not and cannot be critisized.
huh?!
And the problem with people like you is that you can't listen to the other person without accusing them of one thing or the other!
Med, dude, I have lived in KSA and I'm still very much in touch with my friends from over there. I myself have seen some jerks driving by, hanging out of the car just to poke the ladies walking on the footpath! My friends have told me plenty of stories of how bad-dimagh saudis can be. The other day, a friend showed me a video that he recorded himself of the religious police who were literally involved in hatha paayi with a bunch of students for dancing to music in the middle of the road! They don't have many nice things to say about the government either, with regards to their attitude towards non-nationals. But there's a reason why they have lived in KSA all their lives and don't plan on moving any time soon. So I've seen both sides - the good and the bad - and I condemn the bad and acknowledge the good and I certainly don't blame any other country for Pakistan's problems but Pakistan itself!
And no, I'm not attacking you. Sorry if I came across like that. I was referring to the general attitude of posters here after reading the entire thread. I was off-topic only after reading some of the racist comments here. You can carry on discussing what you want to discuss. Cheers!
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Vali Nasr is very much in agreement and proponent of what Iran has been doing all along in muslims countries. Funding and encouraging shiite minorities to start conflict with sunni majorities. I write him…
As for Madrassa funding, it happened largely during Afghan war, much less now. During Afghan war it was Pakistani establishment themselves who asked for Saudi sponsoship of these elements. Bhutto hardly religious by any stretch of imagination was first one to bring Himat Yar from Afghanistan and establish his contacts with Saudis.
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For all you Saudi backers, I suggest you guys read the book "Sleeping with the Devil". You'll find that the faults and hypocrisy of the Saudi monarchy are greater than you thought.
Also, I don't understand why people keep mentioning that they lived in KSA like that makes them some sort of expert on the Saudis. I lived in Saudi Arabia, along with the rest of my family, and I am highly critical of the ruling monarchy. There are millions of people living in Saudi Arabia right now, both Arab and non-Arab, that hate the monarchy.
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^ Isn't that what I said? That those living in KSA right now aren't fans of those things either? o_O
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^ Isn't that what I said? That those living in KSA right now aren't fans of those things either? o_O
That comment wasn't directed at you, I apologize if it seemed that way, however there are some folks here who are giving off the impression that only they have the right to have an opinion on Saudi Arabia since they live/lived there.
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No matter how hard I try, I fail to understand the thread Header ! " OUR SAUDI VENDETTA "
How do you begin to respond to some thing which can be 'Personal' or 'Open ended'
I take it as 'Open ended cum personal vendetta of the author (Who is on my ignore list and I can not see his posts etc)
As soon as I shed my thoughts on ^ his personal vendetta and what not, my post is deleted as hostile !
I repeatedly have been saying this and I'l say this again! Unlike Pakistan Saudi Arabia which is and old monarchy and the roots go back way back into our Deeni Conceptional past !
I trust their wisdom more than I can trust any modern time 'Molana' 'Mufti' 'Author' 'Alam-e-deen', and for one simple reason whereas Pakistanis are becoming more influenced by these 'Authors+Alim-e-deen' on day-to-day matters of life that makes confusion an ordinary glitch of the soul. It is quite evident and can be seen,,,
Modern/young and rudderless Saudis are found in every society and as such they cannot and should not be the gauge of standards !