I don’t think we Pakistanis are in a state to point fingers at others and say* Ha! You’re not following the rules of Islam*! Are we? Is the Islamic Republic of Pakistan? The royals waste money, do they? Our own elected politicians were partying hard in 5 star hotels abroad when the country was in the worst possible state and KSA is one of the nations that actually bothered donating large sums. But we Pakistanis proudly claim we wouldn’t give a dime if KSA went up in flames. Nice.
As Sajania said, we are not supporting the retarded things that go on in KSA. But we are also not being retarded ourselves and simply hating on anything and everything to do with the arab world! Gosh, so much hatred some of ye have!
Pehle apna ghar tau theek karo baad mein parosi k ghar jhaank k hus lena.
Med taking building has nothing to do with Arab its the duty of goverment and I am really very sorry mostly its the corrupt goverments of Non Arab Countries which are responsible for it and for past many decades you are surviving on Saudi Arabia Aid most of even public dont know
I never said Saudis are beyond criticism. I have already mentioned that Saudis can be among the most racist and discriminating people. However you are unwilling to accept that any Saudi at any point of time has ever done any good for Islam (I guess facilitating the pilgrimages of millions of people doesn't count).
Facilitating the Pilgrims is not a courtesy, its a responsibility.
and they have established many mosques in non muslim countries because of which many Non Muslims have come towards Islam that is another great service they have done yes sir they have been Partners in America butt they havent any of their own people to America America was only able to arrest those saudis which were in different countries
Actually, Hajj is a souring business for Saudis. They have turned it into a business opportunity. Saudi sycophants in Pakistan are so much blinded by Saudi radical Islam that they can not see through the lie that “khadim e harmain” propagates. It’s all business, man. It’s all business.
**How the hajj has become big business for Saudi Arabia
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According to Madinah Chamber of Commerce and Industry, Hajj and Umrah combined, annually generates more than SR30 billion with some sources estimating around SR35 billion or $9.3 billion of total economic benefit to Saudi Arabia. To put in some perspective, $9.3 billion or 2% of Saudi Arabia’s total gross domestic product (GDP) of $470 billion may not appear very meaningful to the Saudi economy but it essentially contributes 20% of country’s non-oil GDP. Note that while oil fluctuations may significantly impact overall Saudi government revenue, religious tourism for the most part remains fairly predictable and consistent; thereby further adding to its significance from an economic standpoint. Another way to look at the Hajj opportunity is that the Saudi economy benefits by roughly $3,000 in annual revenues for every pilgrim performing the Hajj or Umrah.
Saudi Arabia’s annual revenue from organizing pilgrimage to Islamic holy places tops $30 billion, an Arab newspaper reported on Sunday.
Saudi Arabia’s revenues from pilgrimage to Islamic holy places account for about 7% of the country’s gross domestic product, Gulf News said.
the Saudi national airline, Saudi Arabian Airlines, generates 12% of its income from the pilgrimage. Fares paid by pilgrims to reach Mecca by land also generate income; as do the hotels and lodging companies that house them
and for past many decades you are surviving on Saudi Arabia Aid most of even public dont know
In fact for past many decades Pakistan is being DESTROYED by Saudi aid given to radicals all over the country (and around the world).
Saudi was one of the three countries in the world to recognize the anti-Islam khariji government of Taliban.
But we Pakistanis have every right to criticize and condemn all those who are responsible for destruction of Islamic historic sites. What Saudi Nejadis are doing to Hejaz is comparable to Israeli Zionists in Palestine.
and they have established many mosques in non muslim countries because of which many Non Muslims have come towards Islam that is another great service they have done yes sir they have been Partners in America butt they havent any of their own people to America America was only able to arrest those saudis which were in different countries
mosques that spread wahabi extremist ideology. We dont need those mosques.
I never said Saudis are beyond criticism. I have already mentioned that Saudis can be among the most racist and discriminating people. However you are unwilling to accept that any Saudi at any point of time has ever done any good for Islam (I guess facilitating the pilgrimages of millions of people doesn't count).
I didmt accuse all saudis. I accuse them in context of this project, their general attitude, and their extremist idology which has created nothing but terrorism, for which we in pakistan have to pay for.
The Hajj is a gigantic money making endeavor. All visits to the holy place have to take place under the auspices of a Saudi institution or company, which is totally Saudi-owned. Every opportunity is geared towards profit maximization. The Saudi companies in turn enter into agreements with parties in the local country where the pilgrim resides. The Saudi company takes care of the negotiation with the local hotels and other parties to organize and pay for the accommodations and internal transportation and the like. Saudis have profited greatly from the pilgrims who have been exploited on a scale that is beyond imagination. A two week visit to Saudi Arabia during the Hajj period (if you are not sponsored) in modest accommodations costs more than a month-long world tour (not counting the fact that for five days during the two week period, the pilgrim is staying in a tent).
Thats totally wrong. Hajj actually costs much less than a 2 week trip to London let alone a month long world tour. A 5star hotel room right next to Haram costs less than a 3 star hotel room in central london.
I didmt accuse all saudis. I accuse them in context of this project, their general attitude, and their extremist idology which has created nothing but terrorism, for which we in pakistan have to pay for.
Clearly you feel that the TTP is being funded by the Saudis to carry out attacks in Pakistan. LOL.
We have tried being rational in this thread but it seems that some people just cant look past their blind hatred for saudis. If you're so bitter about Saudis treating Makkah like 'Zionists', go do something about it instead of ranting on the internet. That obviously won't happen so you just have suck it up and accept things the way they are.
… Let me see how long you guys can keep trying to talk sense into someone…who is basically talking about his religioius obligation…to abuse/degrade/oppose anything which remotely relates to the opposite ‘sect’…
i went to Madina and all i can say is WOW.
the people are so humble and warm. i lost my wallet and naturally you begin to worry. this saudi old man spoke to my by means of pointing and actions and asked whats wrong. i displayed to him that i had lost my wallet. bless his leather socks he spoke to various wardens and found my wallet which was handed in to cleaner. i said thank you and the only way i knew how was to say "Shukran". by this time my friend came and he is fluent in arabic. i asked him to ask this man about him and my friend told me that this man is poor etc. without thinking i offered him some money for his troubles. his response was "La" (No) he said if you are going to give money, give it to a poor on the street or a widow with children. his home is masjid e nabvi and if i wished to help him, for me to do dua for him atleast once after fajr namaz. mashallah. THATS what you call a humble experience, one i will never forget in my entire life.
The problem here is that unfortunately, you haven’t the IQ to carry on a reasonable debate so you turn into a winy 5 year old to cover up your insecurity.
Clearly you feel that the TTP is being funded by the Saudis to carry out attacks in Pakistan. LOL.
We have tried being rational in this thread but it seems that some people just cant look past their blind hatred for saudis. If you're so bitter about Saudis treating Makkah like 'Zionists', go do something about it instead of ranting on the internet. That obviously won't happen so you just have suck it up and accept things the way they are.
And to educate you because you obviously cant figure this out.
Most of the people involved in 9/11 were Saudis.
Pakistan is paying for an act committed by terrorists from the Saudi Arabia. No Pakistanis were involved in 9/11, but we suffer the fall out of a war started by Saudi extremists.
Osama Bin Ladens problem with the US is due to the US presence in Saudi Arabia, since the Iraqi Invasion of Kuwait. This supposed occupation was at the behest of the Saudis themselves. Ultimately, where is this war over Americas presence in Saudia Arabi being fought? In Pakistan and Afghnistan.
So Saudi is very much an exporter of extremism.
And while PAKISTANIS suffer, the SAUDIS enjoy their oil profits. We die for a war their people started. And certain morons who will remain un-named, support them... How pathetic.
And to educate you because you obviously cant figure this out.
Most of the people involved in 9/11 were Saudis.
Pakistan is paying for an act commited by terrorists from the Saudi Arabia. No Pakistanis were involved in 9/11, but we suffer the fall out of a war started Saudi extremists.
Osama Bin Ladens problem with the US is due to the US presence in Saudi Arabia, since the Iraqi Invasion of Kuwait. This supposed occupation was at the behest of the Saudis. Ultimately, where is this war over Americas presence in Saudia Arabi being faught? n Pakistan and Afghnistan.
So Saudi very much an exporter of extremism.
And while PAKISTANIS suffer, the SAUDIS enjoy their oil profits while we die for a war their people started. And certain mrorons who will remain un named, support them...
That is a weak argument Med. Just because few of 19 hijackers were saudis does not make Saudia a bad nation. Pakistan suffered because of bad foreign policies and lack of law and order and the existence of training camps on pakistani soil, not because how many Pakistanis were involved in hijacking
That is a weak argument Med. Just because few of 19 hijackers were saudis does not make Saudia a bad nation. Pakistan suffered because of bad foreign policies and lack of law and order and the existence of training camps on pakistani soil, not because how many Pakistanis were involved in hijacking
I never said the entire nation is bad. Dont put words in my mouth. But there is no denying that there are MANY extremists in Saudia Arabia. Its sad that Pakistanis die for a war started by SAUDI EXTREMISTS.
There is also no denying that many the SAUDI quarters DO finance many extremist organizations including the TTP. But they get away with this because they have oil and money to throw around.
I just think its pathetic that these people are falling over each other defending these people. I can understand you defend them when they are in the right, but these people support them regardless. Its pathetic.
And yes I know Pakistans own policies are a problem. But do you deny that this war on terror was started by SAUDI extremists? Do you deny that ultimately, Osama Bin ladens main beef is with the Saudi govt? This war for which Pakistanis are dying, really did start in Saudi Arabia. If it werent for the Saudis and their own policies, we wouldnt have an Osama Bin Laden, and we wouldnt have a had a 9/11. And we certainly wouldnt be having this war.
… Let me see how long you guys can keep trying to talk sense into someone…who is basically talking about his religioius obligation…to abuse/degrade/oppose anything which remotely relates to the opposite ‘sect’…