Re: Our Saudi Vendetta!?!?!
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Hearing from ^ my countrymen Pakistanis as to How People of Saudi Arabia should conduct their affairs is not only laughable but ' Sharam-naak hypocrisy
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Those cities belong to all Muslims around the world, not just Saudis. So every Muslim has the right to talk about them.
No Pakistani is saying how Saudis should conduct their affairs. They can do whatever they want. But Islam's holy sites is not just another Saudi affair.
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This is one Pandora Box of an argument you don’t wish to open, I’m sure ! 
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Mod deleted my post with valid point since the thread header uses the word 'Vendetta' which opens the window for 'Personal grudge with some one or evidential matter provided to make it specific' to prove his/her point. We at GS are not stupid to let such stirring crap to go unnoticed since 2002 and before. I'm not very happy with your scanning skills Mr. MOD perhaps you may need an extra tutorial . "sigh"
Actually it was you who suggested this title for the thread. I just followed your lead.
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Khoji has a valid point. Its not a Pandoras box of anything. Its a simple fact that nothing in Islam supoprts the belief that Mecca and Medina are the sole property of the Saudis to do with as they like.
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Firstly correct your title. Its your vendetta against the Saudis. Not "ours". Some of us believe in rational and logical thinking. Secondly a valid criticism of the Saudi's in general. They are society based on racism and with an unnatural opinion of their own superiority.
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Firstly correct your title. Its your vendetta against the Saudis. Not "ours". Some of us believe in rational and logical thinking. Secondly a valid criticism of the Saudi's in general. They are society based on racism and with an unnatural opinion of their own superiority.
Ummm No. If you go on the internet, there are MANY people with a bone to pick with the way the Saudis behave towards holy sites.
So im not the only one. I wouldnt call it a vendetta as that implies im simply attacking them for the sake of attacking them, hence the QUESTION MARK in the title.
Im just making the point that those who critiszie the Saudis do so because they have valid concerns. The problem is with people like you who dismiss such concerns, and defend the Saudis in all their wrongs.
This I think is a very dangerous mentality you have. Its this sort of permissive and docile behavior that allows people like the Saudis to get away with the nonsense they claim to do in the name of our religion.
As for the racism and superiority, perhaps, but that their business. I could care less what they think of themselves as long as what they believe of themselves does not compromise what the rest of us hold to be sacred.
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Ummm No. If you go on the internet, there are MANY people with a bone to pick with the way the Saudis behave towards holy sites.
So im not the only one. I wouldnt call it a vendetta as that implies im simply attacking them for the sake of attacking them, hence the QUESTION MARK in the title.
Im just making the point that those who critiszie the Saudis do so because they have valid concerns. The problem is with people like you who dismiss such concerns, and defend the Saudis in all their wrongs.
This I think is a very dangerous mentality you have. Its this sort of permissive and docile behavior that allows people like the Saudis to get away with the nonsense they claim to do in the name of our religion.
Thanks for proving my point. I agree with you and the article and you still accuse me of dismissing your concerns.
You should seek the man in the mirror.
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Thanks for proving my point. I agree with you and the article and you still accuse me of dismissing your concerns.
You should seek the man in the mirror.
Well, you did dismiss concerns over this gaudy Big ben monstrosity.. So seems you have dismissed something here.
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That was weak. Be a man. Accept you made a presumptuous judgment without even reading the post.
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Ummm No. If you go on the internet, there are MANY people with a bone to pick with the way the Saudis behave towards holy sites.
Seriously? Because I meet many people who go for Umrah or Hajj from Pakistan and criticising the Saudis' behaviour towards the holy sites is the last thing on anyone's mind, most are just happy they achieved what they went there for. The skyscrapers and the shopping centres do not deter or inconvenience anyone from doing what they set out to do. You have beef with the Saudis for building a clock tower but you won't recognise all the good work that's gone into building the infrastructure of the cities and the holy mosques.
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In a way im glad God picked this filty oil - rich country to house makkah and medina. Look at the facilities! If Makkah was in Pakistan, I don't think they would be able to maintain it like the saudis are doing. Imagine that! And you complain about the hotels and things, well its business isn't it? We're not freaking communists that everyone is going to live in the exact same room eat the same food etc. But we all have to do the same rituals at the end of the day. Im sure during old days, the richer people could afford a more pleasent journey on a fancy horse, whilst the poor people had to walk it. LOL. I'm sure a rich paki from england could have a great room rather than an average saudi, its more to do with money than nationality.
And as for the rail service yeah it's only a trial at the moment, they are only testing so of course they will offer to a limited number of hajis, and it makes it less complicated to pick certain nationalities to use it. Ok fine it's a tad racist, but not as much as you make it out. Just like in the prophet's mosque when we are grouped into nationalities to see his tomb. I heard they are going to offer it to all the hajis anyway when its up and running - so what's the problem? Poorer people won't be able to afford it? Well that's the way it is when you are poor you cant afford luxuries. And as for the way makkah is run, well it is kind of saudi's business isn't it, after they are the host country. Fine they are racist and have a superior complex but i dont think after you've done haj you;d be too bothered about that.
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And also you make it out saudis are the only ones having business there. Have you seen that Huge lit up Pakistani flag (on some hotel) as soon as you come into medina? everyone left there mark in the holy places and its not necessarily a bad thing. You make it out as if they build hooters there or something.
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Seriously? Because I meet many people who go for Umrah or Hajj from Pakistan and criticising the Saudis' behaviour towards the holy sites is the last thing on anyone's mind, most are just happy they achieved what they went there for. The skyscrapers and the shopping centres do not deter or inconvenience anyone from doing what they set out to do. You have beef with the Saudis for building a clock tower but you won't recognise all the good work that's gone into building the infrastructure of the cities and the holy mosques.
Seriously? So you really think there is no one who have aproblem with the Saudis? Not everyone worships them the way you do you know. Muslim that are capable of independent thought would all have much to critisize them for.
You for some reason have sold your soul to the Saudis. You seriously think they are beyond criticsm? Isnt worshiping SAUDIS Shirk?
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In a way im glad God picked this filty oil - rich country to house makkah and medina. Look at the facilities! If Makkah was in Pakistan, I don't think they would be able to maintain it like the saudis are doing. Imagine that! And you complain about the hotels and things, well its business isn't it? We're not freaking communists that everyone is going to live in the exact same room eat the same food etc. But we all have to do the same rituals at the end of the day. Im sure during old days, the richer people could afford a more pleasent journey on a fancy horse, whilst the poor people had to walk it. LOL. I'm sure a rich paki from england could have a great room rather than an average saudi, its more to do with money than nationality.
And as for the rail service yeah it's only a trial at the moment, they are only testing so of course they will offer to a limited number of hajis, and it makes it less complicated to pick certain nationalities to use it. Ok fine it's a tad racist, but not as much as you make it out. Just like in the prophet's mosque when we are grouped into nationalities to see his tomb. I heard they are going to offer it to all the hajis anyway when its up and running - so what's the problem? Poorer people won't be able to afford it? Well that's the way it is when you are poor you cant afford luxuries. And as for the way makkah is run, well it is kind of saudi's business isn't it, after they are the host country. Fine they are racist and have a superior complex but i dont think after you've done haj you;d be too bothered about that.
Ok... Its a tad racist? How very forgiving of you.
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And also you make it out saudis are the only ones having business there. Have you seen that Huge lit up Pakistani flag (on some hotel) as soon as you come into medina? everyone left there mark in the holy places and its not necessarily a bad thing. You make it out as if they build hooters there or something.
We are only asking for the Saudis to recognize that Mecca is not their property, and to show more sensativity towards building there.
You dont have to support eveything these Arabs do you know. They arent Gods, they are Human. You dont have to defend them. They dont like you nearly as much as you like them, that I can guarantee.
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Saudi Arabia exports extremism and for that reason I have no real love for the Arabs. Naturally, I care about Mecca and Medina but couldn't care less if the rest KSA went up in flames.
That was then. Now, they outsourced the job to Pakistan. LOL....
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Seriously? So you really think there is no one who have aproblem with the Saudis? Not everyone worships them the way you do you know. Muslim that are capable of independent thought would all have much to critisize them for. You for some reason have sold your soul to the Saudis. You seriously think they are beyond criticsm? Isnt worshiping SAUDIS Shirk?
I never said Saudis are beyond criticism. I have already mentioned that Saudis can be among the most racist and discriminating people. However you are unwilling to accept that any Saudi at any point of time has ever done any good for Islam (I guess facilitating the pilgrimages of millions of people doesn't count).
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That;s right mecca isn’t just there property, if you go round there you’ll be many buildings that cater to the needs of many kinds of people. But you make it out like the saudis are the only ones who are contributing to the mass infrastructure there. There are foreign expertise involved for example by turkish and pakistani engineers. The fancy hotels and apartments you see sure they were invested by foreigners overseas (UK etc). In medina, there are some nice areas and businesses propogated by pakistanis, again i cant forget the beautiful site of the huge lit up pakistani flag as soon as you go into medina, really I should have took a picture. The Saudis wont be able to spark all this innovation on their own, they will need outside help. Again, it’s not like they are building casinos there that they are bringing vice to the city.
Well I am supporting the infrastructure projects in mecca (even that mecca clock tower), but doesn’t mean that I support everthing the saudi arabians do, why are you giving them all the credit? And sure they can be racist people, (heck I’ve experienced it myself but I wont be going round painting everyone with the same brush) that’s something I will critisise but I won;t critise everything they do like you are doing. Really you have so much hate for Arabs and I’ve seen it alot with some pakistanis. They complain that arabs are being racist to them but really the stereotypes and predujices they hold are not much better. Remember an arab is no better than an non-arab but you need to remember a non-arab is no better than an arab.
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You're an idiot of the highest class. You seriously need a lesson in Islam. What you have wrote is pure garbage and quite contrary to Islamic beliefs and general consensus amongst Muslims. Someone of your extremely low level of knowledge on Hajj shouldn't participate in such threads because your story/post is sickening.
That's really rich, I'm sure the Prophet didn't go round condoning his followers in calling other muslims idiots. Really what beliefs was I imposing. I wasn't talking about any rulings and giving my own fatwa. I was just stating mere observations. Why doesn't a judgemental person like you go one step further and say I shouldn't participate in Haj at all? Makes you feel like a better muslim does it? Really you shouldn;t get your bloody knickers in a twist.
I;d love to see what hotel room you'd be booking when you go on Haj (or what you booked if you've already been), obviously its going to be a reflection on your income isn't it? Your not going to get a really really basic tiny room with a communal bathroom when you can afford an en suite?
Please enlighten me, how did my post reflect on my knowledge of haj? Now give constructive feedback to your fellow muslim - that's a lesson for you.
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Quoted for truth. Thanks for sharing that link :k: