Assalamualikum,
dear anlyse it,
now i will clear your doubts about surah al fatiha.
prayer is the heart of relegion and faith but how shall we pray? what words shall convey the yearnings of our miserable ignorant hearts to the Knower of all?
The inspired one taught us the prayer that sums up our faith, our hope and our aspirations in things that matter. we think in devotion of Allah's name and His nature; we praise Him for His creation and cherishing care; we call to mind the realities, seen and unseen; we offer Him worship and ask His guidance.
Allah needs no praise, for He is above all praise; He needs no petition, for He knows our need better than we do ourselves; and His bounties are open without asking, to the righteous and the sinner alike. the prayer is primarily for our own spiritual education, consolation and confirmation.
That is why the words in this surah are given to us in the form in which we should utter them.
This Axiom has really obliged me. Now I do find scientific nature in Quran.
VIII/12: When thy Lord inspired the angels (saying:) I am with you. So make those who believe stand firm. I will throw fear into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Then smite the necks and smite of them each finger.
His people understood 1400 year back that the best way kill a person is to ‘smite his neck’, and the scientists of fascist origin could invent this secrete only in 20th century. Great!
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Assalamualikum,
dear anlyse it,
now i will clear your doubts about surah al fatiha.
prayer is the heart of relegion and faith but how shall we pray? what words shall convey the yearnings of our miserable ignorant hearts to the Knower of all?
The inspired one taught us the prayer that sums up our faith, our hope and our aspirations in things that matter. we think in devotion of Allah's name and His nature; we praise Him for His creation and cherishing care; we call to mind the realities, seen and unseen; we offer Him worship and ask His guidance.
Allah needs no praise, for He is above all praise; He needs no petition, for He knows our need better than we do ourselves; and His bounties are open without asking, to the righteous and the sinner alike. the prayer is primarily for our own spiritual education, consolation and confirmation.
That is why the words in this surah are given to us in the form in which we should utter them.
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It is clear that you attempted to provide reasons why humans should pray but you ignored the main point that this Verse should have started from a command from God, such as; " Men and women, I command you to pray to me like this..........
In the current form it clearly is an address from man to God and not from God to man.
I agree that to pray someone is important for humans to fulfill his psychological and spiritual needs.
ok rvikz,for your convinience, I will call it Hindu-Arabic numerals. SO WHAT!!! Do you mean Islam is a bad religion because Muslims did not introduce numbers without the help of ancient Hindu works??? What about the other fields in which the Muslims progressed. Why did you ignore everything else except numerals.And when did I ever say that the Muslims were the only group of people who contributed to the world. The Muslims discovered the things I mentioned above, with the limited instruments and technology, when no one could even imagine the things discovered. Afterwards it was very easy for the scientists to make discoveries with the advanced technology they had.
Seminole, I was comparing English with Arabic, not with other European languages. Arabic has 28 letters. English has 26 letters. So arabic definately has more words. Besides, in Arabic we have Fatha, Damma, Kasra(Arabic words).Just like in Urdu we have Zer, Zabar, Paysh (Urdu words). I don't know what they are called in English. If some one knows, do tell. If any of these marks are put on a word it changes the meaning of that word completely so the total vocabulary of Arabic becomes thrice the total number of words in it. But even if I say that English is the best language in the world,(which it is'nt) it doesn't make my post wrong. Whenever some thing is translated from one language to another it can have more than one meanings. It doesn't matter whether the vocabulary of that language is small or big. Its my mistake I shouldn't have included "size of vocabulary" in my post.
"analyzeit" the reason I made tens of posts is that becuase there were tens of questions about Islam which needed answers. And I usually don't log on to the internet more than once, so I post all the messages I want, together. So bear with me. By the way, all my posts are in order.There is no question of anything getting jumbled up. How can you say that you didn't want to focus the Quran. You were the one who started giving refrences from the Quran, saying that they were unscientific. I had to reply and tell you that the verses you mentioned were completely scientific. Besides, I think there is some confusion because the topic should have been "Islam OR Good Qualities Of All The Religions: which should one follow" I mean, this was the thing we talked about in the other thread.
The two posts which you said were meaningless:
Setting of sun in murky waters:
Zul-Qar-Neyn travelled to the West. The name of the country where he went was Mecidonia. He found wrong doers in that country. As I said before, the Quran is in the form of poetry so a number of metaphors are used. Now with this knowledge read the verse: (I am adding explanations in brackets)
"When he (Zul-Qar-Neyn) reached the setting place of the Sun (the west) he found it (the sun) setting in a spring of murky water (murky water in the spring is a metaphor for the wrong doers in Mecidonia.)" It means he found the sun setting in Mecidonia( a country filled with wrondoers), which was in the west.
Similarly the Hadith of Prophet(SAWS) in which he said that "the sun goes..." was a metaphor. For example, the Quran says that the sun swims in the space. It doesn't mean that the Sun wears a swimming suit and and swims as we do. Similarly the Prophet(SAWS) said that the sun goes and prostrates before Allah . Now think what does he mean by prostrates before Allah. It means that the Sun obeys Allah. How can the Sun obey Allah? By not going anywhere it wants to and remaining in the orbit Allah has ordered it to stay in. I've tried my best to explain it. I hope it is clear now. The reson why these kind of problems arise is that the text is being translated from one language to another. The thing that makes sense in one language doesn't make sense in another language when its direct translation is considered.
"Quran-31:34: Verily the knowledge of the Hour is With God (alone). It is He Who sends down rain, and He who knows What is in the wombs of mothers….
Science can predict (99.8%) what sex of the child inside wombs of mothers. Scientists also predicts that, in the next five years weather predictions will be successfully correct almost 100%."
“analyzeit”, the verse says that only Allah knows what is in the womb of the mother. It never says that only Allah knows what is the sex of the child which is in the womb of the mother. The Quran says that only Allah knows that the child in the mother’s womb will be good or bad. Will he become a doctor or an engineer. Will he go to heaven or the Hell. And no scientist with the best technology can tell that. Nowhere does the Quran say that only Allah knows the sex of the child. It is says that only Allah knows the nature of the child and no matter how advanced science gets, it cannot tell this. Neither does the verse say anywhere that only Allah knows the weather of the future. It just says that Allah sends down rain.!!!
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Surah Fathiah is a pray from man to God . if it is God's word and not man why it addresses God?"
This one made me think a lot. Allah should have said, "O people, I command you to pray to me"Why didn't he say that? But the answer was the simplest. Allah didn't say "People, I command you to pray to me" because Allah doesn't need people to pray to Him!!!. Everything in the universe prays to him. Whether we pray to him or not doesn't affect him in any way. It affects us. When we pray to Allah, he doesnot become any greater. He is already the Greatest. Allah just told of a way to praise Him (surah Fatiha). The one who wants to praise him will do it the one who does not want to do it will not do it. Its that simple.
I think by now you might have realized that I am replying with a completely free mind, free of the thought of going into hell or getting great punishment from my God.
Anand, you forgot to post verse number 10 of the same chapter:
"Allah made it but a message of hope, and assurance to your hearts,(in any case) there is no help except from Allah: and Allah is Exalted in Power wise"
The verse you posted, was revealed to remove fear from the hearts of the Muslims when they were about to defend themselves against the unbelievers who were 3 times more in number and better armed than the Muslims during the battle of Badr.
The Quran contains 6666 verses. Over 1000 verses are based on science. What about the rest. The Quran not only explains science but also tells about history, predicts about the future(Till now every prediction has come true), tells us of the rewards that the believers will get and the punishments the unbelievers will get. Your making fun of it will only make me think that now you are left with no way to create errors in the Quran and that I have proved my point.
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I can just take one word, say ‘stone’ and give thousands of definitions and prove that this ‘stone’ means everything, science, universe, life so and so.
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Wouldn't you agree that the book is rather cleverly written.
Someone mentioned in some other thread about the Quran being a free size dress: the same size would fit a 6 year old and the 21 year olds. It might lack a little detail, but its still right. What was understood by the 6 year olds back then was nothing beyond their comprehensiblity. And the 21 year olds can elaborate it on the basis of what they have come to know now.
Dear Axiom, I have long back given up. I accept and admire the scientific aspect of Quran. Pls enlighten us more!
What Quran explains about Computer, Internet and e-mail…..?
What is your opinion about stalwarts of Islam, like Osama and Mulla Omar? I know that Internet was banned under Taleban regime.
Why Radical Islam opposes scientific progress?
Pls also tell us why Quran explains every thing indirectly? Is there some vocabulary problem at heavens or our patience is examined?
Rgds
If the whole of mankind and Jinn were to gather together to produce the like of this Qur'an, they could not produce the like thereof, even if they backed up each other with help and support. And We have explained to man, in this Qur'an, every kind of similitude: Yet the greater part of men refuse ( to receive it ) except with ingratitude. (Isra 88-89)
How many a generation have We destroyed before their time - (and) can you perceive any one of them (now), or hear any whisper of them? --(Surah Maryam, 98)
"What Quran explains about Computer, Internet and e-mail…..?"
The Quran doesn't explain anything about computer, internet and email. Really, it doesn't. Just like it doesn't explain about mobile phones, scanners, fax machines, motherboards, keyboards, type writters speakers, DVD players and calculators. Anand, whats wrong with you. All these things have been made by humans. Are you saying that God made computer, email and internet. All these things do not come under the category of science. They are not natural. They are manmade things. Now I am begining to think that you will ask me, what does the Quran say about nailcutters, razors, screwdrivers and aluminium foils.
"What is your opinion about stalwarts of Islam, like Osama and Mulla Omar? I know that Internet was banned under Taleban regime.
Why Radical Islam opposes scientific progress?"
The Taliban Regime did a lot of things not written in the Quran. They stoned to death the person they thought did some thing bad, which is against the Quran. They didn't let women gain education, which is against Islam etc. How can you say what the Taliban Regime did was what the Quran said. Islam doesn't oppose scientific progress. If it did then the scientists whos names are listed in the link I gave would never have existed. Who made Osama and Mullah Umar stalwarts of Islam. Those guys are going extreme. Which, in my opinion, is also against Islam. But this is not the world affairs forum so I won't talk about them. Qaid-e-Azam is a stalwart of Islam. Salahuddin Ayyubi is a stalwart of Islam. The companions of Prophet (SAWS) are stalwarts of Islam. Why don't you look at them.
"Pls also tell us why Quran explains every thing indirectly? Is there some vocabulary problem at heavens or our patience is examined? "
Quran explains everything directly, but in the form of poetry. So a lot of metaphors are used which are hard to comprehend, especially when translated to some other languages.. My friend, if there would have been a vocabulary problem in the heavens then the form in which the Quran is written would not have been considered the best form of poetry available in the world, even by the one's who don't believe in it. And yes Quran also tests our patience.
By the way, Anand, what religion do you follow.
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If religion is/was only the psychological needs then it proves that humans are far more insecure than any of the other living being present on this planet & actually are at a disadvantage.
Anyway, those who ask for a 2+2=4 proof of God, fail to understand the very nature of belief & accountability based on that belief. If belief was suppose to be distinctly objective than what is the purpose of being rewarded or punished? What strive did a human do on his part to be rewarded for a very trivial concept?
The idea that religion was a man's creation (and not a woman's) is also very shallow. If today a survey of the world is done, you will find that women are far more "religious" than men. And the history shows that religion as professed by it's founders, regardless of being eastern or western, has always liberated women. It is believed that the commandment of Adam was to marry, provide & protect for his family. Which liberated woma/en from being the sole provider & protector of the new born.
Lastly, I have never seen an atom, electron or proton & for sure will never see an anti-body. Let me go a little further and say that I don' t believe I can ever figure out what light truly is. Was Newton true or not? Yet I believe that it exists! You can call me a physco but hey I like it this way! :)
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Haan yaar, but they have proved the existance of sub atomic particles thru scientific means... I dont know the mechanism or the theory becuase thats not my field of intrest, but I know they have been able to prove this stuff.
Why do we need to prove the existence of god? I dont think its is possible do so anyway, just as it isnt possible to prove there isnt a god. Man tries to hard to understand life thru reason and logic. But must all things be confined within the realm of logic and reason? I think there are some things that are beyond understanding, and can either be believed or disbelieved. The say that those who want to believe, will believe, and those that wont, never will. We can leave it at that.
Panini should be thought of as the forerunner of the modern formal language theory used to specify computer languages. The Backus Normal Form was discovered independently by John Backus in 1959, but Panini’s notation is equivalent in its power to that of Backus and has many similar properties. It is remarkable to think that concepts which are fundamental to today’s theoretical computer science should have their origin with an Indian genius around 2500 years ago.
axiom actually paninini was born in pakistani soil
Born: about 520 BC in Shalatula (near Attock), now Pakistan
http://www-groups.dcs.st-and.ac.uk/~history/Mathematicians/Panini.html
Human mind can understand everything thru information.
God theory is beyond knowledge and this is the reason that there can only be fantasy and nothing else.
I have no reason to argue if there is a God or no God, but the God as we know thru different religions is totally based on fantasy.
And in many cases this fantasy has gone to the extent of foolishness that many people find all universe and total science in those religious texts.
Magic is impossible, and no angel or representative of God or God himself has ever appeared or will ever appear.
If we have to believe one Prophet, then we are bound to accept all self-made many-many Gurus roaming around here and there and declaring divinity.
What is spiritual? If you repeat Coca Cola or Krishna-Krishna….result will be the same.