- It is god who has made for you the Earth as a resting place and sky as a canopy" [Al-Baqara (02:22)] Earth is our final resting place. It doesn't mean that the earth is at rest. The verse says that God has made the earth as our final resting place and the sky as our cover. This verse has no relation to the motion of the earth at all!!!
5.a) "And He has affixed into the Earth mountains standing firm, lest it should shake with you, ..." [An-Nahl (16:15)]
b) "He has created the heavens without any pillars, that you see and has set on the Earth firm mountains, lest it should shake with you……" [Luqman (31:10)]
Both these verses say that the earth has been given mountains so that it doesn't shake with us. Shake is different from move. It means that if there were no mountains then the earth would shake with us(which is true). When we would swing, the earth would swing with us. When we would jump, the earth would move up and down with us. The Quran says that Allah has fixed mountains into the earth so that the earth does'nt shake not so that the earth doesn't move.Pure misinterprettation.
REFERENCES IN THE QURAN MISINTERPRETTED (The one's about the sun's movement)
" And the Sun runs on its fixed course for a term…." [Ya-Sin(36:38)]
".... And He has subjected the Sun and the moon. Each running for an appointed term. Verily, He is the All-Mighty….." [Az-Zumar(39:5)]
"...He has subjected the Sun and the moon (to continue going round)! Each running (its course) for a term appointed……" Ar-Ra'd (13:2)]
"And He it is Who has created the night and the day, and the Sun and the moon, each in an orbit running." [Al-Anbiya(21:33)]
"Allah merges the night into the day, and merges the day into the night, and has subjected the Sun and the moon, each running its course for a term appointed; and that Allah is aware of what you do." [Luqman(31:29)]
These verses, according to, "analyzeit", say that the Sun revolves around the earth. (The post is getting long so I will continue in the next post). Read on to know what it really means.
"analyze it", tell me some thing honestly. How many marks do you score in Physics. I asked this because you still don't know that the Sun is not stationary, as mentioned in the above verses. The Sun rotates about its own axis. The rotation of the Sun about its own axis can be proved with the help of an eqipment that projects the image of the sun on the table top so that one can exmine the image of the Sun without being blinded(An experiment you can find in any book related to astronomical physics). It is noticed that the sun has spots which complete a circular motion once every 25 days i.e. the Sun takes approximately 25 days to complete one rotation about its own axis.
The verses also say that the Sun moves along a fixed course for a term appointed. You interpretted them in a wrong way and said that the sun revolves around the Earth. The Sun does revolve(As the verses indicate) but not around the earth. The verses say that the sun revolves but not even a single verse says that the sun revolves around the earth. The revolving of the Sun is an established scientific fact. The sun travels through space at roughly 150 miles per second and takes about 2 million years to complete one revolution around the centre of our Milky Way Galaxy. The fixed place towards which the sun travels, carrying with it the solar system, has been located exactly by modern astronomy. It has been given a name, "The Solar Apex". The solar system is indeed moving in space towards a point situated in the constellation of Hercules (alpha layer) whose exact location is firmly established. Just look at the scientific accuracy of the Quranic verses. Who was the source of this knowledge? It would be ridiculous, for anybody to even suggest that these things were known to people 1400 years ago, and that they wrote it down to fullfil their local needs(according to you.)
"analyzeit", you told me that you follow the good qualities of all religions. Why don't you follow the religion with all the good qualities and no bad qualities. If you still think that Islam is not a correct religion then I can't help it. I hope all the posts that I made will help you to make the correct decision.
Axiom, thanks for the useful posts. Just one or two corrections if i may:
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What you are referring to is called, "The Theory Of Relativity." It states that humans came into existence due to monkeys.
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You probably had in mind "The Theory of Evolution", not Relativity.
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The sun... takes about 2 million years to complete one revolution around the centre of our Milky Way Galaxy.**
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It takes closer to 225 million years for the sun to orbit the galactic centre. This period of time is called a cosmic year.
Iqbal
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"analyzeit", you told me that you follow the good qualities of all religions. Why don't you follow the religion with all the good qualities and no bad qualities. If you still think that Islam is not a correct religion then I can't help it. I hope all the posts that I made will help you to make the correct decision.
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koran says kill the idolators wherever you find.
is it true ? should word kill appear in religen of peace?
or it is misinterpreted?
also punisment for stealing camel is too harsh?
Book 38, Number 4357:
Narrated AbuzZinad:
When the Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) cut off (the hands and feet of) those who had stolen his camels and he had their eyes put out by fire (heated nails), Allah reprimanded him on that (action), and Allah, the Exalted, revealed: "The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His Apostle and strive with might and main for mischief through the land is execution or crucifixion."
I appreciate the fighting spirit of Axiom.
I can just take one word, say ‘stone’ and give thousands of definitions and prove that this ‘stone’ means everything, science, universe, life so and so.
I have met many Hindus who say that a total science, nuclear energy, airplanes, fighting jets all are explained in Vedas, Ramayana and Mahabharata.
Some of them even boast that the Western scientists have stolen all knowledge from these holy books.
If I have to believe definitions of Axiom,……. then there must have had floods of scientists in Arab countries.
I also appreciate greatly the fighting spirit of Axiom. He is truly showing the spirit of a Mujahid against Infidels. Although his replies dont make much sense in scietific language.
BTW before questioning my scores in physics read my post where I said that Sun is static ** in relation to earth**
In fact sun moves on its own axis, not only that but sun, moon and all planets are moving together in a certain direction but sun is static in relation to earth. I am not a scientist but hope you can look up in your physics books.
You have just assumed so much and wrote so many meaningless replies that I have to agree wit ahmadjee's remarks of lost focus but will answer some of them.
yes anand there were floods of scientists in Arab countries back in their glorious days.. Arabs were the source of knowledge for Europe for quite some time... subjects like philosophy and medicine have many basic concepts borrowed from Muslim scholars of the early years.
koran is religious book not a college physics or astronomy texxt book
axiom you should not burden yourself to prove it to anybody.
you have the right to believe what makes you happy and spirtually
fulfilled same way others chose other paths to meet their spirtual
needs. aferall religens suppose to meet our spirtiual needs if not our
material needs.
Thanks Iqbal, I had Evolution in my mind but wrote relativity by mistake(Its what we are studying in our class nowadays.)The theory of relativity was proven by Einstein. Although the idea that all the physical laws are relative was proposed by Al khindi. Einstein did further research on it and proved the theory. (I'll give a link in one of my next posts about Muslim scientists)
And 2million years was a mistake. The book I referred to said that a cosmic year was 250 million years. I wrote 2 by mistake.(thats what happens when some one posts so many messages in a row)
Thanks for correcting me.
First of all, thanks for appreciating my fighting spirit. “analyzeit” the scores in physics was supposed to be joke. I shoud have put a smiley after it. Don’t take it personally. Also point out,in the verses you quoted, where does the Quran say that the sun is not static with respect to the earth. The verses say that the Sun moves on a fixed course for an appointed time. Anand, there was a flood of Muslim scientists. My mistake. I didn’t mention their names because there are lots of them but I have found this link where you can see for yourself: ummah.org.uk - ummah Resources and Information.
The reson why we don’t know any of these scientists is that the media is in the hand of the Europeans. They rediscovered most the things discovered by the Muslims and presented it as it was their own.
I have got some examples in mind.I am sure that you know Avicenna and you don’t know Ibn-e-Sina. I am sure that you know Gebr but you don’t know Jabir ibn Hayan. Its the same name but written such that if some reads it he will say “Avicena and Gebr are non-Muslims, they are scientists but who the hell is Ibn-e-Sina and Jabir” Every one knows William Harvy, the person who discovered blood circulation(as written in our biology books) but no one knows Ibn-e-Rafiq, the person who discovered the blood circulation 400 years before him. Every one knows that I II III IV are roman numerals, but a very few know that 1 2 3 4 are arabic numerals. It was the arabs who started the decimal system. These are just few examples. Check the link for a big list of Muslim scientists. The reason why, nowadays, the Muslims are backwards in Science because they are going away from their religion.
rvikz that is where you are wrong. A religion is supposed to fulfil each and every need of a person. Physical as well as spiritual. A religion is supposed to tell us about each and every thing in the universe. Quran is not a book of science, it is a book of signs. It has got everything related to every aspect of the universe. By the way, I dont need to prove anything to anybody. It has already been proved by modern science. If the people who choose different paths, don't believe in modern science, its not my problem.
arabic numeral are known as hindu-arabic numerals came from india
it is silly to argue about it . still inforamtion should be corrected
http://www.scit.wlv.ac.uk/university/scit/modules/mm2217/han.htm
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rvikz that is where you are wrong. A religion is supposed to fulfil each and every need of a person. Physical as well as spiritual. A religion is supposed to tell us about each and every thing in the universe. Quran is not a book of science, it is a book of signs. It has got everything related to every aspect of the universe. By the way, I dont need to prove anything to anybody. It has already been proved by modern science. If the people who choose different paths, don't believe in modern science, its not my problem.
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pretty much people lived without presen day religens for 100s of thousands of years. orgainzed religens are formed just 2000 years
ago adding another reason to killing each other.
Anand , you said some thing about giving definitions to stones. When a word is translated from one language to another, it is possible(specially in the english language where the vocabulary is small). I'll give you an example of an Urdu sentence:"Mera Dil Khushi Se Bagh Bagh Ho Gya"
The translation of the sentence would be,"My heart became garden garden out of happiness". Although it is a perfect urdu statement it does't make any sense in english so the translation has to be "My heart (or I) became overjoyed". You can't blame the Quran for this. The Quran is written in the form of poetry. So there are a lot of phrases in it which won't make sense if you see its direct translation. You have to translate the meaning, which doesnot mean giving one thing a lot of definitions. You also might have noticed that almost all the errors are "created" in the Quran on the basis of the direct translation of verses.
rvikz, please tell me where this is in sanskrit. I am unable to locate it.
"In Sanskrit there are number words for 1-9, 10, 100 and further powers of 10 - up to 10 - definitely a decimal system"
also read my post in which I said that religion was started by the first person who came to this earth.[Adam(AS)]. There was no time when religions didn't exist. Also when the Quran says to kill an unbeliever, it puts some conditions for it. Read the, "offensive jihad" thread. I hope your doubts will be cleared. Also I have stated before, (in the salman rushdie thread, the one started by chaltahai) that the punishmentas are meant to stop a person from following the footsteps of the culptrit. I mentioned about adultery and theft in Pakistan. Read all the posts before asking some thing. I don't have time to post the same thing again and again. Thanks
this will explain about numeral system. i cant help you if you pre-judge
your own region is devoid anything valuble to contribute to the world.
every nation and race has contributed not just one group of people.
india itself benefitted from migiration from other regions .
http://www-history.mcs.st-and.ac.uk/history/HistTopics/Arabic_numerals.html
sumerian civilisation is much oldeer than indus valley and the first
one .
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That's incorrect. If English does not have the largest vocabulary among the world's languages, it ranks near the top - with 2-3 times the number of words as most European languages.
I am sorry to tell you Axiom but your explanations of 1) setting place of sun in murky waters and explanation of 2)appearance of sun as compared to movement of sun are not convincing. Try to remove the bias before replying because I know that A religious person would not even think that there can be anything wrong with his or her religion and it is where free thinking is hampered and hindered. If you can think for a moment with completely free mind, free of the thought of going into hell or getting great punishment from your God, you will be able to analyze matters into their true perspective.
I will present many other examples of contradictions and unscientific statements from Koran. Although I never wanted to focus Koran but most peoplpe seems to take it as focus so be it. Please do not make tens of replies because it really jumbles up everything.
- How about this:
Quran-31:34: Verily the knowledge of the Hour is With God (alone). It is He Who sends down rain, and He who knows What is in the wombs of mothers….
Science can predict (99.8%) what sex of the child inside wombs of mothers. Scientists also predicts that, in the next five years weather predictions will be successfully correct almost 100%.
2)And;
Surah Fathiah is a pray from man to God . if it is God’s word and not man why it addresses God?