Re: Open Challenge to those who have accused Junaid Jamshed of Blasphemy
If you really dont know what they said and you are asking for proof to vindicate them, then you are putting the burden of proof on accused. Anyway, i'd assume that you are serious in asking for evidence
1) Salman Taseer (A Muslim): He talked against the faulty BLASPHEMY LAW and reforms in the law and not did any tauheen-e-risalat. REmember this law is penal code of Pakistan and is written by HUMANS. Its not a direct sahefa from Allah that can not be reformed and changed
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*Salman taseer : isn't he the same guy who was killed by his own security guard who by the way was on duty when he did the riddance. The reason as per his body guard was that he used to swear and say bad about the Prophet and as per our understanding , he never apologized. His case has no relevance with that of Junaid Jamshed who apologized publicly. Plus this guy salman was a known killer and very anti democratic. He was an imposed governor and illegally enforced governor raj in Punjab. A tyrant and a dictator.....who was killed by his own men. Who should we blame now? *
Re: Open Challenge to those who have accused Junaid Jamshed of Blasphemy
To be able to fairly judge the situation and make remarks, Sir, would u be able to provide an audio of what she said ? we need proof to analyze the situation on case to case basis. What did she say,? what were the aftermaths..who was involved and so on. Please provide us with some exhibits from both sides. This is how it is dealt in the court of law!
Re: Open Challenge to those who have accused Junaid Jamshed of Blasphemy
Apology is irrelevant. Apology from whom? God? Pakistanis? If it is from God, then who are we to punish them when it's between them and God? God is Raheem, and he supposedly loves his creature so he may well forgive them without waiting for an apology. If it is from us Pakistanis then how can we accept or reject apologies on behalf of God?
So whatever they said/did, did not warrant such brutal treatment. Cruelty, killing is not justified whatever the motive is.
Apology is not irrelevant but very decisive in such cases. Go to India and start swearing at a cow or say bad about their monkey god, the chances are that you will be mob lynched in minutes, go to the bible belt in USA and start saying bad about jesus outside a church, the chances are you will be knocked down flat within seconds.....go to Philipines and say bad about Jesus, you will be crucified. Go to Azizabad in Pakistan and say bad about Altaf Hussein, within minutes u will be slaughtered. These are all realties and they do matter and are not irrelevant. Use your brain, analyze the situation and act accordingly with wisdom!
Re: Open Challenge to those who have accused Junaid Jamshed of Blasphemy
*Salman taseer : isn't he the same guy who was killed by his own security guard who by the way was on duty when he did the riddance. The reason as per his body guard was that he used to swear and say bad about the Prophet and as per our understanding , he never apologized. His case has no relevance with that of Junaid Jamshed who apologized publicly. Plus this guy salman was a known killer and very anti democratic. He was an imposed governor and illegally enforced governor raj in Punjab. A tyrant and a dictator.....who was killed by his own men. Who should we blame now? *
you are asking others to provide both sides of the picture where as yourself is content with one side? This guy killed ST as he was calling on reforming the blasphemy law. For one minute if we believe that he did blasphemy, even then in the presence of the relevant laws who permitted him to kill him? JJ is lucky to present his point of view, how can we now get STs POV?
Re: Open Challenge to those who have accused Junaid Jamshed of Blasphemy
Apology is not irrelevant but very decisive in such cases. Go to India and start swearing at a cow or say bad about their monkey god, the chances are that you will be mob lynched in minutes, go to the bible belt in USA and start saying bad about jesus outside a church, the chances are you will be knocked down flat within seconds.....go to Philipines and say bad about Jesus, you will be crucified. Go to Azizabad in Pakistan and say bad about Altaf Hussein, within minutes u will be slaughtered. These are all realties and they do matter and are not irrelevant. Use your brain, analyze the situation and act accordingly with wisdom!
Brother, what I am saying is apology SHOULD be irrelevant here. Consider the following:
Your son comes to you and asks you that he wants to beat such and such boys. You tell him its wrong to beat other kids. He tells you they use abusive language. You tell him it is irrelevant whatever they say. Just don't beat other kids. Ignore them. He tells you it is very relevant. There is a boy in our class, when others abuse him, he beats them. There is another boy in another class, he does the same. Will you say oh then its ok for you to beat them as well?
I mean what is your stand on this? Forget about what happens at the places you mentioned. Here, in Pakistan, do you support reactions similar to the mob lynching, knocking down flat, crucifying, slaughtering that you mentioned happens in these places? If you support it, say it. If you don't, say it that you don't support it.
Re: Open Challenge to those who have accused Junaid Jamshed of Blasphemy
Like these comments by Ali Moeen
Junaid Jamshed runs off to “evil west” and enemy of Islam to save his life. If you truly believe in what you preach, then face the consequences. Otherwise stop turning Pakistan into an intolerant place please! When you stayed quiet when so many were murdered under the same charge… you never said they should be forgiven when they asked. A pregnant woman was burnt alive in front of her son! This is what happens…
Let’s forgive everyone who asks for it please! And not be the judges of what we know not, their intentions!
Any document evidence of ST abusing Islam and Prophets other then words of a killer?
کان ادھر سے پکڑو یا اُدھر سے....بات داڑھی پر ہی ختم ہوتی ہے. مانو یا نہ مانو
Re: Open Challenge to those who have accused Junaid Jamshed of Blasphemy
First thing first tone it down. You are hurting eyes. Dont use bold unless you want to highlight.
and now to main topic. People should not be punished/let go “according to your understanding”. I just gave you VIDEO evidence of his feeling towards prophet. He did not say bad words about prophet. NO sane muslim can in any circumstances. He simply talked about reforms in A law of the country (which btw, i do too…kill me) and showed support to someone who was “accused” of being blasphemous
“known killer” to who? YOU? So because he was anti democracy and was a dictator is justify to kill him on the street?
Nevermind..It seems like I am conversing with a school boy. Grow up. What does being dictator or being imposed governor has to do with getting killed extra judicially?
Re: Open Challenge to those who have accused Junaid Jamshed of Blasphemy
Why didn't JJ stay in Pakistan and face the consequences? Telling women to stay home and spreading his televengalism and now when the tables have turned, he escapes. I can smell fake from miles away. I don't believe he said a word when other non-muslim/muslim folks were tried and killed on blasphemy laws, but now its him so hey, I am going to uk and screw you all lol
Re: Open Challenge to those who have accused Junaid Jamshed of Blasphemy
Junaid Jamshed is a nice person and liked by millions. We would not abandon him but will stand with him and face every storm. Bring the best you have against him!
Re: Open Challenge to those who have accused Junaid Jamshed of Blasphemy
What a hypocrite!
And why the hell UK gave him refuge?
Why didn't JJ stay in Pakistan and face the consequences? Telling women to stay home and spreading his televengalism and now when the tables have turned, he escapes. I can smell fake from miles away. I don't believe he said a word when other non-muslim/muslim folks were tried and killed on blasphemy laws, but now its him so hey, I am going to uk and screw you all lol
Whats wrong in saving your life?
Insan ki jaan ki hurmat Allah ka nazdeek sub sai ziada hai (Allah and prophet SAW did not say "musalman ki jaan ki hurmat" they said "Insan ki jaan ki hurmat". Politics, fatways, televengalism can wait.
Its a serious, imminent and present threat to him to live in Pakistan after what he went through. Staying home will not be called bravery it will be called baywaqoofi and stupidity. All it takes is one stupid to act in country of millions of stupids. (dont judge me for my statement. I love Pakistan just the way you do, if not more)
Re: Open Challenge to those who have accused Junaid Jamshed of Blasphemy
Educate the masses, and these problems won't happen. Feudals in all provinces of Pakistan, land mafias, etc have kept the poor and working classes ignorant, and hence they are illiterate, and can't even read the Quran's translation.
Allah did not send us the Quran to read in a language we don't understand, because it sounds nice to the ears, and somehow will magically make us wonderful. He wanted us to read it and understand it.
Islam started with the word "Read", not "Kill". Remember "Iqra".
