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Re: olive branch between shia and sunni
I am watching first one, I wish if every one was so thought full.
**Ye thoughtful nahi asal main thoughts ko khrab kerny ki koshish ker raha hy. History jitni is tabqy na badli kissi ny badli ho gi. Khufiya nikah ki Islam main kahin ijazat nahi bad kirdari ki nahi or ye Mutta ky nam per badkirdari ko farogh dy ker kehty hain ky fiqah main aysy nikah jaiz hain.
Mara Imam Hussain ki khud nam Yazeed ka badnam khyr Allah hi samjhy aysy munafqeen ko hama shuma ky bas ky nahi ye
Sunni apny aqaid tabdeel ker lain tu sab sahih ho jaay ga yehi ferma rahy hain na ye ashab. Shia logon ko bhi koi naseehat ki hy inhon ny:aq:
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Re: olive branch between shia and sunni
whats wrong with mutha??
you are with a women she cant be with any one else in that time.
You provide shelter food, If any babies they get share of your wealth.
Its like very refined/islamic way of having a GF.
Once I attended my friends divorce, ulama there said. if a guy even jokingly say to a girl to get marry to him.
And she says yes and there are 2 ppl watching, guess what?? they are married.
Just like talaq.
no condition of not being secret.
Re: olive branch between shia and sunni
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if a guy even jokingly say to a girl to get marry to him.
And she says yes and there are 2 ppl watching, guess what?? they are married.
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oh come on.. that cant be true.
whats wrong with mutha??
you are with a women she cant be with any one else in that time. You provide shelter food, If any babies they get share of your wealth. *Its like very refined/islamic way of having a GF. * .
Astaghfar Aisy hi ulma ky liy Allama Iaqbal ny kah atha
Khud Badalty nahi Quraan badal dyty hain
Yani apny bachon ko shelter dyny ky liy aik orat ko jisam faroshi pe majbor ker ky kah aja rha hy ju mard os ky sath ye kam ker raha hy ain Islam hy Naoz Billah
**This is true magar gwahon ko nikah khufiya rakhny ki kia zarorat hy:aq: Shadi ki aylan hona zarori hy, Logon ko patta chalna chahiy ky mr xyz miss zyx sy nikah ker chuky. Jaiz cheez ko chupaiya nahi jana chahiy.
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Re: olive branch between shia and sunni
Well the are not main stream Islamic scholar....the first one is some Psuedo Self made imaam and as a Sunni Muslim I tell you that we disown this guy. We have nothing to do with guy....and his opinions. He doesn't reflect main stream sunni thoughts.
Astaghfar Aisy hi ulma ky liy Allama Iaqbal ny kah atha Khud Badalty nahi Quraan badal dyty hain Yani apny bachon ko shelter dyny ky liy aik orat ko jisam faroshi pe majbor ker ky kah aja rha hy ju mard os ky sath ye kam ker raha hy ain Islam hy Naoz Billah
The art is called Takkiyah...u roleplay somebody else...i doubt that they are sunnies cause their believes are not sunni. I know a guy who for 2 years presented himself as ahlay hadith and later it came out that the guy was actually shia! he was expelled from the mosque after the town people found his secret
Re: olive branch between shia and sunni
yes bitter_reality.. it could be anyone... they're everywhere them shias..
goodnews its not the secrecy i find hard to believe, but that nikah could happen because of a joke.
yes bitter_reality.. it could be anyone... they're everywhere them shias..
goodnews its not the secrecy i find hard to believe, but that nikah could happen because of a joke.
Yes because sunnies never blame sahaba or speak bad of them but this guy(Molvi) in the first video is justifying that Sahaba did this n that..and then some people wrote books on their wrong doings so Noazbillah its ok to condemn sahaba?
He is definately not a Sunni....reminds me of a mosque in chakwal where my in laws live. In their mosque which was a sunni mosque , a new imaam came and he started preaching bad about Sahaba....later the people found out that imaam was actually Shia and he accepted the job as imaam caz of bread n butter. The Neighborhood expelled the imaan after his secret got exposed. I am sure that the Imaam in first video is not Sunni
Bottom Line : When a Crow pretends to be a hawk..he is always caught caz of his color and flight pattern
The art is called Takkiyah...u roleplay somebody else...i doubt that they are sunnies cause their believes are not sunni. I know a guy who for 2 years presented himself as ahlay hadith and later it came out that the guy was actually shia! he was expelled from the mosque after the town people found his secret
Agreed
How does the video prove that the first video is of a guy who is a shia and he is practicing Taqqiyaa? Did anybody hear and understood what he was trying to say?
Sahaba came and are now gone. Those who wrote the books we use are gone, dead.
How do we solve problems that we face today?
How do you end this debate?
How do you move on and stop killing each other?
Only one central thing is able to do that for us and that is our believe in Quran and Mohammad (pbuh), rest is just history and insignificant to main pillars of Islam.
He is stressing that at least follow the basics and those who follow the basics at least respect them for believing the same that you believe and respecting the central thing that you respect.
As far as Mutha and other stuff, I wouldn't recommend it for my sister or any body elses so that is my take on it and why I think its wrong because I wouldn't recommend it to any female in my family but I don't know about those people who have no problem with muta, maybe they would, who knows?
The main point is that debate needs to end, one can keep going back and forth till judgement day and then both parties indulging in baseless debates on history end up in hell.
How does the video prove that the first video is of a guy who is a shia and he is practicing Taqqiyaa? Did anybody hear and understood what he was trying to say?
Sahaba came and are now gone. Those who wrote the books we use are gone, dead.
How do we solve problems that we face today?
How do you end this debate?
How do you move on and stop killing each other?
Only one central thing is able to do that for us and that is our believe in Quran and Mohammad (pbuh), rest is just history and insignificant to main pillars of Islam.
He is stressing that at least follow the basics and those who follow the basics at least respect them for believing the same that you believe and respecting the central thing that you respect.
As far as Mutha and other stuff, I wouldn't recommend it for my sister or any body elses so that is my take on it and why I think its wrong because I wouldn't recommend it to any female in my family but I don't know about those people who have no problem with muta, maybe they would, who knows?
The main point is that debate needs to end, one can keep going back and forth till judgement day and then both parties indulging in baseless debates on history end up in hell.
Sir G if someting looks like duck , walks like a duck, quacks like a duck.....lay eggs like a duck and fly like duck....then the probability is that Its a Duck!
The Guy in the first video accused sahabas of doing bad and said that the historians have written books on it..so now a sect says bad about Sahaba then there is nothing wrong with it. ( Sunnies disagree at this point...our stand is that in the Quran Allah has said that the Sahaba are happy with me and I am happy with them and definately they were the best of the ummah)
Either you are too innocent..........or perhaps you are a shia.....anyways we sunnies we don't justify maligning Sahabas.
Sir G if someting looks like duck , walks like a duck, quacks like a duck.....lay eggs like a duck and fly like duck....then the probability is that Its a Duck!
The Guy in the first video accused sahabas of doing bad and said that the historians have written books on it..so now a sect says bad about Sahaba then there is nothing wrong with it. ( Sunnies disagree at this point...our stand is that in the Quran Allah has said that the Sahaba are happy with me and I am happy with them and definately they were the best of the ummah)
Either you are too innocent..........or perhaps you are a shia.....anyways we sunnies we don't justify maligning Sahabas.
I understand that and agree with you but I think we need to look beyond that if we are really sincere about solving the underlying problem. I don't think the molvi in the first video is shia but then again I've been wrong before... He says all sects are right which ignores the hadith about 73 sects and that only one going to jannah which follows Quran, sunnah and way of the sahabas.
If not the books written by men then how did we know about sahabas?
I think the problem starts from when shias curse sahabas and disrespect them but I don't think many people see that.
Re: olive branch between shia and sunni
In my opinion the solution would be to pass a resolution in the national assembly of Pakistan and ban tabbarah ( the religious practice of swearing at sahaba from a special sect). and if they don't comply.....then declare them non muslims just like the qadyanies ( qadyanies are officially declared non muslims as per constitution of 1973 )
Re: olive branch between shia and sunni
JL They have to respect Sunnies too why he is not stressing out this thing:aq:
I think the problem starts from when shias curse sahabas and disrespect them but I don't think many people see that.
Yes thats the main problem and the Govt of Pakistan must pass a resolution in the national assembly against it. Swearing at sahabas ( tabbarah) should be banned.
Yes thats the main problem and the Govt of Pakistan must pass a resolution in the national assembly against it. Swearing at sahabas ( tabbarah) should be banned.
I wouldn't bet on it... if Government of Pakistan can respond to indian accusations firmly, I would be surprised. Those who don't care about respect of the country and the motherland, why would they give a damn about sahabas or their respect.
GN, good point.
Re: olive branch between shia and sunni
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