Re: Occupied Palestine...
Now I remember why I need a periodic break from this place.
You're not the only one.
Re: Occupied Palestine...
When did Americans ever lay claim to their land? It belongs to the Natives!
What type of moronic skewed history have you been reading? American settlers massacred the natives fair and square and took their land. Just like the natives massacred the buffalo and took its meat. Just like the buffalo massacred the pine cones and took its nutrients. It's all about the survival of the fittest ...and it's all fair.
The same thing applies in Israel: the Palestinians were defeated fair and square. Why? Because the Israelis were better united, focused and prepared. This world has no time for cry baby losers and Palestinians are cry baby losers. If the Palestinians want to live on tiny little reserves under Israeli law they're more than welcome - after all, thats what Native Americans do in America.
It's either that or they can haul their rumps out of Israel.
Re: Occupied Palestine…
Initially the middle east land in question belonged to the JEWS. As this was the first religion to be developed and spread. NExt came Christians, who turned Jesus the Jewish rebellion leader into the Holy GHOST, father etc. in his death and a religion developed , ROME, the HOLY SEE being the center. THen in about 622 onward of new religion sprung forth from the two preceding.
Islâm is the religion founded by the Prophet Muh.ammad ( from Islam ). The word is sometimes said to mean “peace,” but it is salâm that is the word for peace. Islâm means “submission, resignation,” i.e. to the will of God. Both are from the same root, slm, “to be safe and sound, unharmed,” and many other meanings. This is related to Hebrew shalôm, “peace,” and the Ancient Egyptian root snb, “health.”
Therefore if the word has a ROOT meaning , it came from something/ or developed from something which already existed before. Is spirituality , belief and fatih ever evolving? Yes. And we must evolve to co-exist and their is plenty of land if we choose to go after Hamas, and supporters in donating land and evolving it into a Palestinian homeland .
But , for reasons abundant by history lessons and by many present day countries it is this: if a country is to flourish it MUST HAVE a secular goverment. Theocratic regimes beget nothing but retrograde and prejudicial and mysogynistic thinking. Countries flourish under democractic rights without religious dogma dictating socio-economic and political growth.
2 Likes
Re: Occupied Palestine...
OG, America belongs to the red indians. Lets give them back a state or two and lets splitt America into pieces. Will you accompany me in this race war?
I'll appreciate your concern regarding jews needing a place to live very much, but I also like to help other races and religions. Lets adopt the scenario to every other region.
And now don't argue on that red indians enjoy the same freedom as an American from spain, germany, france, britain, etc (as Its ancestors were).
Re: Occupied Palestine...
Fine, you get the UN to draft and pass a resolution to partition the country and we will all abide by it.
And, for the record, the vast majority of Indian deaths were due to the introduction of European diseases to North America. While there were instances of settlers giving the Indians blankets coated with Small Pox, frequently the settlers would go into a territory and find the Indians already wiped out by the disease. The Native American population was nearly cut in half by Urban based diseases that they had no natural immunity to.
Re: Occupied Palestine…
Please study your history properly. The religious ideologies didn’t develop as clear cut as you have presented them.
For one, Islam came before all, and these other ones are a distorted stream of it. Secondly, Bani Israel were muslims, not Jews. Divisions later came out to be that way.
End of discussion.
Re: Occupied Palestine...
*What type of moronic skewed history have you been reading? American settlers massacred the natives fair and square and took their land. Just like the natives massacred the buffalo and took its meat. Just like the buffalo massacred the pine cones and took its nutrients. It's all about the survival of the fittest ...and it's all fair. *
The same thing applies in Israel: the Palestinians were defeated fair and square. Why? Because the Israelis were better united, focused and prepared. This world has no time for cry baby losers and Palestinians are cry baby losers. If the Palestinians want to live on tiny little reserves under Israeli law they're more than welcome - after all, thats what Native Americans do in America.
It's either that or they can haul their rumps out of Israel.
Ohhh kinda like the Darwinian Theory of evolution? The one that's been proven wrong by today's Science?
I'd like to see you justify someone who breaks into your house, take all your belonging and kicks you out in the name of Survival of the Fittest. I'm sure you'll have no problem accepting that, and that you would move on with a smile on your face. No one has time for cry baby BS, so get on with it (right?).
Afterall, Might is Right. Or so you think.....
Re: Occupied Palestine...
What type of moronic skewed history have you been reading? American settlers massacred the natives fair and square and took their land. Just like the natives massacred the buffalo and took its meat. Just like the buffalo massacred the pine cones and took its nutrients. It's all about the survival of the fittest ...and it's all fair.
bullsh1t. that my friend is typical savage and animal mentality. and believe it or not most humans are a level above that kinda behaviour. most being the key word considering some folks here have obviously not yet evolved from that stage of retardation.
[quote]
The same thing applies in Israel: the Palestinians were defeated fair and square. Why? Because the Israelis were better united, focused and prepared. This world has no time for cry baby losers and Palestinians are cry baby losers. If the Palestinians want to live on tiny little reserves under Israeli law they're more than welcome - after all, thats what Native Americans do in America.
It's either that or they can haul their rumps out of Israel.
[/quote]
yeah 'cept when a suicide bomber gets to them, then you prolly couldnt find a pacifier or a dummy, big enough.
Re: Occupied Palestine...
yeah 'cept when a suicide bomber gets to them, then you prolly couldnt find a pacifier or a dummy, big enough.
that my friend is typical savage and animal mentality. and believe it or not most humans are a level above that kinda behaviour.
Re: Occupied Palestine...
Fine, you get the UN to draft and pass a resolution to partition the country and we will all abide by it.
And, for the record, the vast majority of Indian deaths were due to the introduction of European diseases to North America. While there were instances of settlers giving the Indians blankets coated with Small Pox, frequently the settlers would go into a territory and find the Indians already wiped out by the disease. The Native American population was nearly cut in half by Urban based diseases that they had no natural immunity to.
How sir, how? UN is under your controll whom should I consult with my idea?
No one will listen. The UN is sold out, the IAEA is sold out, Amnesty tries It's luck but fails at higher levels (partially sold out), the human watch is sold out....I cant ask Mush the dictator to support me. Guess why?! He is sold out.
Wait a second, Is this the history you guys get confronted with? No wonder the real thing is hidden behind closed books.
You know I had history too. And American history was quite a chapter and Im pretty surprised by what you have stated here. Or are you pointing at the rivers, seas being poisoned with mercury because of the heavy gold diggen which finally effected more or less the red skins and some small majority of the natives.
Re: Occupied Palestine...
that my friend is typical savage and animal mentality. and believe it or not most humans are a level above that kinda behaviour.
yeah....and?
Re: Occupied Palestine…
How many? 400K to 700K?
That’s precisely what the Limeys call bollocks…
And that was during when Saddam was the apple of US administration’s eyes while fighting Iran…This happened during the 80s…So how come a 20 year old story now holds so much water that it legitimises an invasion of Iraq? In fact, no news was reported of Saddam having gassed his own people till now…The picture of Rumsfeld shaking hands was all over the internet during those times…
Here’s an interesting article…
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article1779.htm
And why should Muslims call for his head? Why didn’t your people call for Lincoln’s head when he deployed his troops to fight against a southern insurgency? Because as president of the US he had every right to quell any uprising in his country…
As for Kurds, they had allied themselves during the Iran Iraq war with the Iranians…By all reports (Not available to intellectually blind, biased or blockheaded people) the Kurds had taken the opportunity of the war to lead a a full scale rebellion against Iraq by attacking Iraqi mainland…As president of his country, he did the right thing…He moved against the rebellion to quell it…Just like Lincoln…Just like Waco…Just like the Texas Militia…
Look at your own bloody acts throughout history before standing up on the soapbox Mr. American…It’s not nice to point fingers at others while your own hands drip with the blood of countless innocents…
Anyway, Saddam and Iraq is not the topic here…It is Occupied Palestine…
And I can say this much from whatever I have learnt from history…All empires face a downward spiral…As a result you will face the same people whom you faced with going up…
Today, the US administration may be the strongest in the world, but for how long? Two towers collapsed and the economy of the US trembled to its very foundation…
Everything is being witnessed and everything will be remembered but nothing will be forgiven…
Occupied Palestine will once again be free and belong to the people that Zionists displaced through the complicity of the US administration…
Right now, my only position is that I do not recognize any country called ‘Israel’ and never will…It is simply a land called Palestine under genocidal control of a brutal and inhuman people called Zionists…And they will be dealt with as they have dealt with those they displaced…
Re: Occupied Palestine...
Ohhh kinda like the Darwinian Theory of evolution? The one that's been proven wrong by today's Science?
Evolution proven wrong? Survival of the fittest proven wrong? WTF! Have you ever seen a butterfly kill a tiger?
You're an example of Darwins "doesnt know what he's talking about but still likes to say stuff he doesnt know" theory. You can learn from the wise words Winston Churchhill:
[quote]
I do not agree that the dog in a manger has the final right to the manger even though he may have lain there for a very long time. I do not admit that right. I do not admit for instance, that a great wrong has been done to the Red Indians of America or the black people of Australia. I do not admit that a wrong has been done to these people by the fact that a stronger race, a higher-grade race, a more worldly wise race to put it that way, has come in and taken their place.
[/quote]
Life's all about survival of the fittest. If you believe it's primative for the powerful to rightfully defeat weak aggitators then you're primative yourself. The fact of the matter is Palestinians were pulled into a war with Israel by the Arabs. Unfortunately the war was lost and we have the problem that is today. Talk to any Palestinian about it today and in hindsight they'll admit they were royallly screwed by the Arabs.
Re: Occupied Palestine…
Ok, yeah ok.
Re: Occupied Palestine...
And that was during when Saddam was the apple of US administration's eyes while fighting Iran...This happened during the 80s...So how come a 20 year old story now holds so much water that it legitimises an invasion of Iraq? In fact, no news was reported of Saddam having gassed his own people till now...The picture of Rumsfeld shaking hands was all over the internet during those times...
Yes it was becuase that obscure, insignificant handshake was used by Muslims to somehow put the blame of Iraqi massacres on US hands. Not relevant then, not relevant now.
Saddam murdered, raped, imprisoned, tortured and terrorized whole segments of the population, not just rebel kurds. The examples of Lincoln, Waco, etc are preposterous as none of these actions involved the decimation of the civilian populations. Saddam oppressed the majority of the population and you can't even admit to his massacre of Muslims now, just making excuses. What a warped and biased view. Denial at its worst.
Apparently "Everything is being witnessed and everything will be remembered but nothing will be forgiven..." is not true if its Muslims killing Muslims. I love, by the way, someone who claims such piety to have such an unGodly positions as this. Makes shooting down these positions so much easier when there is such hypocrisy to expose.
But you are right that all empires do face a downward spiral and more than likely face the same people whom you faced with going up... that's what happened to the Islamic Empire. It failed and Israel is part of the new empire.
Arabs started the war against Israel and lost all of them. The Palestinians have continued it with their terrorist acts and they are in worse shape than ever. Perhaps you should veer from religious teachings and realize war and killing doesn't solve everything. Leaving the battlefield is not one of the greatest sins as some will have you believe.
Re: Occupied Palestine...
Please study your history properly. The religious ideologies didn't develop as clear cut as you have presented them.
For one, Islam came before all, and these other ones are a distorted stream of it. Secondly, Bani Israel were muslims, not Jews. Divisions later came out to be that way.
End of discussion.
No , first Jew , then CHristian then Muslim. Oh, do you count the Pharoahs. The Bhuddists? The Greeks as all muslim also? Mohammad (PHUB) founded Islam, therefore when did Mohammad live?
Re: Occupied Palestine...
No , first Jew , then CHristian then Muslim. Oh, do you count the Pharoahs. The Bhuddists? The Greeks as all muslim also? Mohammad (PHUB) founded Islam, therefore when did Mohammad live?
So you dont agree with what Quran mentions. I see...nice talking to you.
Re: Occupied Palestine...
Saddam and Israeli leaders have the same level of evil misdeeds. Why do some posters criticize Saddam but fail to criticize the likes of Sharon and Begin, and then get on their soapbox and accuse others of hypocracy? Hmmm.
Re: Occupied Palestine...
So you dont agree with what Quran mentions. I see...nice talking to you.
My book (penned by god himself, literally!) says that my religion was created before the creation of the universe so my religion is older! So I win, nice talking to you.
Re: Occupied Palestine...
Saddam and Israeli leaders have the same level of evil misdeeds. Why do some posters criticize Saddam but fail to criticize the likes of Sharon and Begin, and then get on their soapbox and accuse others of hypocracy? Hmmm.
No one is saying Israel has been perfect, but same level of evil misdeeds as Saddam? Hardly. Only biased Muslims or others in denial would make such an outrageous comparison. Saddam killed more Muslims in any one year than Israel has in its whole existence.