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My book (penned by god himself, literally!) says that my religion was created before the creation of the universe so my religion is older! So I win, nice talking to you.
NO I agree, Jesus (r.a) was Allahs (r.a) messenger. So he was obviously narrating words of God. I appreciate your concern.
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No one is saying Israel has been perfect, but same level of evil misdeeds as Saddam? Hardly.
How so? Both killed innocent people. Israel displaced a lot more people than Saddam. Why is it always number game for your kind? Can't you criticize both and not be hypocritical? Does the brutality of Saddam make it right for Israel to treat Palestinians worse than sh!t?
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Saddam killed more Muslims in any one year than Israel has in its whole existence.
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Please bring references for these statements. I'm sure you are correct, but it must be sourced properly, otherwise it's just hearsay.
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NO I agree, Jesus (r.a) was Allahs (r.a) messenger. So he was obviously narrating words of God. I appreciate your concern.
The only Jesus in my book was a magician and he played a small part, some comic relief. Atlas this is de-railing the thread so I will adjourn.
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^Oh I always thought you were Christian. I didnt know we still had jewish on this board.
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How so? Both killed innocent people. Israel displaced a lot more people than Saddam. Why is it always number game for your kind? Can't you criticize both and not be hypocritical? Does the brutality of Saddam make it right for Israel to treat Palestinians worse than sh!t?
Please bring references for these statements. I'm sure you are correct, but it must be sourced properly, otherwise it's just hearsay.
Heresay? You mean like "Israel displaced a lot more people than Saddam?"
If you want to believe Israel is as bad as Saddam, go for it. There are a billion Muslims who believe the same thing. All the numbers and rationale won't change your biased point of view. I'm not bringing you anything. Do you own research and source it properly. Why does your kind insist on references or #'s when it only justifies your point of view?
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Heresay? You mean like "Israel displaced a lot more people than Saddam?"
So that's hearsay to you now?
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If you want to believe Israel is as bad as Saddam, go for it. There are a billion Muslims who believe the same thing.
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Great. I am not a Muslim in any case, but a rational human being. I have plenty of Christian friends who have the same beliefs I do. This is not something that's only central to Muslims, no matter what your kind believes.
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All the numbers and rationale won't change your biased point of view.
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How is my viewpoint biased? I believe, like any human being would, that BOTH are evil and both are capable of doing much evil. Maybe you should research the Sampson option Israel has. Plus I have already given you the benefit of the doubt.
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I'm not bringing you anything.
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That's because you can't and therefore a liar.
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Why does your kind insist on references or #'s when it only justifies your point of view?
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To expose liars and hypocrites.
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Heresay? You mean like "Israel displaced a lot more people than Saddam?"
If you want to believe Israel is as bad as Saddam, go for it. There are a billion Muslims who believe the same thing. All the numbers and rationale won't change your biased point of view. I'm not bringing you anything. Do you own research and source it properly. Why does your kind insist on references or #'s when it only justifies your point of view?
Fortunately there are not just Muslims who believe that the state leaders of Zionists are bad enough to topple Saddams of his throne in hell.
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^Oh I always thought you were Christian. I didnt know we still had jewish on this board.
Assume nothing.
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It shows how much influence GS has, so that It even attracts Jews to this site :k: and why not?
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Fortunately there are not just Muslims who believe that the state leaders of Zionists are bad enough to topple Saddams of his throne in hell.
That's not what he's been to brainwashing into believing. Remember Israel is good because it kills Christian and Muslim Palestinians and Saddam is bad because he killed Muslims and made a Christian his VP.
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That's because you can't and therefore a liar.
Differences of opinion are fine, and expected. Debate and discussion are great, but I'm not going to respond to this kind of crap. Grow up. And don't worry, you wont have to worry about any more interaction from this hypocrite and liar.
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And don’t worry, you wont have to worry about any more interaction from this hypocrite and liar.
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Great, your intellectual cowardice and defeat is duly noted.
They follow the Jewish saying of “Never forgive, never forget”
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Saddam is dead after the American terrorists “liberated” Iraq and gave the Iraqis the gift of Abu Ghraib. Saddam’s evil is gone, then a new evil of occupation is thrust upon the Iraqi people. Israel’s evil still exists but there are some who would like to be blind to those facts:
Something bad is happening to us
Haaretz Editorial
Three years ago, the CBS television network broadcast photos of American soldiers abusing prisoners in the Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq. The horrifying pictures led to the trials of eight soldiers, dismissals and a storm of outrage in America. At the trial of one prison guard, who was sentenced to eight years in jail, a psychologist gave his evaluation: that the man was an entirely ordinary person, without any particular violent tendencies, who served as a guard for many years in civilian life but never behaved sadistically toward American prisoners. The situation of occupier and occupied, as opposed to that of citizen versus citizen, causes ordinary people to become violent and lose restraint. At Abu Ghraib, the trial found, there was institutionalized contempt at every level. The prison guards understood that “this is the way to behave here.”
Last night, the investigative television program “Fact” broadcast pictures of our own Abu Ghraib affair. It is doubtful whether a country that has grown used to 40 years of occupation, and the stories that accompany it, will be shocked. We have become accustomed to treating the Palestinians as inferior people. Generations come and go, and new soldiers abuse the residents of occupied Hebron in almost the same manner. Stories similar to those broadcast last night were exposed by the Breaking the Silence group three years ago. The saying “occupation corrupts” has become a slogan of the left instead of a warning signal to everyone.
This time, it was regular soldiers in the Kfir Brigade. They exposed their backsides and sexual organs to Palestinians, pressed an electric heater to the face of a young boy, beat young boys senseless, recorded everything on their mobile phones and sent it to their friends. One of their “mischievous acts” was to test how long a Palestinian who was being choked could survive without breathing. When he passed out, the experiment was stopped. The soldiers described activities to “break the routine” that consisted entirely of abuse. It was enough for a boy “to look at us the wrong way” for him to be beaten.
Earlier, at the trial of First Lieutenant Yaakov Gigi, officers spoke of burnout, of “something bad happening to the brigade,” of a Wild West, of a moral crisis. The commander of the brigade, Colonel Itai Virov, said “we failed on several parameters.” His words reflect a denial of the depth of the failure. This continuing routine, far from the eyes of the commanders, must lead to a series of investigations, and perhaps to dismissals as well. It is unconscionable for the head of the Hebron Brigade, the division commander, the GOC Central Command and even the chief of staff to ignore the ongoing behavior of soldiers in the brigade responsible for routine security in the West Bank. Colonel Virov admitted that there was a conspiracy of silence in the brigade - in other words, a norm of abuse and its concealment. To change norms, one has to shock and be shocked, not be satisfied with a few imprisonments and empty words about a loss of values.
Perfectly ordinary people, as the American psychologist said of the Abu Ghraib abusers, are capable of behaving like monsters when they receive a message from the top that it is permissible to abuse, beat, choke, burn, make people miserable and generally do anything that man’s evil genius is capable of inventing to others who are under their control. Something bad is happening to us, they are saying in the Kfir Brigade. That “something” is the occupation.
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Oh my.
Quell an insurgency?
Several thousand Kurdish villages were destroyed, forcing residents to live in appalling camps. In at least 40 cases, Iraqi forces under Saddam’s cousin, Ali Hassan al-Majid, used chemical weapons to kill and chase Kurds from their villages. Then, during the Anfal campaign from February to September 1988, Iraqi troops swept through the highlands of Iraqi Kurdistan rounding up everyone who remained in government-declared “prohibited zones.” Some 100,000 Kurds, mostly men and boys, were trucked to remote sites and executed. Only seven are known to have escaped.
The full scope of the Anfal horror became known only after Saddam’s defeat in the Gulf War. The Iraqi military’s withdrawal from the region in October 1991 after the imposition of a no-fly zone made it feasible for the first time in years for outsiders to reach the area.
Human Rights Watch investigators took advantage of this opening to enter northern Iraq and document Saddam’s crimes. Some 350 witnesses and survivors were interviewed. Mass graves were exhumed. And Kurdish rebels were convinced to hand over some 18 tons of documents that they had seized during the brief post-war uprising from Iraqi police stations. These documents were airlifted to Washington, where Human Rights Watch researchers poured through this treasure trove of information about the inner workings of a ruthless regime.
With this extraordinarily detailed evidence of genocide, Human Rights Watch launched a campaign to bring Saddam to justice.
This is the leader of a country where a minority ruthlessly and brutally put down any notion of participation by the majority for thirty years. He started two wars, killing hundres of thousands. The Marsh Arabs were killed by Saddam dropping high voltage powerlines into the marshes to kill not only the fighters, but entire villages on the marshes. Shia protests were broken up with helicopter gunships. And herein lies the problem.
Most Muslims live with this extraordinary double standard. You casually dismiss genocide committed by a Muslim leader as the “proper thing to do”, yet you microexamine every political decision of western and Israeli leaders. No where is this worse than Palestine. The Palestinian people have methodically been raped by their leaders, yet somehow it is “unIslamic” to squeek even a little complaint out of a trendy Muslim. Arafat stole what may be Billions in aid money over the course of years. Once elected he engineered an uprising so that re-elections were impossible. The quality of life left in the wake of these thieves disguised as jihadis, is one where there are tsunamis of sewage drowing refugees. Yet the Islamic world never holds their leaders to account. Islamic leaders once in power, generally stay in power one way or another for life. Corruption is tolerated, brutality is excused, and never do the “educated Muslims” figure out they have been duped. Trendy hip Muslims will memorize every talking point against Israel. They will banter about an “occupation”, a “seige”, and work on trite analogies comparing Jews with the Nazis who killed 6 million of them.
The thing that Muslim leaders fear the worst is an effective solution to the Palestinian question. Why? Because then about half a billion smart Muslim youth would look around and say, “now what”? At that point the puppet show would end and you would start asking tough , perhaps unanswerable questions of the puppet masters. So long as you are distracted by Israel, the despots ruining the lives of your people can continue to milk the wealth of your countries and keep your people from success.
Israel is a speck, a microscopic fleck in the Muslim world. Yet you pound your chest about the “rights” of the Palestinians while telling me that genocide by a Muslim leader is pretty much OK.
Un-frikkin’-believable.
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C'mon, Ohioguy. So what are you saying...
100,000 Kurds were executed.
Several thousand Kurdish villages were destroyed.
Saddam killed hundreds of thousands.
Ali Hassan al-Majid used chemical weapons to kill and chase Kurds from their villages **40 **times.
Why is it always number game for your kind? Please don't muddle the facts with number. That takes all the emotion, bias and BS out of the equation.
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Why is it always number game for your kind?
So the hypocrites can excuse Israeli atrocities. Your posts are full of bias and BS, so please don't talk about that.
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C'mon, Ohioguy. So what are you saying...
100,000 Kurds were executed. Several thousand Kurdish villages were destroyed. Saddam killed hundreds of thousands. Ali Hassan al-Majid used chemical weapons to kill and chase Kurds from their villages **40 **times.
Why is it always number game for your kind? Please don't muddle the facts with number. That takes all the emotion, bias and BS out of the equation.
Yeah, what is a little genocide among brothers. ( and that 100k was in just 7 months, another fun fact!)
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Calling Saddam a Muslim is like calling me a Muslim. Muslims in general don't want either me or Saddam as part of their ummah.
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Well, if you don't like Saddam, then name me a Muslim Leader who should be emmulated?
Assad?
Un-elected King of Jordan?
Coup Leader Musharraf?
Gerontocracy/Theocracy for life in Iran?
Sultan of Brunei?
King of Saudi Arabia?
President of Egypt?
The elected government of Lebanon, or Hezbullah who really runs it?
UAE, Dubai, Bahrain?
Saddam is merely the worst example of Muslim leadership. For years Fatah ran the Palestinian Authority. Rather than hold their leaders accountable for the conditions of their people, Muslims blame the entire outcome on Israel. When Muslim leaders are held accountable then change will be possible in the conditions in the Muslim world. So long as Muslim leaders are able to make Israel a full time distraction the misery will continue...
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When Muslim leaders are held accountable then change will be possible in the conditions in the Muslim world.
That's what al-Qaeda is trying to do, hold Muslim leaders accountable for their alliance with the West. Their ways are barbaric of course.
How do you expect subjugated populations of Muslims to do what you're asking, when the leaders you mentioned get American support and aid, precisely to distract their populations with Israel?
What do you want them to do? Join al-Qaeda against their leaders?
The Iranians did that in 1979, when they overthrew the Shah, but that was not to America's liking.