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^ Do you go to school with MQ or Sarah?
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MehnazQ - as usual, right to the heart of things.
Sarah, you have to learn to seperate issues and think rationally. Feminist who espouse "racism and their policies about sexual sterilization and eugenics" are rasicists and sexists. Period. Just like Muslims that yell jihad with bombs on their backs are not representative of all Muslims, just fanatics with a warped view of what it means to be Muslim. Every group has them.
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For me, feminism is also just what us girls are doing right now in this thread … discussing things and being heard. I just spent an hour at the gym and was thinking of you girls the whole time. 
Would we all be here voicing our opinions and hearing each other (with men reading on) if it weren’t for feminism? Would we even have the courage to dare speak out if it wasn’t for feminism? You don’t have to actually be out there actively doing something to be a feminist. Just having the confidence to voice your opinion is also a form of feminism. Sarah, this also makes you a feminist. We all have a little feminist in us, especially Matsui.
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Aww Sucks MQ..come here sister 
You can call me P-Daddy from now on.
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Minah, what are you on about woman. I'm not alking about the women at the fringes who were eugenists and in favor of forced sterilization. I'm talking about women right at the forefront. Those same women who were suffragettes, who got us the vote, who got us recognized as persons, actually, I should say who got white, middle-class, sans mental disability women. Like Nellie McClung and Emily Murphy. Emily Murphy went on and on about the harm posed by Chinese and blacks in her book, in addition to Jews, immigrants. She traveled the freakin country prmoting sterilization and eugenics. She said something along the lines of, "these are becoming more populous than the upper crust". I am paraphrasing but the gist is the same, the message is the same. Do an online search, you will porbably find the exact quote. And wasn't this woman part of the Famous Five? The women who are our heros? Thousands of women were sterilized under the Alberta Sterilization act, MOST, the freakin majority, of them were women. The Famous Fives pushed for the enactment of the Act. The only women helped were their own race, their own class, lucky women.
Please stop toeing the party line without even knowing the other side of your precious feminists. Maybe you should read a little. You will be shocked as I was, but at least maybe you will stop depicting them as angels who can do no wrong.
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“Nelle Hetita McClung (1873-1951) is known for her activities for ‘Women’s Rights’, the ‘Suffrage Movement’, a Liberal member of the Alberta Legislature and the CBC Board of Governors. This year she joined forces with Emily Murphy, Irene Parlby, Louise McKinney, and Henrietta Edwards. They believed that the poor and sick are responsible for societies failings. They believed that eugenics improved the population by eliminating undesirable genetic traits. They believed visible minorities and feeble-minded should be sterilized. They campaigned vigorously for eugenics and sterilization in Canada. These women are guilty of crimes against humanity by their association. Governor General Adrienne Clarkson says these famous five had human flaws. A very mild mention of their atrocities. The Nuremberg Trials declared sterilization as a crime against humanity. These infamous women suffered from an Anglo Saxon master race complex.”
http://www.telusplanet.net/public/dgarneau/alberta15.htm
Since I am sure you will cling on to your viewpoint like a leach, I found this for you.
Now tell me, have these women apologized for the lives they ruined? Has feminism en masse apologized. Have you, the resident mouthpiece for the virtues of feminism, apologized?
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Their thinking was a result of their time. The black civil rights struggle saw militant activity as well, which was counter productive in the long run. Ultra-Conservationists go around destroying private property because of some illfounded logic. Like all movements, feminism has evolved. THere are many other movements that espouse such idiocy, religious ones being the most obstinant. Imgine only men allowed to marry four times…men can only lead prayers…stupid idiots…but they will evolve, feminist will take care of that.
The only thing I don’t get about ultra-feminists is their disregard for proper makeup and fashion. Chick look good in tight clothing…drop the burlap girls. 
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Feminsm is not about GS, the children of GS know as much as the real world as I do about about geography. Sitting and doing a degree doesnt give you a perspective in life and neither does notching up ages bed-post like. The women who are Feminists are those who have suffered for the belief that they are born equal. Women in Pakistan and Afraica, the women in Sudan, the victims of post war rape who continue to live and survuve in the belief that they too amount to something. Those acid attack victims who live only (now) to prevent further such attacks. That is feminism. The other connotations the PCG alikes would have us believe are sadly not only mistaken but damaging.
Its also saddening to see women who do not recognise the truth in the Feminist movement. There is still much need of education. To enpower poor women to own their bodies, their children their lives. Those who condem modern Womanists forget, and infact do not know the hidden inequality, like racism that turns its ugly head as soon as chance allows.
I also hate that a Feminist is now defined as an ignorant bitch who talks too much and slanders the male poulation due to a misplaces and prolonged sense of Penis envy. Feminism is about being female and being proud. It is more of an issue being female and comfortable, not on ly in ur sxuality but in your abilities. I would state that a woman who wants to stay at home and raise her children with her girlfriend is todays feminist. The women who as yet is not seen as an equal by her male relations but rather as an object. (yes desi land, this goes out to the females in y'all).
We are NOT princesses we do NOT need to be treated like gems and delicate house ornaments. We do not need to be jealously guarded and forcefully shroaded or forcefully stripped. And neither do we need our decisions to be made for us.
blah blah blah
And it disturbs me that matsui is so in touch with the feminine in him.
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Hiccy that is because chicks dig me. 
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Sarah. Ghandi was a racist but he was a man of great vision. It is partially sue to him that me and you are free citizens today.
similarly these women were hyppocritically victims of their own woes, they were prejuduced and racist. But they were trying to free the women of their world. potentially half the population. Noone says that to be a Feminist is to be perfect. But iit sure is better than sitting on ur ever expanding child bearing hiney and taking all the **** that life chucks in your direction.
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PD, we are talking about people here, not chattle. People who's lives were irrevocably destroyed due to the lobbying of these feminists. If you gather all the hair from the collective hairy legs of feminists and give these poor people the weight in gold of that, it won't be enough. Jews, immigrants, mentally disabled, colored, etc.
Interestingly, a woman finally sued the government for forced sterilization successfully. This was in 1996 I think.
Also very interestingly, Alberta, thanks to the feminists, adopted sterilization a coupla years before Hitler.
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Take your neck out of the noose hiccup. None of us are forced to sit at home and define our existence through breeding. Don't be a victim. The ones who are being forced, who have no recourse when they are raped, maimed, beaten up, Minah's white feminist heroes are doing nothing for them.
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And what would be the alternative if this movement didn't happen..if these faulty women didn't push for voting privileges. It is like saying Mideastern prophets are bad people because they condoned and practices slavery.
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Haha. The US and Canadian governments were no better than Hitler, just on a lesser scale. Maybe they were trying to salve their sore conscience by the war on Hitler, the hatred of Hitler than continues to this day. Feminists were no different except for murder, yet they didn't get any crap, still don't, their deeds are never mentioned. I've studied them through high school and university, never seen their anti-semitism in addition to other atrocities, xenophobia, mentioned in any feminist classes and women's studies classes.
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Sarah, forget feminism for a moment. Take a look at how the Canadian government treated black people who escaped America for "freedom".
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They still came out of the general populations sarah. You are trying to inflict todays social values on people who were around almost 5 generations ago. thomas Jefferson would be the most hated man in America today if that was the case...
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I beg very strongly to differ. It is a well known fact that a Paki woman “back home” who can’t “breed”. Are subject either to sawtanism, being a second class citizenin her own home. Or simply divorce. if a man is the one in the sterile, then he simply blames the woman.
In countries such as thus, countries to which WE belong.. our existance and the level of respect we are given depend very greatly upon our ability to breed.
And like I said, there are more than one type of feminist. White Upper class and obnoxious don’t have the monopoly on fighting for equality. My very point was that we need to redefine that word to aply to the silent heros who are unsung and slandered do to unfair bunching and lableing. And I distinctly wish that we as females were allowed to escape the centuries of suppresion in seventy years of quarter world enpowerment and free ourselves as easily as that from this noose you referr to.
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I don’t know where this discussion is heading, but i found this post not as informative as some think
first you ask for a definition of feminism and then give a definition that itself needs definition. Wat’s the use of attributing A to B, while A itself needs attributing. Of course you give an (one) example, but one example doesn’t define things.
It’s analogous to saying that IQ is what an IQ-test tests. Such a definition is contentless. So i wonder, if the rest of your post has any good foundation:
you only say what feminism is NOT. But don’t tell us what feminism is either
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this isn’t feminism. This is just having a discussion behind the safety barriere of your monitor screen 
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I can't say what feminism is or "define" it cause the definition varies from person to person. In that case, how can I tell you what feminism is? I can only say what it does not represent for myself. It's different for everybody.