NWFP for army action in southern Punjab

So punjabi taliban do exist. Army and Punjab government should pay attention to this problem before it is too late.

DAWN.COM | Front Page | On trail of Punjabi Taliban

LAHORE, Oct 16: A day after the triple-strike in Lahore, officials, counter-crime experts and academics in the province grappled with the question of how to deal with the upsurge in violence and the discourse was dominated by analysis of who the Punjabi Taliban were and what background they came from.

The province’s security agencies admitted the presence of “individual” militants branded as Punjabi Taliban in southern Punjab as well as elsewhere. “The government and its security agencies are fully alive to the threat and are taking requisite action. But it would be wrong to say that militants have consolidated their position to a level where they can operate under the banner of Punjabi Taliban,” argued a senior Punjab police official who has worked with different intelligence agencies.

This was consistent with a provincial intelligence report prepared some time ago on activities of militant groups operating out of southern Punjab. Although the report dismissed what it termed the much-hyped theory that the Taliban have “set in” in the districts (of Bahawalpur, Multan and D.G. Khan divisions), it acknowledged the potential threat of Talibanisation in some areas if “timely action by law enforcement agencies, coupled with concrete development activity, was not taken”.

The report concluded: “Poverty-stricken, feudalistic, extremely religious and illiterate south Punjab could possibly provide shelter to the Taliban and other jihadi outfits. It has potential to become a nursery or a major centre of recruitment for sectarian organisations. Talibanisation appears to be in its infancy stage. Timely action by law enforcement agencies, coupled with concrete development activity, could avert this danger.”

In a talk with Dawn on Friday, a senior police official listed a number of arrests made in different parts of the province, including southern Punjab, and recovery of arms cache in the recent past and claimed that in doing so, police had averted a number of possible suicide raids and sectarian attacks.

He maintained that militant organisations like Lashkar-i-Jhangvi, Harkat-ul-Jihad-i-Islami and Jaish-i-Mohammad operating out of southern Punjab had a long history of linkages with the Taliban in Afghanistan and tribal areas of the NWFP who provide them sanctuary and support.“Nobody denies that the militants belonging to these organisations have strong links with the Tehrik-i-Taliban Pakistan and facilitate their operations in Punjab. But this is also true for the militants operating from many other parts of Punjab and the rest of the country,” he added.

Another senior police official surmised the term Punjabi Taliban was just a myth coined and being propagated to destabilise Punjab by the so-called friends and foes (read America and India) of Pakistan. “It’s a stable Punjab which is blocking their designs to harm Pakistan,” he said.

A senior police officer from Bahawalpur wondered: “If the so-called Punjabi Taliban from south Punjab are so big in number why none of the thousands of those arrested or killed during the recent military operation in Swat was found to be from this area.”

The Punjab police say that only one militant, Abid alias Hanzala, out of 11 who had blown themselves up or were killed in as many acts of terrorism during 2007 and 2008 was from a southern Punjab district, Rahimyar Khan.

The rest of them were Mehsuds from South Waziristan. Similarly, all the eight suspected suicide attackers who were either arrested or those who were able to escape arrest during 2007 and 2008 came from South and North Waziristan, Mansehra and DI Khan. Five of them belonged to the Mehsud tribe, according to police.

But there have surely been some signs of change this year. Analysts argue that the active involvement of militants operating out of southern districts of Punjab in a series of terror attacks during this year has brought the ‘Punjabi Taliban’ into sharp focus.

“Earlier, the Punjab-based sectarian and jihadi groups, which were either involved in Kashmir or in sectarian killings within the country, used to only facilitate militants coming from tribal areas of the NWFP by providing them logistical support for carrying out terrorist operations. Now they have become entwined with militants operating under the banner of Tehrik-i-Taliban Pakistan and changed their strategy.

“They are pursuing a different agenda, which is to challenge the state (of Pakistan) and pull it down, and are actively involved in the terrorist acts as indicated by their involvement in terror raids on Sri Lanka team and Manawan police training centre earlier this year (and multiple attacks on security installations this week),” Lahore-based defence and political analyst Dr Hasan Askari Rizvi said.

The official from Bahawalpur acknowledged that southern Punjab had proportionately produced greater number of militants because of the presence there of groups fighting in occupied Kashmir in the past. Also, he conceded, a number of top jihadi and sectarian leaders belonged to southern Punjab. But he insisted that there were no sanctuaries or training camps anywhere in the region.

On the basis of how much the official concede, shall we then say that the militants have an operational network in place in southern Punjab to build on?“That network is intact in spite of the arrests and killings of a number of militants in recent years. The area was never cleared and militant organisations and groups continue to recruit in southern districts of the province, which are also used as sanctuaries by militants after carrying out their operations elsewhere in the country,” an analyst said.

“How can you get rid of militancy without demolishing the ideological infrastructure that helps to create this mindset?” he wondered. But he acknowledged that it was a difficult task and required political consensus.

Amir Rana, an Islamabad-based analyst, said the term Punjabi Taliban was coined by Afghan Taliban groups to distinguish militants from Punjab and it became popular after the militant attack on the Danish embassy in Islamabad last year.

He said the Punjabi Taliban was not a homogenous group and also included Kashmiri and Urdu-speaking people. “You would also find some Burmese and Bengali immigrants living in Karachi in the ranks of the so-called Punjabi Taliban,” he elaborated.

Dr Hasan Rizvi said that linkages between the militants from Punjab and the Taliban in the NWFP had deepened (in recent years) as the militants shifted their training camps in the tribal areas to avoid action by the government.

He said religious extremism was not confined to southern Punjab alone. “You will find a similar situation in central Punjab as well. Religious extremism is very sharply visible in Gujranwala, Faisalabad, etc. But the problem with southern Punjab is that some of its areas are not under effective state control. There are areas in DG Khan where the government’s authority is weak, which helps the militants to find sanctuary there. Further, the close proximity of these areas to Balochistan and tribal areas of the NWFP also provides the militants an easy escape route.”

Dr Rizvi, however, dismissed calls for a military operation in the region. “It (operation) is not needed because these areas, in spite of weak government authority, are not out of the state’s control. The better option would be to gather credible intelligence on the activities of militants in these areas and then take action.”

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Poor innocent Niden,
Taliban has nothing to do with provinces nor countries.
There is also Western Taliban, UK Taliban, USA Taliban.
Home grown UK Taliban baby.

Re: NWFP for army action in southern Punjab

^ Tell me something? Does it matter where taliban exist. they are in Pakistan and we need to get rid of them. Army action has started in waziristan, so lets focus on that for now and than they will go after the other guys.

I love you yaaaaaaaaaar, u said it right!!

Action against them is welcome to every Muslim and Pakistani.
But to make sure that another of our generation is not lost to terrorism, we need to also purge madressahs and juma-khutbahs of endorsing khariji thinking and terrorism.

Yes we need to do all this
and we need to take actions agaist corrupt politicians and invest in education ...etc.

Yes we need to do all this plus 'etc'.
But terrorism emanating from madressah support and inculcation of terrorism in Pakistan's children is a direct threat to Pakistan's security and existence. It is therefore of utmost importance.

Only after a few strikes by Punjabi Taliban, are people acknowledging that threat of terrorism is not based on ethnicity but IDEOLOGY. And one needs to recognize the epicenters of such evil anti-Islam ideologies.

We can attack as many terrorist training camps as we want, but if we don't stop the ideology of people running these camps then sooner or later these camps will prop up again somewhere else in the country.

For God's sake, Pakistan has already lost a whole of its generation to these evil khawarij. Now please at least save the next future generation of Pakistan from this evil, and make them a good Muslim.
Islam can not be dominant in the world through the acts of terrorism by Muslims. For this to happen, Muslims need to be educated and economically strong.

yes we need to look at the root cuase. I mean we are not victim of this terrorism and extremism but we should not forget what leads to this vicious crime. The leaders should take up their respoinsitbilty and take care of their subjects and make sure they have food on the table they have good healthcare they have good education. If the governement is corrupt then the people will be corrupt how can the government point fingers to the wrongdoers?
If people do not have basic things to live and there is no justice in the country then unfortunatly extremism, crime and terrorism arises.

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yeh just kill every man, just kill every one

the only solution to the problems of this world. Kill those terrorists and the world will be a safe place to live. like terrorists started the world wars and all those crusades, all people dieing in Africa of hunger is because of terrorists in Pakistan.

if you don't want to lose future generations to terrorism, the current generation has stop teaching and supporting it and doing the 'wink wink'. Take stern action against all terrorists not just some selectively. Islam or anyother religion has nothing to do with this and your using Islam as motivation is as bad as the terrorists using it as their rationale.

Not committing terrorism has to be its own reward in your youths minds. If you don't st that goal you've already lost it all

Did you even read what he said???

Dumb post by someone trying to be oversmart.

Everyone knows Punjabi talibans do exist so no need to start jumping up and down in excitement. Most of the terrorists belong to a certain area but we don't call them Pathan terrorists or Pathan taliban. They are just TERRORISTS for us, similarly the Punjabi talibans are just terrorists for us and we need to take action against EVERY terrorist. Punjab police has arrested hundreds of people from different parts of Punjab and let's hope we won't need a military operation there.
Operation has already started in the MOST important/dangerous place and it will inshallah break the whole network.

as should be clear to anyone who can read I was responding to khoji's post. why are you asking about your post? are you and khoji two names for the same person?

anyway, if you disagree with something I wrote and tell me what is it you don't agree with I will discuss. Otherwise take your namecalling and shove it

I know you were responding to Khoji’s post but your reply was quite confusing or you delibrately ignored what he said:

This is what Khoji said"

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.For God’s sake, Pakistan has already lost a whole of its generation to these evil khawarij. Now please at least save the next future generation of Pakistan from this evil, and make them a good Muslim.
Islam can not be dominant in the world through the acts of terrorism by Muslims. For this to happen, Muslims need to be educated and economically strong.

And tell me how this response by you made any sense???

Islam or anyother religion has nothing to do with this and your using Islam as motivation is as bad as the terrorists using it as their rationale.

You basically repeated what he said but criticised him for using Islam as motivation??? That’s why i said it was a dumb post, quite similar to most of your posts i have come across.
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^mysterious guy, i think what Jalaluddin reply was not incorrect. He was pointing out that some people want to make this war of Pakistanis against the terrorists as war of sects. Some people use the word kharji as synonym for anyone who disagrees with their sect. I think such people bring their own narrow minded agenda which in long run is going to hurt Pakistan's cause. AT this time people from every sect and religion should be united agiainst terrorists.This is not war of sects, this war of our survival. Plz take this Qummi, kharji debate elsewhere.

Oh it is your department. You jump up and down and creating such threads like "Say No to Indian Transit"without sufficient knowledge on the subject.

Coming back to topic. It is a huge problem, it will not be tackled as so easily, unless roots of the problems are removed from where they have been sowed.

Their foundation lies in Pakistan's NWFP and Punjab. These are the breeders of Jahdis areas, you should be more worried about these in Pakistan rather than USA, UK, Western Taliban, practically non-existent ghosts or even supporters of these ghosts are end up in prisons without delay. Try even to pose yourself as Taliban in these countries and see what happens to you?

I think you are quite confused, i never created any "Say no to Indian transit" kind of threads.

You have contributed a lots of retard and racist remarks in just one thread " Say a BIG NO to transit route for india.." origninally inititated by Marasi. Parho aor sharmao kya tum likh rahay ho aor phir dekho kon uchal kud kar raha ha hay.

By the way second FIR was filed from Punjab against your beloved Mush for laathi charge on procession on his Nov 3, 2007 action of firing 60 judges.:)

dude - i don't think you understand English past 3rd grade level. I did not repeat what he said. I took objection to how he himself is bringing religion into terrorism, how he implies that the reason he objects to terrorism is because that won't lead to domination by Islam.

To be even more clear so that you don't keep confusing yourself and calling others dumb, think in terms of how conflict will not occur if you go around saying you want to dominate?