Non muslims dont go to heaven?

[Seminole]

Re: Non muslims dont go to heaven?

Once again we have a kafir here, trying to explain Muslims what worshipping means.

We do not need your Merriam Webster definition of "worship". The Islamic term is 'Ibadah' and its way more than just mere worshipping. It means to be totally subjugated .

Muslims are just so darn perfect that only they know the meaning of worship. I should have known. Unless you also are the only enlightned ones to know the meaning of subjugation, it still applies. If by not following the commands or example of prophet puts you out of the fold of Islam, then it appears as if you are subjugated.

Bottom line - God revealed his final word in the Quran. Early Muslims took their fascination with all things Muhammed to intrepret God's command to follow the example of his prophet to the extreme of putting his words and actions on par with the final word of God. As if God left things out of the book and only revealed them to the prophet. If these things are so instrumental in the practice of Islam, why didn't God just make the book longer instead of requiring Muslims to spend centruries deciding which supporting hadith are legitimate? After all, the book has been promised to be complete and unchanged.

[ramyssysIX]

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If you start talking about the 'why;s' the list would be infinite. Where would you draw the line?

Muslims are just so darn perfect that only they know the meaning of worship. I should have known. Unless you also are the only enlightned ones to know the meaning of subjugation, it still applies. If by not following the commands or example of prophet puts you out of the fold of Islam, then it appears as if you are subjugated.

Bottom line - God revealed his final word in the Quran. Early Muslims took their fascination with all things Muhammed to intrepret God's command to follow the example of his prophet to the extreme of putting his words and actions on par with the final word of God. As if God left things out of the book and only revealed them to the prophet. If these things are so instrumental in the practice of Islam, why didn't God just make the book longer instead of requiring Muslims to spend centruries deciding which supporting hadith are legitimate? After all, the book has been promised to be complete and unchanged.

[Seminole]

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In the Quran Allah said "*This day I have perfected your religion for you and completed My favour upon you" *yet Muslims took what was said in the Quran and added many layers of complexity, rules and rituals *after *that day. So the way Islam is practiced today is not what God perfected on that day.

[ashtray]

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the ignorance on page1 is mind blowing

[ramyssysIX]

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Maslan? (Such as?)

@Seminole

So the way Islam is practiced today is not what God perfected on that day.

[pinks]

Re: Non muslims dont go to heaven?

Please read again my post:

"STOP JUDGING PEOPLE BY TAKING ALLAH'S MATTERS IN YOUR OWN HANDS"

How do you intend to implement Allah's matters of judgement. Will you kill in the same way two women were killed the other day in Swat, because Allah has ordered you to implement His judgement....

I'll wait PATIENTLY for your enlightment on the subject as my brother slaveofallah accuses me of not having any patience....

ummm what happened to the "2 women in Swat?" i dont know the story so I cant answer.

Wassalam

[indopak]

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@chintu_bhopali

90% of kudiyan milegi hell main...i am soo excited.

Hey!! you just mean 90% punjabi women milegi hell main right? This is good news for us non Punjabi women:hypo:

[Skittlez]

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Wasn’t the Bible and Torah created by Allah/God as well? Why would Allah create that to be followed as well then?

[Ask99]

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@Sabriya786

Wasn’t the Bible and Torah created by Allah/God as well? Why would Allah create that to be followed as well then?

Yes Riya, but they have been altered by humans:)…thus they are books of God but not THE books

[Skittlez]

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the torah has been altered? I know the bible has... but the torah too? But ok, why were they created in the first place anyways? They weren't meant for Muslims... the only ones with a chance to go to heaven... so why was all that created if it would lead people to Hell?

[Sharaabi]

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@Sabriya786

the torah has been altered? I know the bible has... but the torah too? But ok, why were they created in the first place anyways? They weren't meant for Muslims... the only ones with a chance to go to heaven... so why was all that created if it would lead people to Hell?

Anyone who submitted to the Message of the Prophet of Allah, of his time/place, is a Muslim...period.

The followers of Noah, Musa, Isa, etc....were all Muslims, and they shall all go to heaven, inshallah.

Prophet Mohammad came for the entire humanity. Hence belief in the Message of Mohammad (sas) becomes incumbent on every human who has heard of the message, and if anyone rejects the Message after hearing about it and then dies in that state will abide in hell for eternity.

Now, for those who died without ever hearing of a religion called Islam, lets say some indeginous tribe in the Amazon, and people there have no touch with the outside world, and as a result have never heard of Islam, we believe that Allah being Just and Kind...will not punish anyone for something that they had no control over.

[Hum_Hain_Lajawab]

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Each prophet was sent for his specific period. Esa (A.S) was sent to his people and those who followed him with true heart cannot really be called non-muslims because Esa (A.S) was a muslim since he submitted to Allah's will and those who submitted to Allah and followed Esa were also mu'min. Musa (A.S) was sent to his people with Torah but people altered it, just like Injeel.

Woe, then, to those who write the book with their hands and then say: This is from Allah, so that they may take for it a small price; therefore woe to them for what their hands have written and woe to them for what they earn.
[2: 79]

In similar manner, all the previous prophets were mu'min and those who followed them were also mu'min. Then Prophet Muhammad was sent with the Quran which cannot be altered and will remain the same until Yaum-al-Qiyamah insha'Allah.

This Book, there is no doubt in it
[2: 2]

Surely We have revealed the Reminder and We will most surely be its guardian.
[15: 9]

On Yaum-al-Qiyamah, you will not be asked about Esa (A.S) or Musa (A.S) or any other Prophet but about Muhammad since he is the last Prophet and will remain until Yaum-al-Qiyamah.

[yazdi]

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@SlaveofAllaah

Salam Yazdi,

I dont have to get angry, as I stated earlier you have read my post upto 4 times infact you forgot your own post in the meantime. Secondly bin laden aapke bade bhai lagte hain you talking so confidently about him and his version of Islam as if you met him personally and he is your close relative. I have told you earliers its not your words or my words but word of Allaah.

Well brother its better you analyze the Quran completely.

Please try to understand the Quran from the Principles of Sunnah from Ilumalnazool

Those were your words exactly, my brother thats why i had to get Ibn kathir and Tabari into picture one place you talk about Quran other placy you talk about Sunnah now who is confused.

Secondly, in my first post in this thread i mentioned i want you to argue wrt only the Quran and until now i havent got any verse from you, i expect you to do it.

Firstly did i ever talk about Ibn kathir and ibn Tabari wrt and compared it to Quran, it you who claimed understand it with the time of revelation, **specific times to the sahabas, **so i had to make you understand you are not only one learned here i also do my studies.

Now i am asking you please tell me from teh Quran what will happen to the ones who have associated partners with God, and if you say that answer is not there in the Quran you have some problems.

I really appreciate you have read my post upto 4 times, but i have even requested in the mpost please refute the verses in the Quran i am n ot here to win a war against you, i simply asked you prove the Quran wrong, dont prove me wrong those are not my words.

Now i am challenging you and the words of Allaah, sounds agression go ahead prove your prowess. I dont need any knowledge from mullah i can do it on my own.

Regarding abrogation, thats an other topic please ready the post below (i.e. if you have time) when once someone commented that Quran can be abrogated by Mutawatir hadeeth this was my response, and please dont take me into the concept of naskh.

Dear Brother,

From your post I have nothing to disagree....

I just need answer from you if you disagree with me on the point that these verses regarding shirk have to be taken for guidance and not for judging any one, as the right to judge only belongs to Allah. If you agree with me on this point we have no other point of difference.

Regarding your concept of checking these tafseers to check the sequence of nazool only, and you agree to the principles of sunnah, and you study quran under these principles of sunnah I think we belong to exactly the same school of thought.

We are actually both saying the same things with just one point of difference that I am requesting you not to start judging anyone as this is the biggest mistake our clergy does....

For abrogation concept I am not talking about abrogation of quran with hadith, I am talking about mullah concept of abrogating one verse of quran with another. That's how they create the likes of Bin Laden....

[gul-e-bakauli]

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For abrogation concept I am not talking about abrogation of quran with hadith, I am talking about mullah concept of abrogating one verse of quran with another. That's how they create the likes of Bin Laden....
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I thought you are in the favor of not judging anyone?

@yazdi

Dear Brother,

From your post I have nothing to disagree....

I just need answer from you if you disagree with me on the point that these verses regarding shirk have to be taken for guidance and not for judging any one, as the right to judge only belongs to Allah. If you agree with me on this point we have no other point of difference.

Regarding your concept of checking these tafseers to check the sequence of nazool only, and you agree to the principles of sunnah, and you study quran under these principles of sunnah I think we belong to exactly the same school of thought.

We are actually both saying the same things with just one point of difference that I am requesting you not to start judging anyone as this is the biggest mistake our clergy does....

For abrogation concept I am not talking about abrogation of quran with hadith, I am talking about mullah concept of abrogating one verse of quran with another. That's how they create the likes of Bin Laden....

[anjjan]

Re: Non muslims dont go to heaven?

what do you think that you may find Muslims in a Muslim hell? No Sir, Muslim hells are created for Jews, whereas in a Jewish hell you may find plenty of Muslims.

[chintu_bhopali]

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Some muslims feel that they have monopoly of god and heaven!!!

[USResident]

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@chintu_bhopali

It feels like muslims have monopoly of god and heaven!!!

No one is stopping you from joining in.

[chintu_bhopali]

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^^ I will be happy in hell rather than joining taliban and alqueda people in heaven.(edited my earlier post)

[Light_Bearer]

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@indopak

Hey!! you just mean 90% punjabi women milegi hell main right? This is good news for us non Punjabi women:hypo:

You do have interesting Islamic point of view.

[system]

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@chintu_bhopali

^^ I will be happy in hell rather than joining taliban and alqueda people in heaven.(edited my earlier post)

Its Bakwas... Muslims who perscribe to this line of thinking are nothing more then bigots. If anyone is going to hell, its them.