No gas for Lahore industries

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No Gas No Electricity

Lahore ka kiya kasoor hai :(

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dont worry, its the whole of Punjab...

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Main Sadqe Jaon… Idhar Karachi main bhi yehi haal hai… Aur abhi office se ghar lot te hue traffic jam (due to 35 hours closures of CNG from tonight) se jihaad karte hue jana hai… :teary1:

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i like how its being done…:hehe:

PPP is trying everything in the book to instigate someone to do something…and become a ‘shaheed’ … people need to brace themselves for more … next thing you know…oil tankers will not be allowed to go into punjab or something :hehe:

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Yeah Whole of Punjab too may be PPP is taking their frustration out :aj:

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According to Pakistani constitution (18[SUP]th[/SUP] amendment) natural resources of each province is theirs and thus first priority of its usage is theirs too. It is up to individual provinces to export their resources to other provinces what they should do after fulfilling their own requirements. Anyhow, such is not happening, because even when Sindh is producing most of Pakistani oil and gas, we find considerable shortages of these two commodities in Sindh while oil and gas from Sindh is getting exported to Punjab. Same is true about Baluchistan.

Province-wise Annual Gas Production and Consumption Trend, 2006-7
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Province
Total Gas Produced *(MMCF)*
Total Gas
Consumed *(MMCF)*
Ratio (Consumption VS Production in %)

Sindh
Punjab
NWFP
Balochistan
1,000,415
68,608
26,370
318,188
459,369
638,008
42,480
82,138
45.91
930
161
25.81

Source:* Pakistan Energy Yearbook 2007*

Above data for year 2006-07 Shows that Punjab use 930 percent Pakistani produced gas more than they (Punjab) produce, or 9.3 times more Pakistani gas what they produce. Same with NWFP, that they use 161 percent, or 1.61 times more Pakistani gas than what they produce. Sindh consume gas less than half what they produce and Baluchistan consumes gas a quarter of what they produce.

**Here is ‘2007’ data of province wise production and of oil and gas in Pakistan:

Province-wise Oil Production in Pakistan**** 2006-07** [TABLE="width: 499"]

Province
Oil Production (Million Barrels)
Percentage

Sindh
Punjab
NWFP
Balochistan
13.87
7.85
2.8
0.024
56.36
31.91
11.619
0.1

Pakistan
24.61
100%

Source:* Pakistan Energy Yearbook 2007, Ministry of Petroleum and Natural Resources GOP*

Province-wise Annual Gas Production: 2006-7
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Province
Non-Associated Gas (MMCF)
Associated Gas (MMCF)
Total (MMCF)
%

Sindh
Punjab
NWFP
Balochistan
979,198
52,481
22,818
318,188
21,217
16,127
3,552
0
1,000,415
68,608
26,370
318,188
70.77
4.58
1.86
22.50

Pakistan
1372,685
40,896
1413,581
100%

Source:* Pakistan Energy Yearbook 2007*

The situation means, unless Pakistan starts importing Gas in big way, there would always going to be shortage of Gas in Punjab and NWFP, as sooner or later Sindh and Baluchistan, just to satisfy the requirements of their own crowd, would try to consume themselves whatever ‘oil and gas’ they produce without exporting them to other provinces. As Pakistan is getting poor, value of $ is increasing fast (that would increase the price of imported oil and gas in future), population is increasing fast, energy consumption is increasing fast, demand for oil and gas is increasing fast ... we could not expect to see any bright future (unless Pakistan economy start booming).

But then ... this is what people of Pakistan want and they are getting, that is, they prefer their own desirable person to rule Pakistan and they also want development from the hand of their desirable person regardless of however corrupt and incompetent that person may be. They hate, do propaganda, and would like to live with lies when development and prosperity comes from the hand of an undesirable person (for them) however honest, hard working, and competent that person maybe.

In a country where ruling, corruption and nepotism is taken as opportunity and right of resourceful and victimising helpless as honour of resourceful, we cannot expect anything good other than misery.

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it would be constitutional for punjab to not 'export' wheat or meat to other provinces??

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You are right. That is what they do. :)

[From what I remember, couple of years ago Punjab government of Shahbaz stopped/limited wheat and sugar export to other provinces ... mostly effecting NWFP]

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chalo good… it seems provincial tensions are going to cause major havoc in coming years…:k:

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I think the wheat and sugar were stopped due to hoarding and smuggling from Nwfp to Afghanistan crises is wheat began brewing started in Punjab. How ever 18th amendment if left as is would mean that the provinces will start arranging their own commodities and reducing the dependence on each other. It has plus and minus points.

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http://www.pakissan.com/english/issues/flour.export.to.afghanistan.raises.price.shtml
The five month long ban on the transportation of wheat from Punjab to other federating units, apparently meant to check hoarding of wheat, … … …

Though the closure of NWFP mills can not be attributed alone to the ban alone as some 100 mills (out of 260 set up in the Frontier) were out of business much before the ban was imposed, it played havoc with the remaining operating mills which, too, experienced complete halt because of stoppage of wheat from the neighbouring Punjab.

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You are right. Anyhow, the ban by Punjab government was imposed not for NWFP only but for all other federating states. That is different matter that Sindh was not affected because they produce wheat and sugar more than their requirements.

On the other hand, what I was pointing out was that, steps are constitutional and can cause lot of havoc in future unless Pakistan economy do not start growing fast so that Pakistan could able to import these commodities to fulfil requirements. But then, for many Pakistanis economy is secondary thing and their desirable candidate (due to bradary, province, sect, etc) ruling country is most important.

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Thanks for your input on the issue. Sindh is the major producer of Gas and Oil. These are extracted from rural Sindh. But the majority of population of rural Sindh is living worse poverty level than Baluchistan. Why???? Why the Federal governments extracted so much from Sindh and in return Sindh is deprived of any benefit to these poor people?? It is a shame. This injustice done to the people of Sindh will bring further distintigration.

Thanks to this PPPP government that they have passed 18th Amendment at least recognizing the priority of provinces who produce oil and gas. PPP has done great service to the people of Sindh.

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Let Sindh be allowed to control its Oil and Gas, it can import wheat from US, Canada or even from India. If this is done Sindh can become another Singapur, Hongkong or Malysia.

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Don’t you know why???? Well ... here is the answer:

Those who like to keep their slaves under control, exploit them, and make them serve as obedient servants do not feed well, educate, or provide their slaves good living, else slaves would take food, education, and good living as granted and could even revolt against their masters if they sense exploited. People in rural Sindh are mentally slaves who are made by their feudal masters to serve them with votes in election, labour at houses, or field workers (‘haris’) in fields, and that happens regardless of their feudal masters throw bones to them or not. So what you expect for rural Sindh other than poverty, deprivation, shame, humiliation, and hunger?

The day rural sindh would come out of the shackle of feudal lords and start electing people from amongst them irrespective of colour, cast, sect or religion, just on basis of their hard work and ability to serve, poor of Sindh would get all what they deserve.

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That is another problem. The awareness in people is comming slowly. There are lots of children of farmers who are very well educated and working professionally. A time will come when this disperity will vanish. Here I am talking about responsibility of Federal Government to its people according to constitution. When government takes full advantage of resources of province, why its benefit is not reaching to these poor people?

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Bhai Saab..

We need to have a national approach if we want to go anywhere as a viable country. The right interpretation of the 18th constitutional amendment is needed in this scenario. It's not some sort of war between Sind/Punjab.. Punjab has 60% population with young generation coming in the job market every year, You can not have a situation that the industrial growth of 60% of the country comes to a complete halt because we are not able to put a rational energy policy. The 18th constitutional amendment gives priority to the provinces on natural resources not produce. Natural resource of Sind is gas for which Sind should get a fair price. That would be the fair interpretation of the amendment.. Electricity produced through captive plants through subsidized gas is not a natural resource.. and hardly gives any benefit to poor masses of Sind.

1) Read the post of Sachaydinho. What's the use of Sind gas for poor masses of Sind. Why we have to put a loot sale of Sind gas for the big industrialist of the country both in Punjab and Sind. Wouldn't it be more logical if wellhead prices for gas are increased and Sind government can have more revenue from their gas which can be spent on poor masses of specially rural Sind. Why we have to give this gas to big industrialist of Karachi to produce electricity from their captive power plants at Rs. 4.5/unit through this loot sale of Sind gas.

2) The biggest criminal in all this affair was our illegal president Musharraf who allowed captive power plants. Presently 27% of the gas is being used by industry. 90% of this 27% is being used in captive power plants all over the country. Why Musharraf allowed these gas operated captive power plants to be installed by the industry and why he allowed cheap gas for large scale industry through captive power plants.

3) If we divert some of the gas from fertilizer and captive plants to IPPs producing electricity for national grid.. it will ensure end of load shedding for whole of the country not only Sind/Punjab. Let's give electricity to everyone in the country for Rs 12 per unit. Ensure fair returns to Sind for their natural resource gas so Sind can uplift poor masses in rural Sind. It's a win win situation for everyone. It will restart industrialization in Punjab (60% of Pakistan)...

4) Even in Karachi small/medium scale industry is suffering due to load shedding. They do not have captive power plants and their energy cost is 18/20 Rupees per unit when they use stand by diesel generators for 8 hours. A stable supply from KESC without load shedding will benefit this huge employment generation segment.

Bottom line is the gas must to be diverted to IPPs, load shedding all over the country should stop... Diesel prices should be brought down.. wellhead prices for the producers of gas should be increased.. Fertilizer/captive plant subsidies should be brought down significantly.. With these measures people trying to set up new industries will be encouraged. Every region of the country will uplift with these measures.. not only sind or Punjab..

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They are not doing service to the people of Sindh.. they are doing service to fertilizer producers and captive plant operators who pay huge commissions to them. They could have easily put a rational to the energy policy in the country.. and by increasing the well-head price could have actually done something for the poor rural Sindhi masses whom you rightly pointed out are worse off than Baluchistan people. Alas they did nothing for these people in last 4 years.The poor Sindhi peasants who were displaced by floods and are still living in pathetic situation could not pay huge commissions to your Sindhi boss who left them in the middle of the flood water to check his French chateau in Manoir de la Reine Blanche..

http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2010\08\04\story_4-8-2010_pg7_32

President visits French chateau

MESNIL-LIEUBRAY: President Asif Ali Zardari visited his family’s stately home in the French countryside on Tuesday.

A French Air Force helicopter deposited Zardari in the grounds of the Manoir de la Reine Blanche (Manor of the White Queen) for a two-hour stopover in the 16th-century chateau, built for the widow of King Philippe VI. Journalists were kept at a distance from the elegant property, which is surrounded by five acres of lakes and wooded parkland and is listed on France’s register of historically significant monuments. The house has belonged to Zardari’s family for 24 years and the president’s father, Hakim Ali Zardari, is a regular summer visitor. “He’s a neighbour with whom we have excellent relations,” said local mayor Jerome Grisel, who owns a farm immediately adjoining the estate. afp

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Bhai Yazdi: When bread on table start getting reduced or when corruption and nepotism starts showing in society then brothers start fighting brothers and ‘sprite of sharing and tolerating’ dies. In such situation people start talking about mine and theirs. Cure for such evil in a country is to economically grow fast, stopping corruption and stopping disease of nepotism.

As for problems in rural sindh, it is nothing to do with shortage of funds/resources. There problems can only get solved when people in interior Sindh would stop giving votes to feudal landlords and start electing people from amongst themselves who are socially and economically like them. When feudal landlords become their representatives they steal all funds/resources meant for their constituencies, and like to keep their voters deprived, exploited and hungry (actually, in most cases, it is the one they elect do most atrocities on them and keep them deprived and exploited). So, regardless of what happens to oil, coal, gas or other natural resources, situation of interior Sindh would never change until people change themselves by electing right representatives.

As for electricity, there is no shortage of electricity in Pakistan. Only problem is funds that is needed to clear debts and initiate generation of electricity. Unfortunately, even if present government would have funds, it is unlikely they would spend it to increase electricity generation as they prefer to steal those funds than use it to ease electricity problem in the country.

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Bhai thanks for your political sermon to a highly technical issue..

MNAs/MPAs elected from the rural constituencies of rural Sindh do not buy this gas at dirt cheap prices to run the captive power/fertilizer plants. Mainly this exploitation is being done by powerful industrialist lobbies hailing from karachi/Punjab. This policy was started by illegal President Musharraf.. and continued by our present Sindhi boss who is getting his due share to continue with this policy.

So called Feudal land lords from rural Sindh who are attached to agriculture sector and are so much hated by you are paying nearly Rs. 100/ per liter for diesel and Rs. 1600 per bag for the fertilizer which are their main inputs..

It's not a question of mine or their.. it's a question about right or wrong..